Low Velocity .22 Rimfire Rounds

[Urban Fox Control London 8]

Does anyone know what the Brand Name and FPS of the lowest velocity sub-sonic HP round available in the UK ?

 

Thanks in advance

Edited November 22, 2010 by Urban Fox Control London

[paulus 26]

carnt remember the name but i know you can get them at 30fibs

[matt_hooks 188]

The old .22BB and .22CB were low powered, basically no propellant except the igniting cap. Not sure how you'd go about getting hold of them though these days.

[halamrose 24]

Winchester Z Long 770 FPS were discussed somewhere recently, but can you get them? http://www.guncity.co.nz/winchester-zimmer-.22-z-long-.22lr-brick-xidp97153.html

[matt_hooks 188]

RWS still stock a .22 short shell with about 60 ft.lb, that's the lowest energy I can find.

 

http://www.rwsmunition.de/en/sports_rimfire/rimfire_field_line.htm?navid=33

[stubby 175]

give leeches a ring, he carries them in stock, mate just picked up 100 for £6

[3jackwhite3 2]

ive got some cb longs, there pushing out just over 30ft/lbs, only good up to 10 yards in my gun but will be good for shooting foxes in snares or traps.

[bewsher500 3]

where are you using them? on a caged fox?

what is you interest in the lower power? noise or terminal velocity?

 

I have shot foxes with both CB long and standard winchester subsonics both at around 20 - 40 feet.

 

CB Long did not penetrate the skull at 20 feet but still killed it instantly. dropped like a standard head shot, never moved again.

I assume i died from from a massive brain heamorrage internally and the concussion. I looked for an exit wound and it was only when I examined the entry wound that I realised. bit too slow in my opinion unless for cage dispatch use.

 

Win Subs work very well, in and out with bullet recovered from less than one inch into the soil backdrop, so I assume from this that it had lost almost all of its energy before exit. (photo below)

The bullet mushroomed well with some tweaking! I use a size 6 shotgun pellet in the hollow point void. adds weight so bringing down the velocity and acts as a ballistic tip spreading the bullet.

 

 

 

I use a PES overbarrel moderator which is very good and reduces the report when fired outside to the firing pin, bit of a light clap and bullet strike.

I test fired both indoors and the difference in report is marginal. I doubt you could tell the difference unless you were right next to the firing point.

 

I would like to try some RWS subs as they are a bit slower that Win Subs which can stray a bit close and sometimes over the sub velocity limit.

 

Depends on what you are looking for.

[DogMagic 461]

Give F A Andersons in east grinstead a call mate and ask for john.

[Urban Fox Control London 8]

Thanks for that everyone for the comments.

 

As you all may be aware, my main business interest is cage trapping and dispatching foxes in urban areas.

 

I was just looking into alternatives other than the Eley Sub Sonic Hollow points that I am currently using.

 

No problems with the Eley's, but I am always looking for a safer round, less power, but still effective enough to be humane and provide a quick kill.

[matt_hooks 188]

For dispatching cage caught foxes at zero range, an air rifle should do the job admirably. The shorts and CB/BB should be perfect for the job too, and slower/quieter than the standard subs. Of course they'll probably be a little bit more expensive, and is there an appreciable increase in safety?

[bewsher500 3]

sorry but WTF!?

 

an air rifle? unless it is an FAC air rifle and even then, the pellets dont carry anything like the energy required to dispatch a fox.

anything other than a head shot is IMO not a humane choice for dispacthing a caged animal.

 

the foxes skull is very think by comparison to other mammalian skulls. I have a PCP air rifle verging on FAC rating and it struggled the get all the way through a turnip at 10 feet.

 

not a good option IMO.

 

stick with your subs (CB or otherwise)

[GRAM71 29]

Another vote for CCI CB longs, 29gr 710fps, approx 30ft/lb. i use them on rooks and sqizzers, sometimes rabbits in the barns or round the woodpile.

As for using air rifles for dispatch, apparently it works well, i know of a couple of people that use them and they've not had a problem.