barraboy 28 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Lets throw this into the mix, what does a gundog actually do that is so hard and that a well bred lurcher is incapable of??. Find game, I would expect a lurcher to find game.. Flush game, as above but obviously is required to catch it rather than flush it . Drop to shot my lurchers did or rather could if that's what I wished..My preference would be that they pinned it before it went anywhere, obviously not a desirable trait in a gundog. Retrieve, again a quality I would insist on in a lurcher, and wouldn't tax a well bred lurcher.. .The debate could go on forever, for every wayward useless lurcher I've seen, I've seen a gundog the same, we've came full circle here, so a question to any gundog owner, what do you actually think a gundog could do that a well bred lurcher couldn't??. Swim out 100yards in tidal water on a stormy freezing cold december morning and retrieve geese and ducks Could do, I've a lab here no bigger or chunkier than a lot of collie greyhounds, her coats no denser, so we should assume she's not capable of doing it. I reckon a lurcher could probably do it, after all plenty of springers work on the marsh albeit most in neoprene jackets. guess it depends on how well it would cope with the weather and the cold, can it do seven morning evening flights in succession, the labs double coat is what gives it the edge in wildfowling if a labs lacking that then yeah maybe it'll feel the cold more too. wont stop it working it just might not cope so well sat in a muddy gutter at -5 or less after its had a few swims. who knows dogs can do mysterious things. lurcher should always beat a gundog in a simple scurry and ive often seen them divided into two categories , they're only a bit of fun unless your talking the Mitsubishi stuff and they exclude non-gundogs. just pick the dog your happy with and be content at that. Quote Link to post
ftm 3,357 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 very very good natured banter with this thread lads god knows what would have happened had this been on the lurcher section :hmm: Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 very very good natured banter with this thread lads god knows what would have happened had this been on the lurcher section :hmm: be all chest thumping and show us your bullx :laugh: :laugh: 1 Quote Link to post
Lab 10,979 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Well you would definitely owe me a pint ..... The pub I dunno depends how my bitch is on the day and how fat your labs are OL ..... Pretty much your bog standard big fat pet labs mate.................. LOL then you owe me a pub Lol ........ Probably should have explained before what pub i had lined up for you.................... 1 Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Well you would definitely owe me a pint ..... The pub I dunno depends how my bitch is on the day and how fat your labs are OL ..... Pretty much your bog standard big fat pet labs mate.................. LOL then you owe me a pub Lol ........ Probably should have explained before what pub i had lined up for you.................... Lol I better dig out my ass less chaps ............. Quote Link to post
The Duncan 802 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Best thread in ages Quote Link to post
danw 1,748 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Lets throw this into the mix, what does a gundog actually do that is so hard and that a well bred lurcher is incapable of??. Find game, I would expect a lurcher to find game.. Flush game, as above but obviously is required to catch it rather than flush it . Drop to shot my lurchers did or rather could if that's what I wished..My preference would be that they pinned it before it went anywhere, obviously not a desirable trait in a gundog. Retrieve, again a quality I would insist on in a lurcher, and wouldn't tax a well bred lurcher.. .The debate could go on forever, for every wayward useless lurcher I've seen, I've seen a gundog the same, we've came full circle here, so a question to any gundog owner, what do you actually think a gundog could do that a well bred lurcher couldn't??. But theres nobody here saying the lurcher is uesless, its use lads trying to push saying the lurcher is as good as a Lab/Spaniel at Gundog work when thats incorrect. I reckon a Lurcher couldn't go deep back into a wood to look for an injured bird without the owner worrying a deer pops up and its gets coursed across the field infront of a load of guns, i've yet to see any lurcher that works hand signals like a proper gundog( not seen it but wont dismiss it cant be done), i think a lurcher w hereould struggle wildfowling at freezing temps', i've yet to see a lurcher that bashes brambles aside like they are not there and i'm yet to see a soft mouthed one on feather game.................. come down here. i agree on a few bits of the above post however i can disprove the bramble,hand signals and the soft mouthed bits and ive done the lurcher chasing deer and fox infront of the guns bit :laugh: feeeeenton If you fancy it I am more than happy to put on a rough day next season for you and lab so we can prove it either way , we where to be shown how much better lurchers are than gundogs this past season but stewie bottled it Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Lets throw this into the mix, what does a gundog actually do that is so hard and that a well bred lurcher is incapable of??. Find game, I would expect a lurcher to find game.. Flush game, as above but obviously is required to catch it rather than flush it . Drop to shot my lurchers did or rather could if that's what I wished..My preference would be that they pinned it before it went anywhere, obviously not a desirable trait in a gundog. Retrieve, again a quality I would insist on in a lurcher, and wouldn't tax a well bred lurcher.. .The debate could go on forever, for every wayward useless lurcher I've seen, I've seen a gundog the same, we've came full circle here, so a question to any gundog owner, what do you actually think a gundog could do that a well bred lurcher couldn't??. But theres nobody here saying the lurcher is uesless, its use lads trying to push saying the lurcher is as good as a Lab/Spaniel at Gundog work when thats incorrect. I reckon a Lurcher couldn't go deep back into a wood to look for an injured bird without the owner worrying a deer pops up and its gets coursed across the field infront of a load of guns, i've yet to see any lurcher that works hand signals like a proper gundog( not seen it but wont dismiss it cant be done), i think a lurcher w hereould struggle wildfowling at freezing temps', i've yet to see a lurcher that bashes brambles aside like they are not there and i'm yet to see a soft mouthed one on feather game.................. come down here. i agree on a few bits of the above post however i can disprove the bramble,hand signals and the soft mouthed bits and ive done the lurcher chasing deer and fox infront of the guns bit :laugh: feeeeenton If you fancy it I am more than happy to put on a rough day next season for you and lab so we can prove it either way , we where to be shown how much better lurchers are than gundogs this past season but stewie bottled it no problem mate or you come here and ill give you a day before the end of march Quote Link to post
Millet 4,497 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Right i'd like to place 5 dummies 200 yards away and 200 yards apart in cover of some sort. If your dog beats mine i'd take your for a pint. If it does it 5 times faster i'll buy you the pub.... Oh and mines is an Ice cold Tennets............. The thing is Lab clever dog's wont chase dummies.. ..seen Moll embarressed before today because her dog's would not chase a lure..in the field she would kill on song..but that synthetic lure was nothing.. Quote Link to post
x38 179 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Lets throw this into the mix, what does a gundog actually do that is so hard and that a well bred lurcher is incapable of??. Find game, I would expect a lurcher to find game.. Flush game, as above but obviously is required to catch it rather than flush it . Drop to shot my lurchers did or rather could if that's what I wished..My preference would be that they pinned it before it went anywhere, obviously not a desirable trait in a gundog. Retrieve, again a quality I would insist on in a lurcher, and wouldn't tax a well bred lurcher.. .The debate could go on forever, for every wayward useless lurcher I've seen, I've seen a gundog the same, we've came full circle here, so a question to any gundog owner, what do you actually think a gundog could do that a well bred lurcher couldn't??. But theres nobody here saying the lurcher is uesless, its use lads trying to push saying the lurcher is as good as a Lab/Spaniel at Gundog work when thats incorrect. I reckon a Lurcher couldn't go deep back into a wood to look for an injured bird without the owner worrying a deer pops up and its gets coursed across the field infront of a load of guns, i've yet to see any lurcher that works hand signals like a proper gundog( not seen it but wont dismiss it cant be done), i think a lurcher w hereould struggle wildfowling at freezing temps', i've yet to see a lurcher that bashes brambles aside like they are not there and i'm yet to see a soft mouthed one on feather game.................. come down here. i agree on a few bits of the above post however i can disprove the bramble,hand signals and the soft mouthed bits and ive done the lurcher chasing deer and fox infront of the guns bit :laugh: feeeeenton If you fancy it I am more than happy to put on a rough day next season for you and lab so we can prove it either way , we where to be shown how much better lurchers are than gundogs this past season but stewie bottled it In all fairness and as much as it grives me to say i have seen paulas`s dog with my own eyes and it dos do some cover and will enter light bramble even if it can see there`s nothing there.......not got the finess or speed of a spaniel and the claims it has well rather you then me..... i dont think the day out will come of by ay means but if it dose put a true acount of the day up.......... good look that dog Quote Link to post
"Earth!" 503 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Lets throw this into the mix, what does a gundog actually do that is so hard and that a well bred lurcher is incapable of??. Find game, I would expect a lurcher to find game.. Flush game, as above but obviously is required to catch it rather than flush it . Drop to shot my lurchers did or rather could if that's what I wished..My preference would be that they pinned it before it went anywhere, obviously not a desirable trait in a gundog. Retrieve, again a quality I would insist on in a lurcher, and wouldn't tax a well bred lurcher.. .The debate could go on forever, for every wayward useless lurcher I've seen, I've seen a gundog the same, we've came full circle here, so a question to any gundog owner, what do you actually think a gundog could do that a well bred lurcher couldn't??. But theres nobody here saying the lurcher is uesless, its use lads trying to push saying the lurcher is as good as a Lab/Spaniel at Gundog work when thats incorrect. I reckon a Lurcher couldn't go deep back into a wood to look for an injured bird without the owner worrying a deer pops up and its gets coursed across the field infront of a load of guns, i've yet to see any lurcher that works hand signals like a proper gundog( not seen it but wont dismiss it cant be done), i think a lurcher w hereould struggle wildfowling at freezing temps', i've yet to see a lurcher that bashes brambles aside like they are not there and i'm yet to see a soft mouthed one on feather game.................. come down here. i agree on a few bits of the above post however i can disprove the bramble,hand signals and the soft mouthed bits and ive done the lurcher chasing deer and fox infront of the guns bit :laugh: feeeeenton If you fancy it I am more than happy to put on a rough day next season for you and lab so we can prove it either way , we where to be shown how much better lurchers are than gundogs this past season but stewie bottled it In all fairness and as much as it grives me to say i have seen paulas`s dog with my own eyes and it dos do some cover and will enter light bramble even if it can see there`s nothing there.......not got the finess or speed of a spaniel and the claims it has well rather you then me..... i dont think the day out will come of by ay means but if it dose put a true acount of the day up.......... good look that dog There we have it then lads and im up for it with my yellow bitch, infact ive a patterdale bitch that will show up and has shown up a few dogs in the line/picking up IF theres no occupied earths nearby as its and see you later if there is infact, i will sort the occasion on my shoot allsorts of covers, including 2 lakes and a 3 miles stretch of the river kennet money and mouth then lads?? Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Lets throw this into the mix, what does a gundog actually do that is so hard and that a well bred lurcher is incapable of??. Find game, I would expect a lurcher to find game.. Flush game, as above but obviously is required to catch it rather than flush it . Drop to shot my lurchers did or rather could if that's what I wished..My preference would be that they pinned it before it went anywhere, obviously not a desirable trait in a gundog. Retrieve, again a quality I would insist on in a lurcher, and wouldn't tax a well bred lurcher.. .The debate could go on forever, for every wayward useless lurcher I've seen, I've seen a gundog the same, we've came full circle here, so a question to any gundog owner, what do you actually think a gundog could do that a well bred lurcher couldn't??. But theres nobody here saying the lurcher is uesless, its use lads trying to push saying the lurcher is as good as a Lab/Spaniel at Gundog work when thats incorrect. I reckon a Lurcher couldn't go deep back into a wood to look for an injured bird without the owner worrying a deer pops up and its gets coursed across the field infront of a load of guns, i've yet to see any lurcher that works hand signals like a proper gundog( not seen it but wont dismiss it cant be done), i think a lurcher w hereould struggle wildfowling at freezing temps', i've yet to see a lurcher that bashes brambles aside like they are not there and i'm yet to see a soft mouthed one on feather game.................. come down here. i agree on a few bits of the above post however i can disprove the bramble,hand signals and the soft mouthed bits and ive done the lurcher chasing deer and fox infront of the guns bit :laugh: feeeeenton If you fancy it I am more than happy to put on a rough day next season for you and lab so we can prove it either way , we where to be shown how much better lurchers are than gundogs this past season but stewie bottled it In all fairness and as much as it grives me to say i have seen paulas`s dog with my own eyes and it dos do some cover and will enter light bramble even if it can see there`s nothing there.......not got the finess or speed of a spaniel and the claims it has well rather you then me..... i dont think the day out will come of by ay means but if it dose put a true acount of the day up.......... good look that dog you have chosen the 'ignore your internet stalker button' all post will be directed to an appropriate advisor Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Lets throw this into the mix, what does a gundog actually do that is so hard and that a well bred lurcher is incapable of??. Find game, I would expect a lurcher to find game.. Flush game, as above but obviously is required to catch it rather than flush it . Drop to shot my lurchers did or rather could if that's what I wished..My preference would be that they pinned it before it went anywhere, obviously not a desirable trait in a gundog. Retrieve, again a quality I would insist on in a lurcher, and wouldn't tax a well bred lurcher.. .The debate could go on forever, for every wayward useless lurcher I've seen, I've seen a gundog the same, we've came full circle here, so a question to any gundog owner, what do you actually think a gundog could do that a well bred lurcher couldn't??. But theres nobody here saying the lurcher is uesless, its use lads trying to push saying the lurcher is as good as a Lab/Spaniel at Gundog work when thats incorrect. I reckon a Lurcher couldn't go deep back into a wood to look for an injured bird without the owner worrying a deer pops up and its gets coursed across the field infront of a load of guns, i've yet to see any lurcher that works hand signals like a proper gundog( not seen it but wont dismiss it cant be done), i think a lurcher w hereould struggle wildfowling at freezing temps', i've yet to see a lurcher that bashes brambles aside like they are not there and i'm yet to see a soft mouthed one on feather game.................. come down here. i agree on a few bits of the above post however i can disprove the bramble,hand signals and the soft mouthed bits and ive done the lurcher chasing deer and fox infront of the guns bit :laugh: feeeeenton If you fancy it I am more than happy to put on a rough day next season for you and lab so we can prove it either way , we where to be shown how much better lurchers are than gundogs this past season but stewie bottled it In all fairness and as much as it grives me to say i have seen paulas`s dog with my own eyes and it dos do some cover and will enter light bramble even if it can see there`s nothing there.......not got the finess or speed of a spaniel and the claims it has well rather you then me..... i dont think the day out will come of by ay means but if it dose put a true acount of the day up.......... good look that dog There we have it then lads and im up for it with my yellow bitch, infact ive a patterdale bitch that will show up and has shown up a few dogs in the line/picking up IF theres no occupied earths nearby as its and see you later if there is infact, i will sort the occasion on my shoot allsorts of covers, including 2 lakes and a 3 miles stretch of the river kennet money and mouth then lads?? any afternoon next week/next weekend down here roost shooting pigeons in a 14 acre wood if your up for it here is trip from jan with another member off here http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/234565-roost-shooting-with-a-very-generous-member/ Quote Link to post
x38 179 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Lets throw this into the mix, what does a gundog actually do that is so hard and that a well bred lurcher is incapable of??. Find game, I would expect a lurcher to find game.. Flush game, as above but obviously is required to catch it rather than flush it . Drop to shot my lurchers did or rather could if that's what I wished..My preference would be that they pinned it before it went anywhere, obviously not a desirable trait in a gundog. Retrieve, again a quality I would insist on in a lurcher, and wouldn't tax a well bred lurcher.. .The debate could go on forever, for every wayward useless lurcher I've seen, I've seen a gundog the same, we've came full circle here, so a question to any gundog owner, what do you actually think a gundog could do that a well bred lurcher couldn't??. But theres nobody here saying the lurcher is uesless, its use lads trying to push saying the lurcher is as good as a Lab/Spaniel at Gundog work when thats incorrect. I reckon a Lurcher couldn't go deep back into a wood to look for an injured bird without the owner worrying a deer pops up and its gets coursed across the field infront of a load of guns, i've yet to see any lurcher that works hand signals like a proper gundog( not seen it but wont dismiss it cant be done), i think a lurcher w hereould struggle wildfowling at freezing temps', i've yet to see a lurcher that bashes brambles aside like they are not there and i'm yet to see a soft mouthed one on feather game.................. come down here. i agree on a few bits of the above post however i can disprove the bramble,hand signals and the soft mouthed bits and ive done the lurcher chasing deer and fox infront of the guns bit :laugh: feeeeenton If you fancy it I am more than happy to put on a rough day next season for you and lab so we can prove it either way , we where to be shown how much better lurchers are than gundogs this past season but stewie bottled it In all fairness and as much as it grives me to say i have seen paulas`s dog with my own eyes and it dos do some cover and will enter light bramble even if it can see there`s nothing there.......not got the finess or speed of a spaniel and the claims it has well rather you then me..... i dont think the day out will come of by ay means but if it dose put a true acount of the day up.......... good look that dog There we have it then lads and im up for it with my yellow bitch, infact ive a patterdale bitch that will show up and has shown up a few dogs in the line/picking up IF theres no occupied earths nearby as its and see you later if there is infact, i will sort the occasion on my shoot allsorts of covers, including 2 lakes and a 3 miles stretch of the river kennet money and mouth then lads?? any afternoon next week/next weekend down here roost shooting pigeons in a 14 acre wood if your up for it here is trip from jan with another member off here http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/234565-roost-shooting-with-a-very-generous-member/ Pmsl Quote Link to post
Lab 10,979 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Right i'd like to place 5 dummies 200 yards away and 200 yards apart in cover of some sort. If your dog beats mine i'd take your for a pint. If it does it 5 times faster i'll buy you the pub.... Oh and mines is an Ice cold Tennets............. The thing is Lab clever dog's wont chase dummies.. ..seen Moll embarressed before today because her dog's would not chase a lure..in the field she would kill on song..but that synthetic lure was nothing.. You dont need to 'chase' them mate they dont move............... To be completely honest i dont do a hell of alot of dummy work anyway, my dogs excel on pricked game thats legged it. Most dogs can pick dead stuff.....But i reckon he might if i'm lucky manage a few dummies........... Just about to go today and look at a fencing contract so i'll know when i'll be available for meeting up and in the near future then............wherever the venue......... Quote Link to post
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