BSA r10 shooting 50 metre targets

[rossi_j 99]

Nice shooting si, impressive,

One thing I know now witch I didnt before is that I never realised diffent coulour bottle tops will roost together.

.atb. .ste.

[Sweeney-Todd 208]

Nice shooting si, impressive,

One thing I know now witch I didnt before is that I never realised diffent coulour bottle tops will roost together.

.atb. .ste.

 

 

 

[wayney 1]

Thanks for the reply phantom and yes that's very impressive shooting.

[zini 1,939]

Funny fecker Ste LOL .

 

Bill don't egg him on any more buddy .

 

These are the lesser spotted coloured Fellowship bottle tops only found in Germany buddy .

 

They sit in groups of 3 and wait to be shot by real hunters using a real mans rifle, a r10 .

 

Many have tried with their other brands of rifle but to no avail .

 

There not on the UK vermin register yet buddy so you will just have to wait to try and kill 3 of them .

 

ATB

 

Si

Edited December 14, 2010 by zini

[zini 1,939]

Hi Wayney,

 

The power of my r10 changes if I change pellet brands .

 

At the moment I use RWS Super Fields which are dedadly in the r10 .

 

The power also changes between Summer and Winter very slightly but not much at all, we are only talking points of a ft/lb .

 

Here is a profile that I made for my r10 using RWS Super Field pellets .

 

Air rifle profile

 

Scope type = Hawke Airmax 6-18x44 AO with the SR 12 reticle

 

Scope magnification = x14

 

Scope above centre of barrel = 4.445 cm

 

Rifle type = BSA r10

 

Zero range = 25m

 

Pellet type = RWS Super Fields

 

Pellet weight = 15.98 grain

 

BC = 0.0283

 

Rifle velocity = 576.26 f/s or 175.5 m/s

 

Rifle power = 11.726 Ft/lbs

 

Pellet stays within a 2.5cm kill zone from 6.3m to 28.65m (PBR)

 

First aim point is 10m second 25m

 

Laser above barrel centre = 8.5cm

 

Laser 1st zero point = 10m and 2nd zero point = 45m

 

Cheers

 

Si

Edited December 14, 2010 by zini

[pianoman 3,587]

Ahh There's nothing like the good old .177 versus .22 debate..except the Spring rifle versus Pre-Charged debate!

 

You know, I kind of liken this sport to the way of our noble ancestors who shot with longbow and crossbow. They must have had the same arguments too over the goblets of Mead and ale!

 

""LONGBOW! Crossy!! Bolt!! Four-Fletched arrow!! Fleshcutter!! Roundpoint!!! BODKIN!!!!""

 

Of course both pellet calibres are just as accurate as the other, just as decisive as the other. I actually love the fact that a really well sorted .22 spring rifle in experienced hands, will flatten a PCP for accuracy in the hands of a novice to average shot. The point here is, the gear we have today; rifles, pellets and scopes or iron sights, is all superbly accurate stuff; it's up to us as shooters to get the very best we can out of it -and that means working hard to get the best out of ourselves.

 

It's not in what action or calibre you choose to shoot with. It's how well YOU can shoot with it....or not! They are really just well made precision tools that require a bit of dedication and discipline on our part to get the most out of them.

 

If you can cut more and shape better with knife, than a chisel, use a knife!

 

I shoot very accurately with my spring rifles today because I grew up shooting nothing else, and I won't be the only one among our numbers here. Springers were all we had but, they were not a poor show by today's standards. And the keenness to learn and shoot well made progressive practice a pleasure.

 

And a scope! My God, that was unheard of on an air rifle in my teens!

 

As for accuracy of calibre; I found it took an awful lot of patient practice and perseverance to be able to reliably hit a target accurately and consistently with my .177 TX200HC after so long shooting with Weihrauch .22. I had to completely readapt all I had learned and refine my technique before the .177 groups shrank to a comparatively equal size with my .22 ones. Forget hunting with it! Now I can reach for either calibre and get a successful hunting trip with it, but it certainly wasn't so before a lot of hard work and headscratching took place.

 

With the larger calibre nowadays, I've got to a stage where I can very accurately judge my .22 trajectory instinctively with a 30/30 Duplex reticle scope to quite considerable ranges.

But, the .177 round, while being flatter-shooting, needs a higher, narrower degree of centre-to-centre concentration on the reticle or you will miss by a mile if you try to apply the same degrees of hold over/under that .22 has taught you for long range precision. It is thanks to the progressive devellopement of scope technology that I've found myself losing the skills I had with open-sight shooting . Now I try to revive that skill and practice open sight shooting whenever I can. I'm comfy up to 25 yards with that, but I used to accurately shoot a good 10 yards further.

 

Precision Accuracy in all honesty, I think, lies a lot more in our attitude to learning smartly from the experience and skills of others and the degree of willingness to adapt what we learn and train hard and discipline ourselves with what we have at our disposal, than perhaps is given honest consideration to. A real lot more.

 

Nice bit of shooting there Si by the way mate!

 

Simon

Edited December 14, 2010 by pianoman

[zini 1,939]

Nice post there Simon buddy,

 

I’m still sure that you are either a vicar or a philosopher though mate .

 

On a serious note pal, I couldn’t agree with you more buddy.

 

You try and shoot a .177 at a range, further than your normal zero range after being a accurate .22 calibre shot at all ranges and you will probably miss the target and go way over the top of the target until you practice with the .177 and calibrate the scopes mil dots to the flatter parabolic trajectory.

 

From the other side of the fence, if you go straight to .177 and learn to shoot with the smaller calibre then try and shoot a .22 at range you will also have huge problem, bigger problems that with starting off with a .22.

 

For a start you will shoot way low at range and secondly you will have more 5 metres intervals to learn and memorise.

 

The reason I say this is with a

 

.22 zeroed at 25 metres,

 

At 5 metres you will have to apply hold over (not hold under as some think).

 

Between 12 and 24 metres you will need to apply hold under at different amounts to be accurate.

 

Between 26 and 55 metres you will need to apply hold over at different amounts to be accurate.

 

All these ranges you need to know in 5 metres intervals instinctively.

 

.177 zeroed at 30 metres,

 

At 5 to 9 metres you will need to apply hold over as with a .22.

 

Between 11 and say 36 metres you can aim on the cross hair to be pretty accurate and get a humane kill on vermin, where you would miss at some ranges with a .22 (fact).

 

After say 36 metres then you would have to know your hold over points to be accurate.

 

Si

Edited December 14, 2010 by zini

[zini 1,939]

Sorry forgot to say Simon buddy,

 

What’s a 30/30 Duplex reticule scope?

 

You living in the ice age vicar?

 

Get with the in crowd and the times pal and start seeing the benefits of a mildot or a specialised reticule (SR)

 

ATB

 

Si

[rossi_j 99]

Sorry forgot to say Simon buddy,

 

What’s a 30/30 Duplex reticule scope?

 

You living in the ice age vicar?

 

Get with the in crowd and the times pal and start seeing the benefits of a mildot or a specialised reticule (SR)

 

ATB

 

Si

 

Hey si as you have said yourself, "if it works for you"

I have found myself moving away from a target to a known zero using a duplex scope lol, I dident work out hold over/under bk then just used to move aroun myself to suit lol

.atb. .ste.

 

Back a bit, forward a bit,

. . . . . . . . .

WHACK!

Should have seen me with windage ha ha

Edited December 14, 2010 by rossi_j

[zini 1,939]

Yep me two Ste buddy.

 

For years I used a 30/30 ret and then tried a mildot.

 

At first I couldn't see what the hyp was about until I worked out how to calibrate them myself and since then I've never looked back.

 

The one thing you can guarantee with a self calibrated mildot ret If done correctly is accuracy at all the airgun hunting ranges out to 55 metres.

 

I'm not knocking Simon though pal, my comment was just a joke and a bit if banter between us both.

 

If the man can use them and is happy with that type of ret then fair play to him I say.

 

Si

[rossi_j 99]

Mill dots are the way forward, I have used duplex befor but wouldent consider getting another one anytime soon having seen the advantages and accuracy, but at the end of the day shooting shooting with a duplex you are still using mill dot principles just in your head not your reticle, if you get that down to a tee then that is a skill in its own right. ( I Doubt id ever manage it )

 

Si, I knew you were joking mate

Just waiding in with my 2p peices.

.atb. .ste.

[zini 1,939]

Ok no problems mate.

 

I found when using a 30/30 ret instead of looking and guessing where on the vertical post to aim that if you thought in terms of cm above the target area at different ranges it works better.

 

I.e from a 25 metre zero at a 35 metre target in .22 calibre aim say 3 cm above the centre of the kill zone to hit the kill zone nicely.

 

It did work for me mate most of the time but as you also said I couldn't always get it off to a T every time.

 

Better %'s with a mildot and even better with a SR ret.

 

You ever used a SR ret buddy? It makes life do much easier and some may say makes shooting too easy with no challenge involved.

 

Si

[rossi_j 99]

I havent used one in anger mate but put a couple of shots through davy's mtc scope and from what people ar saying it may be on the cards mate

A whole 10pts behind davys pb on the hft, got to narrow the gap before the meet , do you have any recomendations on witch scopes for me to have a look at, wil only want to spend around 50 quid tho mate.

.atb. .ste.

 

Edited to say maybe it was steves scope (memory fails me again)

Edited December 14, 2010 by rossi_j

[zini 1,939]

Not sure about a SR ret for that price buddy.

 

A standard Hawke 6-18*44 SR12 like mine is now £107 has they have gone up in price now mate.

 

You thought about a MAP reticule?

 

Hawke MAP Pro 3-9*50.

 

I used to use one and Shay still uses the one I sold him.

 

Good scopes and takes out the guess work buddy.

 

£59 ish.

 

Si

[rossi_j 99]

I thaught that may be the case mate, iv not long got the nikko scopes and are doing the job for me at the mo, but wil bear them in mind as my shooting improves, at the moment its me rather than the scopes that is holding me back lol

.atb mate. .ste.