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[moddey-dhoo 39]

d harcombe ruined one of his strains with a bad out cross to monty a red parks bred dog.

 

Well someone had to take the blame when the written fairy tales didn’t come true , I’d rather of had Monty in my kennel than Vicky !!!

[Tesco 28]

d harcombe ruined one of his strains with a bad out cross to monty a red parks bred dog.

 

Well someone had to take the blame when the written fairy tales didn’t come true , I’d rather of had Monty in my kennel than Vicky !!!

 

The truth will come out 1 day, someone might write a book about it all...

[p3d 879]

First of all IMO nobody should get into working terriers with the intention of forming their own line. It should just happen. Usually when a man has worked a few from different lines/families/types he'll realise what he wants in a terrier and strive for it.

As for the experts saying line breeding/inbreeding doesn't work ???? It does work.

The Kennel Club made a balls of several breeds by inbreeding but they didn't have something that the working dog man has. The Field.

For a working dog to work hard for several seasons in the field it must in the first place be a physically perfect specimen. I'm not talking about petty things like a mouth being under shot, things like that aren't pleasing to the eye but they're not the same as hip-dysplacia etc. etc.

Most of the time you hear of a so called working strain thats develelped serious health issues you'll find that the men behind it had money and personal gain in mind.

I'm talking about the small kennels of working terriers, gundogs, hound packs, pit dogs etc. that have been using linebreeding/inbreeding for years and making it work.

Like I say, hard work in the field is a form of natural selection in itself.

JMHO.

 

 

As long as you have a barrel of water in your yard and you cull without hesitation, it will work.

This natural selection will take place in the kennel long before the dog goes to ground.

The expert said it was wrong, not that it would not work.

Without doubt severely undershot is not a hinderence in the field.

But you have to question your motives before you go down the road of inbreeding.

After a couple of litters of russion roulette, you will still have to outcross.

This is a topic that will always cause division.

If inbreeding has worked for you, great,

 

JMHO

Edited November 23, 2010 by p3d

[J Darcy 5,871]

First of all IMO nobody should get into working terriers with the intention of forming their own line. It should just happen. Usually when a man has worked a few from different lines/families/types he'll realise what he wants in a terrier and strive for it.

As for the experts saying line breeding/inbreeding doesn't work ???? It does work.

The Kennel Club made a balls of several breeds by inbreeding but they didn't have something that the working dog man has. The Field.

For a working dog to work hard for several seasons in the field it must in the first place be a physically perfect specimen. I'm not talking about petty things like a mouth being under shot, things like that aren't pleasing to the eye but they're not the same as hip-dysplacia etc. etc.

Most of the time you hear of a so called working strain thats develelped serious health issues you'll find that the men behind it had money and personal gain in mind.

I'm talking about the small kennels of working terriers, gundogs, hound packs, pit dogs etc. that have been using linebreeding/inbreeding for years and making it work.

Like I say, hard work in the field is a form of natural selection in itself.

JMHO.

 

 

As long as you have a barrel of water in your yard and you cull without hesitation, it will work.

This natural selection will take place in the kennel long before the dog goes to ground.

The expert said it was wrong, not that it would not work.

Without doubt severely undershot is not a hinderence in the field.

But you have to question your motives before you go down the road of inbreeding.

After a couple of litters of russion roulette, you will still have to outcross.

This is a topic that will always cause division.

If inbreeding has worked for you, great,

 

JMHO

 

 

p3d, i would not care if a dog came undershot, over shot or anything like that really as long as it was a worker. When i look back over the years at the very good dogs that used to be around one common denominator crops up as to why these 'lines', 'strains' were not set in stone and this was back biting and jealousy. lads had good dogs, but they just did not want anyone else to have good dogs either. The prima dona's of the terrier world would cut off their nose to spite their face. And thats what happened with some lines. I bet there are many boys who wished they had the dogs they had a decade ago. Instead of related digging dogs they now have a mish-mash of scatter bred pups often bred from second rate dogs.

Another thing i have found strange...a lad puts an unrelated dog to an unrelated bitch and suddenly he has his own 'line'. IMO it must surely take generations to breed a line and no man can do it on his own. He needs friends, trusted friends that will rear the pups correctly and then work then hard enough to see how good they are.

As Neil Cooney says, you start off with a blueprint in your mind, basing your ideal on the terriers that think will suit you, and go from there. But its not a thing that happens over night, more like over many years.

IMO to breed your own line you need Brains, forethought and Friends that are terrier savvy.

[earthmover2010 2]

well thank u all for ur info on lines strains glad this post has got people to come with there own opinions any more info on people and how long took them to build there own line strains as i want to get more insite to it cheers

[atuddy 179]

very good thread all good information

[no1 jibber 31]

to many people chasing the dream of making a name for themselves in the dog world, just enjoy the sport ffs lifes to short.

[wexford Pa 84]

to many people chasing the dream of making a name for themselves in the dog world, just enjoy the sport ffs lifes to short.

what about lads chasing a dream of never stepping far from their own back yard for a good terrier.. Just cos a lad would someday like to have his own line doesnt mean he wants a name or money, he just wants his terriers the way he wants them.. Enjoy the sport now but have a plan or a fore thought of where u wanna be and what u want in 10, 20, 30 years from now..

.... Pa

[turnerboi 27]

well maybe it wasnt montys fault but in his book work them hard he blames monty and praises vicky up to the hilt so if he bred the dogs and worked them i think he would have a fair idea of wat ruined it and wat didnt

[Tesco 28]

well maybe it wasnt montys fault but in his book work them hard he blames monty and praises vicky up to the hilt so if he bred the dogs and worked them i think he would have a fair idea of wat ruined it and wat didnt

 

He would, wouldnt he....

[Guest busterdog]

turnerbio you aren't old enough, seen enough done enough to have an opinion yet.

[moddey-dhoo 39]

well maybe it wasnt montys fault but in his book work them hard he blames monty and praises vicky up to the hilt so if he bred the dogs and worked them i think he would have a fair idea of wat ruined it and wat didnt

 

if you know how Vicky died then you'll know how she worked , most books on terriers should be placed on the fiction list

[d and l 3 9]

im thinking of doing the same can you breed father daughter mating

[the_stig 6,614]

im thinking of doing the same can you breed father daughter mating

done it with mixed results -short cut to what i was looking for ,inbreeding brings out all the faults that are in the breedin just a lot quicker than line breeding .. i bred to a type would`nt call it my line/strain .....

[Mosby 355]

All these questions are making me laugh to myself. If you don't know anything about inbreeding and linebreeding, don't do it. Learn up some more, not just on here either. Everybody's got an opinion on the subject and they are conflicting. I'm guessing you haven't worked with dogs very long if you don't know anything about how to get a line of your own going, for the sake of that, don't line breed what you've got til you know it's better than what another line can offer. There are alot of already developed lines. I can't imagine if you are hunting the type of ground that has been hunted for centuries that your going to create something to beat the rest. I don't mean to be a hypocrite, as i am trying to gather up dogs from the line I like best but that is after i have kept some 30 dogs and work them year round 3-4 days a week and have seen other's dogs hunt and know that there is nothing out there doing the job like I need for my area in Oregon, USA. If I wanted hole dogs only I would have fells and patts that have already been set as a type and are great at the work. No need to fix them.