Flaming Floyde and Sooty Sam

[parkstone 24]

I had no intentions of knocking your dog my info was taken from your web site & K9 after the link to your info was posted by another member.

 

my intentions were to set the record straight as members on here where being miss lead that Sooty Sam and Flaming Floyd were/had been excelant racing whippets?.

 

unfortunatly these sites allow those who havnt got a clue to write posts that make out they know a lot yet in fact they know very little from true experiance but write from hear say and reading books?.

 

i've worked dogs for 28 years (running dogs & Terriers) i've raced dogs for 26 years whippets for 15, I also coursed under rules with 2 coursing clubs till the ban and I work my dogs day & night.

 

So anything I write is from actual experiance not just from what i've read in books or picked up from otheres over a short period.

(the above isnt aimed at the owner of flaming floyde)

Edited January 8, 2007 by parkstone whippets

[Pennymeadow Whippets 0]

A pair of Sooty Sam grandaughters just finished doing what they were bred to do catch rabbits

 

[job-y-gwair 0]

unfortunatly these sites allow those who havnt got a clue to write posts that make out they know a lot yet in fact they know very little from true experiance but write from hear say and reading books?.

 

Isn't part of the problem that it's difficult to assess working abilities objectively? If a whippet participates in racing, coursing or lure coursing then there are ways of assessing speed, enthusiasm, agility and stamina etc in a reasonable objective way, but whether a dog 'good worker' is always going to be based on the opinion of a smaller number of observers, hence subjective in comparison? As larger dogs seem have been selected from, historically they would have been too heavy/tall to race or course under rules anyway.

 

Personally I'd like to see a bit more racing blood in introduced into coursing lines, I think racing lines do now have the edge on stamina and the older coursing kennels have been leaning towards using more show blood recently. Once ran Gelert against 2 RCHs at Bicester over 500 yds, oddly he was way ahead of them for the 1st 100-150 yards, but finished 2 and 1 length respectively behind them (which I was pleased with actually, although I'd expected the result to be the other way round), but it does show racing breds do have the stamina to keep up top speed over longer distances.

[parkstone 24]

I agree,

 

Dogs bred/trained specificly for racing are now getting better training than in the past due to racers taking it more serious than just an afternoon out on a Sunday, they put more work into their dogs both road walking & free running to build the differant types of muscules up and they are constantly trying differant foods to try and get the best out of their dogs..

 

I agree I would of expected yours to have been led and then to catch up towards the end as stamina kicked in but it just shows you can never tell.

 

i've heard of a lot of the old coursing strains are now looking at Racing Chamion stud dogs to put a little extra pace ect back into their lines.

 

each and every line has something to offer to the gene pool it's just working through them and adding bits here and there to try and get the ultimate dog if such a thing actual exist but we all try to attain it?.

 

with showing/racing it's easy for people to see how a line/dogs are compeating at shows or racing, but with working dogs reputations are often hear say with very little evidence to support it as you say.

[brock 11]

parkstone how do you find the sootysam bred dogs on rabbits in large fields?

[parkstone 24]

The one's i've seen have done well.

[Guest ITALLION STALLION]

could any of you please give me some info on the following kc affixes... poachyn , fleetway , ousebank etc ....thanks

Edited January 10, 2007 by ITALLION STALLION

[Pennymeadow Whippets 0]

could any of you please give me some info on the following kc affixes... poachyn , fleetway , ousebank etc ....thanks

 

Poachyn whippets were originally Poaching Whippets don't know why the name was changed,They were formed in 1960 by Mary Rigby from Devon she specialised in breeding black whippets producing CH/Poaching Black Jack i think he was the first black Champion,Poaching Tadpole a CC winner,Poaching After Dark a reserve CC winner & ,Poachyn Blue Jeans At Laurelcote also a reserve CC winner & Poaching Night Flight all for the show ring they origanate from the Test & Allways bloodlines from the 1950s

 

Ousebank also produced for the show ring Ousebank Morning Melody was a reserve CC winner.

 

Fleetway whippets were formed by Valerie Tugwell from Essex Fleetway Dark Daffodil,Fleetway Double Diamond,Fleetway Gracefull At Kaymark,Fleetway Alice,Fleetway Ebony Edition,Fleetway Alice Blue Gown bred for the show ring some carrying lines to Barbra Wilton Clarkes Shalfleet kennel.

 

Hope this is of use

[Pennymeadow Whippets 0]

Another pair of Sooty Sam Grandaughters doing what they were bred to do

 

[Guest ITALLION STALLION]

thanks for the reply pennymeadow....... were any of them lines used for coursing / racing etc or were they mainly bred for showing ??? could you please give me any info on a dog called bluestreak lanfranco .......thanks

Edited January 10, 2007 by ITALLION STALLION

[Pennymeadow Whippets 0]

thanks for the reply pennymeadow....... were any of them lines used for coursing / racing etc or were they mainly bred for showing ??? could you please give me any info on a dog called bluestreak lanfranco .......thanks

 

The Blurstreak kennel is owned by Cathie Brown they are based in chippenham Cambs they show mainly Bluestreak Lanfranco is the sire of a racing whippet called Go With The Flow it races at the Independent racing club at Worcestershire Also the sire of Trenthyde Florence

 

 

Results from The Whippet Club Show Obedience Classes

 

Judge Sue Abrahams

 

Pre Beginner

 

1st Mrs E Third Bruntsfield Play Away (CH PeperonePlayoff- Tradewind Gemstone of Bruntfield)

 

2nd Mrs A Loch Trenthyde Florence ( Bluestreak Lanfranco of Suffeina - Nimrodel India)

 

3rd Mrs J M Morrall Moonlake Making Merry (Ch Moonlake Making a Splash-Moonlake Maybe Sweet)

 

Parkstone Whippets might be able to tell you more on go with the flow as he has raced at the same club

 

Look at program 9 on the link

http://www.communigate.co.uk/worcs/ipwrc/page14.phtml

[job-y-gwair 0]

thanks for the reply pennymeadow....... were any of them lines used for coursing / racing etc or were they mainly bred for showing ??? could you please give me any info on a dog called bluestreak lanfranco .......thanks

 

Bluestreak Lanfranco at Sufeina is/was a stud dog that belonged to Buzz Faber; I'm fairly sure he coursed under rules, but I don't know how successful he was. He has been used quite a bit by a Mrs Ely in Worcs who bred both my dogs and Go with the Flow from her original Laguna-bred foundation bitches. I think Frankie might finally have retired now, although he was siring litters at 12+.

 

Trenthyde Florence runs occasionally at the BSFA and other drag coursing events. I don't know how well more recent Bluestreak whippets would do in the sporting field, although I believe Cathie has used Ch. Welstar Red Robin is behind quite a few of her current show bitches, a dog that also features in quite a lot in current coursing lines (Jimanica, Laguna).

Edited March 26, 2007 by job-y-gwair

[Guest ITALLION STALLION]

thanks for the info job-y-gwair