staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 but can them pure salukis add enough speed as thats why most go back to the grey as your loosing speed whenever you diluting the grey Quote Link to post
captain jack sparrow 8 Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 courseing greys are faster with more stamina,the dunphys from ireland top grey kennel had the fastest dog up there gallop was from courseing stock,these are top breeders Quote Link to post
riohog 5,701 Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 but can them pure salukis add enough speed as thats why most go back to the grey as your loosing speed whenever you diluting the grey just a thought ,by keep adding more greyhound ,would this not be to the detrement of the overall stamina .ie faster for 2 or 3 good runs but not the stamina and recovery for 5.or 6 runs . yeah not saying you cant hit the sweet spot and get both , but when it happens not many can keep reproducing it in another mating . yes a few can .thats why there at the top of there game . but not every pup in these litters are world beeters .just wonder after time if the amount, of really good dogs in these litters demineshes ! surly to get this you have to line breed !! but must eventually outcross . back to sal / or grey.wether it be pure stuff or lurcher . then efectivly its another line . suppose its human nature were never happy with what we got .... and allways srtiving to inprove!! Quote Link to post
no1 jibber 31 Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 I would prefer a more durable coursing greyhound out of choice,(a dog that actually does the job in the field).But does it really matter you are only putting the greyhound into the mix to add speed. theres plenty of ex track greyhounds given the chance to work and some do it very well. Quote Link to post
boyo 1,398 Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 what it really boils down to is individual preferance what we want in a lurcher. myself i love the up and at them type over the more steady type .not saying one is better than the other just personal preferance but as far as coursing or track bred ive found doesnt make the blindest bit of differance imo. Quote Link to post
Guest stewie Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 The amount of lurchers about now a days their is no need watso ever to go back to pure greyhounds the good strains of pure saluki are imho a much better prospect to put into lurchers rather than loose stamina and durabilty by going back to raceing dogs. :clapper: :clapper: you get f*****g worse dell :laugh: 1st its lurcher to lurcher only now its go back to a pure saluki :whistling: so your basically saying all 3/4 breds in any cross are pointless nowadays and should be 1/4 whatever used 1/4 grey and 1/2 saluki??? TOTAL BOLLOCKS!!!!! :doh: Quote Link to post
Dan Edwards 1,134 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 Cant agree with that poacher, sometimes a lurcher strain needs an injection of pure blood and the right Greyhound blood will help a strain of lurcher level out , breed true to type add the necessary dash for generations. Every few generaions or so a influx of Grey Blood, Saluki Blood, Deerhound Blood ie Pure Blood helps a strain along depending what you want out of your stock. Where do all these purebreds get their injection to help them along or are they immune to this theory based on the sole fact that they are "pure blooded"? Quote Link to post
Casso 1,261 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 The amount of lurchers about now a days their is no need watso ever to go back to pure greyhounds the good strains of pure saluki are imho a much better prospect to put into lurchers rather than loose stamina and durabilty by going back to raceing dogs. agree with what your saying , there are some very fleet footed runners bred to catch, to take your line straight back to a hound just to inject speed is crazy, because no greyhound is bred to catch,, anything, there are some very fast running dogs out there with some great qualities in their breeding,who have proved themselves as great catchers of all game, thats my tuppence worth,, Quote Link to post
poacher3161 1,766 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 The amount of lurchers about now a days their is no need watso ever to go back to pure greyhounds the good strains of pure saluki are imho a much better prospect to put into lurchers rather than loose stamina and durabilty by going back to raceing dogs. :clapper: :clapper: you get f*****g worse dell :laugh: 1st its lurcher to lurcher only now its go back to a pure saluki :whistling: so your basically saying all 3/4 breds in any cross are pointless nowadays and should be 1/4 whatever used 1/4 grey and 1/2 saluki??? TOTAL BOLLOCKS!!!!! :doh: Yes lurcher to lurcher all the way but why then breed them back to greyhounds to loose stamina and running ability but then your the exspert stewie so you know wats best. Quote Link to post
Dan Edwards 1,134 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 there are some very fast running dogs out there with some great qualities in their breeding,who have proved themselves as great catchers of all game, thats my tuppence worth,, There are dogs out there that are just a shade off the speed of a track dog that have more wind and will run to catch and catch to kill. Quote Link to post
riohog 5,701 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 Cant agree with that poacher, sometimes a lurcher strain needs an injection of pure blood and the right Greyhound blood will help a strain of lurcher level out , breed true to type add the necessary dash for generations. Every few generaions or so a influx of Grey Blood, Saluki Blood, Deerhound Blood ie Pure Blood helps a strain along depending what you want out of your stock. Where do all these purebreds get their injection to help them along or are they immune to this theory based on the sole fact that they are "pure blooded"? if the pure stuff is line bred to hopefully keep the rquird qualities . eventually it wil become to saturated and may /probebly start to couse problems .. the only answer is to outcross to unrelated pure stuff ...but like all livestock woud be difficult to predict the result , in just 1 generation of outcross.efectivly you start another line.! Quote Link to post
Dan Edwards 1,134 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 if the pure stuff is line bred to hopefully keep the rquird qualities . eventually it wil become to saturated and may /probebly start to couse problems .. the only answer is to outcross to unrelated pure stuff ...but like all livestock woud be difficult to predict the result , in just 1 generation of outcross.efectivly you start another line.! What is required before we can all agree that a dog is pure? Is it some kinda fancy paperwork? Quote Link to post
riohog 5,701 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 if the pure stuff is line bred to hopefully keep the rquird qualities . eventually it wil become to saturated and may /probebly start to couse problems .. the only answer is to outcross to unrelated pure stuff ...but like all livestock woud be difficult to predict the result , in just 1 generation of outcross.efectivly you start another line.! What is required before we can all agree that a dog is pure? Is it some kinda fancy paperwork? yeah ok i see what your saying .. be very difficult to answer that . Quote Link to post
no1 jibber 31 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 The amount of lurchers about now a days their is no need watso ever to go back to pure greyhounds the good strains of pure saluki are imho a much better prospect to put into lurchers rather than loose stamina and durabilty by going back to raceing dogs. :clapper: :clapper: you get f*****g worse dell :laugh: 1st its lurcher to lurcher only now its go back to a pure saluki :whistling: so your basically saying all 3/4 breds in any cross are pointless nowadays and should be 1/4 whatever used 1/4 grey and 1/2 saluki??? TOTAL BOLLOCKS!!!!! :doh: Yes lurcher to lurcher all the way but why then breed them back to greyhounds to loose stamina and running ability but then your the exspert stewie so you know wats best. so what your getting at is greyhounds are usless and no good at all, well thats bolloks seen greyhounds work and they are handy animals in the right hands. Quote Link to post
Dan Edwards 1,134 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 yeah ok i see what your saying .. be very difficult to answer that . Yepper! Quote Link to post
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