rob190364 2,594 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 You're missing my point if anything....what does it add to the whippet? slows it down...anything else? Yes it wont be as fast as todays racing whippets but doe`s it really need to be? no you asked what can a manchester terrier offer to a lurcher. Lets look at the long past years. why did dog breeders of years long now past, cross whippets to terriers or in this case manchester terriers , The Old English Black & Tan : fell terrier to whippets? for Agility , Good bone, Good feet, and stamina, or just to add speed to a working terrier, Both I would say. if we tryed looking back to the early whippets and asked our self whats really in this dogs make up. DNA ? Then look back at the manchester terrier and ask the same thing about its DNA ? Now we can see why the kennel club call them the manchester terrier there was so many being bred around manchester. Its truely the ideal base for a good obedient working lurcher! You're not on about old working terriers though, you're on about a KC manchester terrier that's now bordering on being a toy breed IMO....you might aswell cross a minature poodle to a whippet. You're obviously into your manchester terriers, which is fine, but I'm just not convinced it adding a KC manchester terrier to a lurcher adds anything positive. Here's a question for you then.....do you think that a manchester terrier x whippet would outperform a whippet, beddy whippet or a JRT x whippet in any aspect of hunting? TBH, the only reason I can think of for someone wanting that cross is that they like the idea of a black and tan whippet and they're basing the breeding purely on looks. Quote Link to post
Cross-Line 0 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 You're missing my point if anything....what does it add to the whippet? slows it down...anything else? Yes it wont be as fast as todays racing whippets but doe`s it really need to be? no you asked what can a manchester terrier offer to a lurcher. Lets look at the long past years. why did dog breeders of years long now past, cross whippets to terriers or in this case manchester terriers , The Old English Black & Tan : fell terrier to whippets? for Agility , Good bone, Good feet, and stamina, or just to add speed to a working terrier, Both I would say. if we tryed looking back to the early whippets and asked our self whats really in this dogs make up. DNA ? Then look back at the manchester terrier and ask the same thing about its DNA ? Now we can see why the kennel club call them the manchester terrier there was so many being bred around manchester. Its truely the ideal base for a good obedient working lurcher! You're not on about old working terriers though, you're on about a KC manchester terrier that's now bordering on being a toy breed IMO....you might aswell cross a minature poodle to a whippet. You're obviously into your manchester terriers, which is fine, but I'm just not convinced it adding a KC manchester terrier to a lurcher adds anything positive. Here's a question for you then.....do you think that a manchester terrier x whippet would outperform a whippet, beddy whippet or a JRT x whippet in any aspect of hunting? TBH, the only reason I can think of for someone wanting that cross is that they like the idea of a black and tan whippet and they're basing the breeding purely on looks. Funny but here we are back at the start I wanted to breed a good worker which didn`t look like your average "lurcher to the public", my old lurcher was 21" saluki greyhound x bedlington whippet, truely the best lurcher mix I`ve ever had for hare rabbit and pheasant. The manchester terrier. Is truely the ideal base for what i wanted to achieve in a working dog or lurcher! Quote Link to post
rob190364 2,594 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 You're missing my point if anything....what does it add to the whippet? slows it down...anything else? Yes it wont be as fast as todays racing whippets but doe`s it really need to be? no you asked what can a manchester terrier offer to a lurcher. Lets look at the long past years. why did dog breeders of years long now past, cross whippets to terriers or in this case manchester terriers , The Old English Black & Tan : fell terrier to whippets? for Agility , Good bone, Good feet, and stamina, or just to add speed to a working terrier, Both I would say. if we tryed looking back to the early whippets and asked our self whats really in this dogs make up. DNA ? Then look back at the manchester terrier and ask the same thing about its DNA ? Now we can see why the kennel club call them the manchester terrier there was so many being bred around manchester. Its truely the ideal base for a good obedient working lurcher! You're not on about old working terriers though, you're on about a KC manchester terrier that's now bordering on being a toy breed IMO....you might aswell cross a minature poodle to a whippet. You're obviously into your manchester terriers, which is fine, but I'm just not convinced it adding a KC manchester terrier to a lurcher adds anything positive. Here's a question for you then.....do you think that a manchester terrier x whippet would outperform a whippet, beddy whippet or a JRT x whippet in any aspect of hunting? TBH, the only reason I can think of for someone wanting that cross is that they like the idea of a black and tan whippet and they're basing the breeding purely on looks. Funny but here we are back at the start I wanted to breed a good worker which didn`t look like your average "lurcher to the public", my old lurcher was 21" saluki greyhound x bedlington whippet, truely the best lurcher mix I`ve ever had for hare rabbit and pheasant. The manchester terrier. Is truely the ideal base for what i wanted to achieve in a working dog or lurcher! this is what I'm asking though bud, you're saying the manchester terrier is the ideal base on what you want to achieve.....so all you want to achieve is a lurcher that doesn't look like a lurcher? is that what you're saying? no other requirements? Quote Link to post
BULL 96 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 So a whip x Manc terrier Going by the mixing of named dogs breed i.e whirrer, grew ,etc Surely that would make this x a whank terrier if I'm not mistaken sounds good to me . Oh and good luck for the future With that pack of whankers 1 Quote Link to post
rob190364 2,594 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 So a whip x Manc terrier Going by the mixing of named dogs breed i.e whirrer, grew ,etc Surely that would make this x a whank terrier if I'm not mistaken sounds good to me . Oh and good luck for the future With that pack of whankers :laugh: Quote Link to post
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 So a whip x Manc terrier Going by the mixing of named dogs breed i.e whirrer, grew ,etc Surely that would make this x a whank terrier if I'm not mistaken sounds good to me . Oh and good luck for the future With that pack of whankers :laugh: Quote Link to post
Cross-Line 0 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Have I got a clue..Lol Not all that blow the horn on here are Hunters, or know anything about dogs and geneoligy My dog is not a kc dog by a long way, if you look at the breeding..End of story. Quote Link to post
rob190364 2,594 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Have I got a clue..Lol Not all that blow the horn on here are Hunters, or know anything about dogs and geneoligy My dog is not a kc dog by a long way, if you look at the breeding..End of story. You're failure to answer my question speaks volumes! Quote Link to post
chartpolski 23,670 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 The modern Manchester Terrier has absolutely nothing to add to Lurcher breeding.......... and anyone crossing a Manchester Terrier with a Whippet is simply spoiling the Whippet blood ! A useless cross that will be good for nothing. Cheers. 1 Quote Link to post
Cross-Line 0 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Cant speaks volumes on dogs I havent tryed, but lets try and rate some which I have tryed over the years. Collie/greyhound : good for rabbits, but bad feet. 4 out of 10 Bedlington : rabbit and ratting to small really. 4 out of 10 Whippet : good for rabbets but short winded and a whiner . 5 out of 10 Greyhound/whippet : fast but a real puller and whiner. 4 out of 10 1/4Deerhour 3/4greyhound : good alround but big. 8 out of 10 whippet/saluki : good for what it was bred for hair dog 7 out of 10 saluki greyhound x bedlington whippet..Best so far 10 out of 10 saluki greyhound bedlington whippet x manchester terrier . first cross came out a bit small at only 19" rabbit & fox 5 out of 10 Well I think that will do on lurchers! Quote Link to post
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Cant speaks volumes on dogs I havent tryed, but lets try and rate some which I have tryed over the years. Collie/greyhound : good for rabbits, but bad feet. 4 out of 10 Bedlington : rabbit and ratting to small really. 4 out of 10 Whippet : good for rabbets but short winded and a whiner . 5 out of 10 Greyhound/whippet : fast but a real puller and whiner. 4 out of 10 1/4Deerhour 3/4greyhound : good alround but big. 8 out of 10 whippet/saluki : good for what it was bred for hair dog 7 out of 10 saluki greyhound x bedlington whippet..Best so far 10 out of 10 saluki greyhound bedlington whippet x manchester terrier . first cross came out a bit small at only 19" rabbit & fox 5 out of 10 Well I think that will do on lurchers! Why the feck are you putting a useless breed like a manchester terrier into a 10/10 dog !! Quote Link to post
hedz31 1,308 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Ive heard of some daft ventures with lurcher breeding and this would be up there with them Quote Link to post
rob190364 2,594 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Cant speaks volumes on dogs I havent tryed, but lets try and rate some which I have tryed over the years. Collie/greyhound : good for rabbits, but bad feet. 4 out of 10 Bedlington : rabbit and ratting to small really. 4 out of 10 Whippet : good for rabbets but short winded and a whiner . 5 out of 10 Greyhound/whippet : fast but a real puller and whiner. 4 out of 10 1/4Deerhour 3/4greyhound : good alround but big. 8 out of 10 whippet/saluki : good for what it was bred for hair dog 7 out of 10 saluki greyhound x bedlington whippet..Best so far 10 out of 10 saluki greyhound bedlington whippet x manchester terrier . first cross came out a bit small at only 19" rabbit & fox 5 out of 10 Well I think that will do on lurchers! does anyone else know what the f'ckin hell he's going on about? you said the manchester terrier is "the ideal base for a lurcher", you were asked what could that dog possibly add to the mix, you didn't answer and then started rating the dogs that you've had in the past, most of which are shit......says more about the owner than the dog maybe? but anyway, why the manchester terrier, what's the point?. Quote Link to post
rob190364 2,594 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Ive heard of some daft ventures with lurcher breeding and this would be up there with them he should team up with that pillock that was making the ultimate bushing dog out of the poodle last year (who disappeared off the face of the earth). between them they'd be the pest controlling version of the A team (but in this case the A would stand for arse ) Quote Link to post
trenchfoot 4,243 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 If that's what you want to do and are so convinced the pups will turn out perfect, get on with it. Considering the amount of back flack you are receiving, how do you intend to deal with the rest of the litter, because by the sounds of it not many on THL would have one 1 Quote Link to post
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