Coup de Grace

[mangy1983 51]

I'd not spotted your location either. Which "Western Isle" are you on?

 

I'm on Ardnamurchan at the mo, was living on Rum for a fair bit last year/beginning of this year.

 

Hi Matt I stay a stones throw from the Callanish stones on the Isle of Lewis, hence the question as were a bit behind the times on some things such as amenities and such but l love it.

 

cheers Callum

 

 

 

 

 

[david1976 0]

I use a .22 if I ever have to dispatch a sheep and then bleed it from the throat immediately.

 

www.steam-museum.org.uk/.../the_slaughter_of_sheep_for_private_consumption_by_the_owner.pdf

 

Has some info in it regarding this.

[mangy1983 51]

I use a .22 if I ever have to dispatch a sheep and then bleed it from the throat immediately.

 

www.steam-museum.org.uk/.../the_slaughter_of_sheep_for_private_consumption_by_the_owner.pdf

 

Has some info in it regarding this.

 

Thanks for that David very informative

 

cheers Callum

 

 

 

[walshy0988 28]

Ive used a .22 and in the right place you dont need anything bigger, but its what you have got hand at the time and the loction your at!!

Waslhy

[mangy1983 51]

Ive used a .22 and in the right place you dont need anything bigger, but its what you have got hand at the time and the loction your at!!

Waslhy

 

 

Thanks for the reply

Before l posted the topic l honestly didn't have a clue, l thought bigger was better but after your and others replies l will be taking the .22 out with me next time if there is one

 

cheers Callum

Edited November 28, 2010 by mangy1983

[bewsher500 3]

I have dispatched a variety of four legged animals of various sizes from young lambs hit by cars to red deer stags.

 

I personally wouldn't advise anyone to attempt a knife through the Atlas joint (especially on anything with horns or antlers!) unless you are very sure of your anatomy and the state of the animal being dispatched.

You would be amazed at how a rush of pain and adrenaline can perk up what was a previously unconcious animal. I have witness this first hand trying to move a "dead" hind from a car accident. bloody nearly kicked my hand off!

 

unless you have been called out to humane dispatch situation most people have to use whatever they have to hand. If that happens to be a centre fire rifle then I dont see an issue, with the usual caveat that the person pulling the trigger places the bullet sensibly and the ground or backdrop is not going to cause an issue.

There is no reason why a centre fire round would create any more issue that a shotgun or .22 rimfire round. If anything they (.22LR) ricochet more anyway!

I have only ever bleed lambs/sheep at road accidents but I have had to take the precaution of a zero range shots on a couple of neck shot stags in the past as I did not want to find out how high their pain threshold and level of brain death was as I was bleeding them!

I have also done the same on a hind that was hit by a rally car outside the cottage we were staying in. broken back but still very active.

 

Simplest and most effective/humane place is as described above. down through the atlas joint (top of neck below skull) followed by bleeding out. I always want the muzzle close but not touching, making sure the ground below is going to happily take 130gn of jacketed lead (or whatever you have to hand).

Brain is small enough that you could miss it, glance off and cause a real mess, but at that range the shock and damage would kill/stun sufficiently to bleed out but it is a thick bone covered by little tissue to be targetting in my opinion.

Severe the spine at the atlas joint with a bullet and the hydrostatic shock of the bullet that close to the brain will kill them instantly.

 

Dependant on species, cutting throats can involve a lot more pain and effort (theirs and yours in that order) if done incorrectly or started in a difficult place.

The blood vessels of most large mammals are relatively spread out in the upper neck, both side of the trachea and often under a thicker more muscular areas of tissue/tendon etc. (not easy to find under three inches of thick wool on a RTA sheep)

hitting a major (if not THE major, the aortic) artery is crucial in a swift bleed. cutting smaller arteries or worse, veins can give a very graphic high pressure bleed but the volume lost is never going to equal that of a major artery. bear in mind under the shock of being hit by a car or a bullet, the animals blood pressure is going to be lower.

 

find the top of the sternum (centre of upper chest) between the clavicle ends (collar bones), about where the bottom of your tie knot might be. The soft bit between your adams apple and your chest bones.

The skin is thinner there, there is less tissue between the surface and major vessels, expose it further by tilting the head back and one swift stab cut motion with any knife over three/four inches long and reasonably sharp and you severe/lacerate the arch of the aorta. (imagine cutting a fan shape, small entrance hole, larger fan. more likely to hit it cleanly)

Do it with the head of the animal pointing slightly downhill if you want the vent the body cavity of the blood.

 

sure lots of people may have their other tried and tested methods but those are mine

[mangy1983 51]

I have dispatched a variety of four legged animals of various sizes from young lambs hit by cars to red deer stags.

 

I personally wouldn't advise anyone to attempt a knife through the Atlas joint (especially on anything with horns or antlers!) unless you are very sure of your anatomy and the state of the animal being dispatched.

You would be amazed at how a rush of pain and adrenaline can perk up what was a previously unconcious animal. I have witness this first hand trying to move a "dead" hind from a car accident. bloody nearly kicked my hand off!

 

unless you have been called out to humane dispatch situation most people have to use whatever they have to hand. If that happens to be a centre fire rifle then I dont see an issue, with the usual caveat that the person pulling the trigger places the bullet sensibly and the ground or backdrop is not going to cause an issue.

There is no reason why a centre fire round would create any more issue that a shotgun or .22 rimfire round. If anything they (.22LR) ricochet more anyway!

I have only ever bleed lambs/sheep at road accidents but I have had to take the precaution of a zero range shots on a couple of neck shot stags in the past as I did not want to find out how high their pain threshold and level of brain death was as I was bleeding them!

I have also done the same on a hind that was hit by a rally car outside the cottage we were staying in. broken back but still very active.

 

Simplest and most effective/humane place is as described above. down through the atlas joint (top of neck below skull) followed by bleeding out. I always want the muzzle close but not touching, making sure the ground below is going to happily take 130gn of jacketed lead (or whatever you have to hand).

Brain is small enough that you could miss it, glance off and cause a real mess, but at that range the shock and damage would kill/stun sufficiently to bleed out but it is a thick bone covered by little tissue to be targetting in my opinion.

Severe the spine at the atlas joint with a bullet and the hydrostatic shock of the bullet that close to the brain will kill them instantly.

 

Dependant on species, cutting throats can involve a lot more pain and effort (theirs and yours in that order) if done incorrectly or started in a difficult place.

The blood vessels of most large mammals are relatively spread out in the upper neck, both side of the trachea and often under a thicker more muscular areas of tissue/tendon etc. (not easy to find under three inches of thick wool on a RTA sheep)

hitting a major (if not THE major, the aortic) artery is crucial in a swift bleed. cutting smaller arteries or worse, veins can give a very graphic high pressure bleed but the volume lost is never going to equal that of a major artery. bear in mind under the shock of being hit by a car or a bullet, the animals blood pressure is going to be lower.

 

find the top of the sternum (centre of upper chest) between the clavicle ends (collar bones), about where the bottom of your tie knot might be. The soft bit between your adams apple and your chest bones.

The skin is thinner there, there is less tissue between the surface and major vessels, expose it further by tilting the head back and one swift stab cut motion with any knife over three/four inches long and reasonably sharp and you severe/lacerate the arch of the aorta. (imagine cutting a fan shape, small entrance hole, larger fan. more likely to hit it cleanly)

Do it with the head of the animal pointing slightly downhill if you want the vent the body cavity of the blood.

 

sure lots of people may have their other tried and tested methods but those are mine

 

thanks for the informative reply bewsher500

 

cheers Callum

 

 

[spanj 11]

 

the best and most effective way i personally have found is too stand behind the sheep a little way back and place the round where the top of the neck joins the skull,

 

Snap.

 

 

 

I use the same place as Snappy, but on Deer, its called the Atlas joint, and can be done with a variety of tools, including a knife if the animal isnt very active.

 

It may be worth getting someone to show you how to use a knife, if you are rightly concerned about a Centre fire round at close proximity. Remember there is no legal minimum calibre for human dispatch.. Yo can also use a shotgun.

Think you mean humane lolol