hard nights lamping

[DEERMAN 1,020]

i feed my dog at 10pm unless im going out that night then i just feed when i get in,dogs digets food at different rates than us so you cant compare them to ourselves.also if you look at wild dogs and wolves you wont find them feeding then running around again six hourrs later.whos comparing them to out selves?so your saying its wrong to give them a little somthing in afternoon before that night lamping?

so your saying its wrong to feed them a little somthing at 4/5 ish before a nights lamping?if so why?whos comparing a dog to a human with slower digest as surely even if this is true ,they would get benefit half way through night ?

[!!Lurcher96!! 12]

I feed my dogs when i get back.

[Guest vin]

Top Subject Trigger.

 

I suppose its each to there own methods...But i can tell you from experience that young Trigger is becoming a bit of an expert on this subject.

his dog is fit and he is fit.but i also must add..his dog is lamping/working fit.not just fit like most dogs. there's a massive difference.

His dog is a supreme fit beast,with a very very good brain for the job in hand.

 

Most half decent running dogs are OK for a couple of hours lamping about on decent steady night..but to go from dusk till dawn working hard requires a different kind of fitness. Ive seen it with my own eyes,and trigger has seen it quite a few times now with his old dog and other people's so called fit dogs.

 

I feed my dogs late at night..so would normally go out then feed the dog when i get in. and this is usually ok...BUT not for a serious night out.

You simply cannot run on empty..eventually you just run-out ..simple as that...Empty is not a good place for your dog to be in the middle of the night/freezing/wet and in danger of death.

 

From now on my dogs will always have a light carb type meal at 5-6pm on a night before heavy action..and also whilst out a supply of glucose enriched snacks/drinks to have at maybe half time.(custard creams sound perfect. lol)

 

I'm sure there's a few that would say its wrong...but I guess that they never go out doing big numbers all night long on hard runs.

 

its equal to a long run or a marathon i suppose...and I know there is no athlete who does the marathon on an empty stomach and without the aid of energy/electrolites/minerals blah blah blah in his drink as he is running all the way.

 

make your own minds up from your own experience or learn from people who actually live the life like young Trigger..hats off to ya mate.

 

atb

 

Vin

[malc1 544]

Top Subject Trigger.

 

I suppose its each to there own methods...But i can tell you from experience that young Trigger is becoming a bit of an expert on this subject.

his dog is fit and he is fit.but i also must add..his dog is lamping/working fit.not just fit like most dogs. there's a massive difference.

His dog is a supreme fit beast,with a very very good brain for the job in hand.

 

Most half decent running dogs are OK for a couple of hours lamping about on decent steady night..but to go from dusk till dawn working hard requires a different kind of fitness. Ive seen it with my own eyes,and trigger has seen it quite a few times now with his old dog and other people's so called fit dogs.

 

I feed my dogs late at night..so would normally go out then feed the dog when i get in. and this is usually ok...BUT not for a serious night out.

You simply cannot run on empty..eventually you just run-out ..simple as that...Empty is not a good place for your dog to be in the middle of the night/freezing/wet and in danger of death.

 

From now on my dogs will always have a light carb type meal at 5-6pm on a night before heavy action..and also whilst out a supply of glucose enriched snacks/drinks to have at maybe half time.(custard creams sound perfect. lol)

 

I'm sure there's a few that would say its wrong...but I guess that they never go out doing big numbers all night long on hard runs.

 

its equal to a long run or a marathon i suppose...and I know there is no athlete who does the marathon on an empty stomach and without the aid of energy/electrolites/minerals blah blah blah in his drink as he is running all the way.

 

make your own minds up from your own experience or learn from people who actually live the life like young Trigger..hats off to ya mate.

 

atb

 

 

come on vin i agree with all what youve said as i run my dog quite often with trigg but come on young trigg he aint young

[Trigger 26]

i feed my dog at 10pm unless im going out that night then i just feed when i get in,dogs digets food at different rates than us so you cant compare them to ourselves.also if you look at wild dogs and wolves you wont find them feeding then running around again six hourrs later.

i dont think you can compare the work rate of the domesticated working dog to that of a wolf, a wolf hunts when hungry and stops when he has made is kill because he fills his stomach.

 

The working lurcher as there boundries pushed in different ways they dont stop when they have made there first catch they have to repeat it again and again through out the night. surely you can do more on a half full tank (stomach) than you can on a empty one.

[Dux 5]

My understanding (from Field Trial and Competitive Sled Dog people) is that a dog runs best on an empty stomach and that you want about 24hrs between it's last meal and the heavy work.

 

To avoid Gastric Torsion aka 'bloat' (from Field Trialers and Vets), feed no later than two hours before work and no sooner than one hour after work.

 

Never run a lurcher so I don't know if it's an apples to apples comparison. However my Bird Dogs have always run hard and well following the above rules. Pretty much every other person's Bird Dog I've seen run is spent in two hours or less. Mine go hard 5+hrs.

[craigyboy 1,274]

My understanding (from Field Trial and Competitive Sled Dog people) is that a dog runs best on an empty stomach and that you want about 24hrs between it's last meal and the heavy work.

 

To avoid Gastric Torsion aka 'bloat' (from Field Trialers and Vets), feed no later than two hours before work and no sooner than one hour after work.

 

Never run a lurcher so I don't know if it's an apples to apples comparison. However my Bird Dogs have always run hard and well following the above rules. Pretty much every other person's Bird Dog I've seen run is spent in two hours or less. Mine go hard 5+hrs.

sounds about right to me all this bollox comparing dogs to marathon runners theyre dogs ffs not humans

[Trigger 26]

My understanding (from Field Trial and Competitive Sled Dog people) is that a dog runs best on an empty stomach and that you want about 24hrs between it's last meal and the heavy work.

 

To avoid Gastric Torsion aka 'bloat' (from Field Trialers and Vets), feed no later than two hours before work and no sooner than one hour after work.

 

Never run a lurcher so I don't know if it's an apples to apples comparison. However my Bird Dogs have always run hard and well following the above rules. Pretty much every other person's Bird Dog I've seen run is spent in two hours or less. Mine go hard 5+hrs.

sounds about right to me all this bollox comparing dogs to marathon runners theyre dogs ffs not humans

i can see you have never seen a dog to a proper hard nights work.

[collie/grey 238]

My dogs are generally fed between 6 and 7pm but if they are going out that night they'll not get fed til we're home, always done this and never had a problem with them tiring, i can workout better on an empty stomach rather than when i have eaten earlier so i feel the dogs are the same.

[swagboy 9]

i feed every morning even when i work them the night befor but that is me

[matt32 44]

i feed my dog at 10pm unless im going out that night then i just feed when i get in,dogs digets food at different rates than us so you cant compare them to ourselves.also if you look at wild dogs and wolves you wont find them feeding then running around again six hourrs later.

go and do a hard days work on a building site on an empty gut and see how you feel at the end of the day ( im only going by what i have been told ) nothing you have said makes sense, sorry mate

humans and dogs are different

[skycat 6,173]

As has already been said: dogs and humans are different. Dogs are designed to run on an empty stomach, and IMO although we ask our dogs to do far more work on an empty stomach than a wolf would do, I've never had a problem. Providing the dog is fit enough for the work to be done, and is fed a good diet on a daily basis, there is not need to feed before going out. Before a really hard day or night I do sometimes give a small meal of an egg beaten into a couple of spoonfuls of yoghurt, and give them electrolytes when they need it during the working hours: half a cupful to drink, no more, then a 15 minute rest before running again. Liquid is absorbed by the stomach walls within 20 minutes so there is no problem of running on a liquid filled stomach.

 

I've seen dogs go off their legs on a hard night out (not mine) but they were either not fit enough in the first place or were being fed incorrectly.

[malc1 544]

As has already been said: dogs and humans are different. Dogs are designed to run on an empty stomach, and IMO although we ask our dogs to do far more work on an empty stomach than a wolf would do, I've never had a problem. Providing the dog is fit enough for the work to be done, and is fed a good diet on a daily basis, there is not need to feed before going out. Before a really hard day or night I do sometimes give a small meal of an egg beaten into a couple of spoonfuls of yoghurt, and give them electrolytes when they need it during the working hours: half a cupful to drink, no more, then a 15 minute rest before running again. Liquid is absorbed by the stomach walls within 20 minutes so there is no problem of running on a liquid filled stomach.

 

I've seen dogs go off their legs on a hard night out (not mine) but they were either not fit enough in the first place or were being fed incorrectly.

i still say a dog that needs supplements is not fit enough

[3 Turns 326]

Top Subject Trigger.

 

I suppose its each to there own methods...But i can tell you from experience that young Trigger is becoming a bit of an expert on this subject.

his dog is fit and he is fit.but i also must add..his dog is lamping/working fit.not just fit like most dogs. there's a massive difference.

His dog is a supreme fit beast,with a very very good brain for the job in hand.

 

Most half decent running dogs are OK for a couple of hours lamping about on decent steady night..but to go from dusk till dawn working hard requires a different kind of fitness. Ive seen it with my own eyes,and trigger has seen it quite a few times now with his old dog and other people's so called fit dogs.

 

I feed my dogs late at night..so would normally go out then feed the dog when i get in. and this is usually ok...BUT not for a serious night out.

You simply cannot run on empty..eventually you just run-out ..simple as that...Empty is not a good place for your dog to be in the middle of the night/freezing/wet and in danger of death.

 

From now on my dogs will always have a light carb type meal at 5-6pm on a night before heavy action..and also whilst out a supply of glucose enriched snacks/drinks to have at maybe half time.(custard creams sound perfect. lol)

 

I'm sure there's a few that would say its wrong...but I guess that they never go out doing big numbers all night long on hard runs.

 

its equal to a long run or a marathon i suppose...and I know there is no athlete who does the marathon on an empty stomach and without the aid of energy/electrolites/minerals blah blah blah in his drink as he is running all the way.

 

make your own minds up from your own experience or learn from people who actually live the life like young Trigger..hats off to ya mate.

 

atb

 

Vin

ALRIGHT VIN.I BEEN TAUGHT FROM FAMILY WHEN OUT ON COLD WET NIGHTS YOU ALWAYS GIVE YOUR RUNNERS SOMETHING .THATS SAME FOR YOURSELF THATS WHY U STOP FOR A CUPPA A WEE BIT SUGAR N CARBS HELPS US ALL .YOU PROBABLY SEEN LURCHERS HITTING THE WALL YOURSELF KEELING OVER AND FITTING ETC.THATS WHY WEVE DONE IT FOR 80YRS COMBINED.LOTS OF REAL HUNTERS WOULD LAUGH BUT ILAUGH AT A LOT ASWELL.HORSES FOR COURSES .LATER

[weasle 1,119]

As a young lad i tried and saw dogs,feed before work,they all would be continually,pushing out diarrhea type shits,that was enough to tell me its not a good thing,as well as if a dog had a full stomach it could be putting pressure on lungs and diaphragm.Fox hounds do not even get feed the day before hunting and they could do 50 miles in a day,although that is partly to sharpen there nose`s

Edited November 22, 2010 by weasle