breeding silver to bew

[ferreterno1 0]

this topic has come up in conversation alot recently and nobody realy knows the answer so i would like to know is it ok to put a silver to a black eyed white?

ps.

their totally unrelated

[gnipper 6,435]

I got told not to mate as a silver is the same as a bew just has markings. Supposed to be dodgy like breeding merle to merle where you get problems although i bred silver to silver without any problems before i'd heard about it but most of the kits were poleys.

Gnipper

[witton 6]

You wont have any problems, just go for it a ferrets a ferret it doenst matter what color they are.

David

[Guest Magwitch]

You wont have any problems, just go for it a ferrets a ferret it doenst matter what color they are.

David

can you explain a bit more as you seem to be quite knowledgable about genetics from your reply

have a look at this not sure if its any good but you have to sign up with yahoo ferret genetics

Edited January 4, 2007 by Magwitch

[The Ferret Tamer 1]

Sorry folk's but Gnipper has got it right, the only answer to this is NO!

 

The silver colouring is the result of a defective gene in the ferrets make up and putting silver to silver/ bew only reinforces the problem.

Worst case scenario is a form of cerebral palsy and believe me the results are highly unpleasant.....

At best it causes a severely shortened life span and/or joint deformities.

 

I went into this subject some years ago with a geneticist at Oxford University and the results were interesting to say the least.

Some of you older ferreters may remember a guy by the name of Les White from up the North East and this was one of his pet subjects which we once discussed at great length one day at a ferret show, the result of which only confirmed what i already knew............

 

Which is DON'T DO IT!

 

Regards FT

East Coast Ferret Rescue.

 

Ps of course there will always be exceptions and the kits will be Ok but the chances of this are slim to say the least.

[beagles 0]

what about sandy ferret over a silver ferret???

[Kay 3,709]

I woudnt breed silver to silver or to a black eyed white which i think is basically the same.

[Coneytrappr 30]

I wouldn't put Silver to BEW mate. Ye'll end up getting Waardenburg's in your stock and you don't want that at all.

Like putting Merle to Merle, just don't do it.

 

Witton, what a fecking stupid thing to say.

[Kay 3,709]

I wouldn't put Silver to BEW mate. Ye'll end up getting Waardenburg's in your stock and you don't want that at all.

Like putting Merle to Merle, just don't do it.

 

Witton, what a fecking stupid thing to say.

 

Thanks Coneytrapper i was going to mention waardenburg's but i wasnt sure if it applied to silvers , i did hae a look on a site last night as i thought it only affected ferrets with white patches like the ferrets we see with the marbled markings on them , but i am gald you brought it up & i believe its linked to deafness like lots of other animals who are predoninantly white

 

 

I think this answers my question

 

Waardenburg's Syndrome

 

Ferrets with a white stripe on their face or a fully white head, primarily blazes, badgers, and pandas, almost certainly carry a congenital defect known as Waardenburg's Syndrome. This causes, among other things, a cranial deformation in the womb which broadens the skull, causing the white face markings, but also partial or total deafness. It is estimated as many as 3/4ths of ferrets with visible Waardenburg signs (pandas, blazes) are deaf. Beyond that, the cranial deformation also causes a higher instance of stillborn ferret kits, and occasionally cleft palates. Because of this, many breeders will not breed Waardenburg-patterned ferrets.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You wont have any problems, just go for it a ferrets a ferret it doenst matter what color they are.

David

can you explain a bit more as you seem to be quite knowledgable about genetics from your reply

have a look at this not sure if its any good but you have to sign up with yahoo ferret genetics

 

The ferrets genetics site is very good

 

 

what about sandy ferret over a silver ferret???

 

Does the colour of the ferret have any baring on the animals ability to work, or is it just that you have silvers & sandys ?

 

 

Sorry folk's but Gnipper has got it right, the only answer to this is NO!

 

The silver colouring is the result of a defective gene in the ferrets make up and putting silver to silver/ bew only reinforces the problem.

Worst case scenario is a form of cerebral palsy and believe me the results are highly unpleasant.....

At best it causes a severely shortened life span and/or joint deformities.

 

I went into this subject some years ago with a geneticist at Oxford University and the results were interesting to say the least.

Some of you older ferreters may remember a guy by the name of Les White from up the North East and this was one of his pet subjects which we once discussed at great length one day at a ferret show, the result of which only confirmed what i already knew............

 

Which is DON'T DO IT!

 

Regards FT

East Coast Ferret Rescue.

 

Ps of course there will always be exceptions and the kits will be Ok but the chances of this are slim to say

the least.

 

Lez White did a peice in the Countrymans weekly in the 90's on the subject of breeding silver to silver as i recall & if i remember correctly he said it produces a ''lethal gene''

[Crow 1]

Mated silver to silver without a single problem other than they seem to throw a lot of hobs! Albinos, silvers, sandies and polecats have all resulted from such matings.

 

Many people liken the silver to the merle, but I'm afraid I don't belong to this line of thought! Merle dogs often have 'wall eyes' (a sign of the merle gene) but I've yet to see anything different about silver ferrets than their colour!

 

I went into this subject some years ago with a geneticist at Oxford University and the results were interesting to say the least.

I'd be interested to read any data you have Edited January 5, 2007 by Crow

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

What nobody has failed to mention is that of RECESSIVE GENES .That is to say ,how is the silver bred or the black eyed white .If they come from true breeding parents[those that throw only that colour ]then the chances of deformities are higher when bred to a ferret of similar breeding but a different colour.IE-as you say ,a bew to a silver mit .These two ferret colourations are misfits really ,bred from a chance breeding off two normal coloured ferrets ,some time ago .These original parents had genetic defects ,affecting the colouration which we found attractive .The problem lies in that the colouration wasnt the only defect and includes deafness,premature death,prolapse,joint problems as well as those listed on the previous posts.There are colours breeding true that are ,through selective breeding ,free from defects but unless you have spent big money on your ferret or had DNA taken,you are unlikely to guarantee this.

However ,breeding a silver or a bew to an TRUE breeding albino or polecat will effectivly water the genes down to produce healthy young .[hybrid vigour]The resulting young from such a mating will be !/3 of the recessive genes and roughly that in coluration .IE-out of 10 kits ,3 will be bew or silver .These in turn put back to whites or polecats will de diluted further but the colour will show in successive generations .

If I was you I'd go for the second option which will still give you the odd colour you desire but do away with associated problems .If the ferrets you have are the result of this breeding then it would be safe to breed together but that is often not known .PS Hope this is not too confusing .

Edited January 5, 2007 by foxdropper

[Kay 3,709]

What nobody has failed to mention is that of RECESSIVE GENES .That is to say ,how is the silver bred or the black eyed white .If they come from true breeding parents[those that throw only that colour ]then the chances of deformities are higher when bred to a ferret of similar breeding but a different colour.IE-as you say ,a bew to a silver mit .These two ferret colourations are misfits really ,bred from a chance breeding off two normal coloured ferrets ,some time ago .These original parents had genetic defects ,affecting the colouration which we found attractive .The problem lies in that the colouration wasnt the only defect and includes deafness,premature death,prolapse,joint problems as well as those listed on the previous posts.There are colours breeding true that are ,through selective breeding ,free from defects but unless you have spent big money on your ferret or had DNA taken,you are unlikely to guarantee this.

However ,breeding a silver or a bew to an TRUE breeding albino or polecat will effectivly water the genes down to produce healthy young .[hybrid vigour]The resulting young from such a mating will be !/3 of the recessive genes and roughly that in coluration .IE-out of 10 kits ,3 will be bew or silver .These in turn put back to whites or polecats will de diluted further but the colour will show in successive generations .

If I was you I'd go for the second option which will still give you the odd colour you desire but do away with associated problems .If the ferrets you have are the result of this breeding then it would be safe to breed together but that is often not known .PS Hope this is not too confusing .

 

 

Great post thanks

[ferreterno1 0]

.PS Hope this is not too confusing .

 

 

lol thanks for the help people if i decide to breed her i will my silver jill to my polecat

[bunnyboy 0]

this topic has come up in conversation alot recently and nobody realy knows the answer so i would like to know is it ok to put a silver to a black eyed white?

ps.

their totally unrelated

 

The Silver and the BEW genes are both the same, the silver is how this ferret started off and in his next year he was DEW or BEW

 

You wont have any problems, just go for it a ferrets a ferret it doenst matter what color they are.

David

can you explain a bit more as you seem to be quite knowledgable about genetics from your reply

have a look at this not sure if its any good but you have to sign up with yahoo ferret genetics

 

Yep you can get some help on the ferret genstics site.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

[The Silver and the BEW genes are both the same, the silver is how this ferret started off and in his next year he was DEW or BEW]

 

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey.Explain this in finer detail mate .I'm no stranger to genetics but this leaves me bewildered

The genes of whites and polecats are different.The bew is closer to the white albino than the polecat ferret and the silver has polecat blueprint ,just different colour.

Edited January 7, 2007 by foxdropper