Coursing Greyhound versus Racing Greyhound

[hang & bang 114]

But does it really matter you are only putting the greyhound into the mix to add speed.

 

 

good point mate

but every little % matters even if it means ye get one more run on the night could be the diffrence in nailing a fox or a dog that is unable to run it every little helps and breeding from the best matters , as i said at the start of the topic im no expert...

[Moorman 1 1,359]

But does it really matter you are only putting the greyhound into the mix to add speed.

 

 

good point mate

but every little % matters even if it means ye get one more run on the night could be the diffrence in nailing a fox or a dog that is unable to run it every little helps and breeding from the best matters , as i said at the start of the topic im no expert...

 

Surely the other part of the cross i.e.collie,bull whatever your choice will add the stamina/hybrid vigour etc, the endurance the the mix.

[hang & bang 114]

But does it really matter you are only putting the greyhound into the mix to add speed.

 

 

good point mate

but every little % matters even if it means ye get one more run on the night could be the diffrence in nailing a fox or a dog that is unable to run it every little helps and breeding from the best matters , as i said at the start of the topic im no expert...

 

Surely the other part of the cross i.e.collie,bull whatever your choice will add the stamina/hybrid vigour etc, the endurance the the mix.

 

 

yes 100% but id like to be able to squeez every little bit extra that i can from the hound side

[asha 48]

for what its worth just lined gh to my dh.the bitches dam.unliklymate.bretlee.unlikly anne x sire lughill angel.larkhill music.advantage johny.from what the gh man says well bred bitch.any info would help cheers

[martinabley 4]

it is true some track dogs have taken to coursing successfully, but on the other hand a lot of cast off track dogs have had a go at entering the coursing field and died of exhaustion . track dogs run 220 or 440 some will do 600 metres. in coursing the hare is given at least 100 yards before the dogs are slipped. A. Atmore used to waite for ever giving the dogs massive slips to make up. if the hare has 150 yard lead the dogs will have nearly done 300 to 400 yards to turn the hare , then if its a good strong hare the dogs course for a couple of more turns, they are covering a lot of ground , a lot further than 440 round a track. Then if its a 32 or 16 dog stake they have to do it again the same day to get into the next round. if a greyhound is coursing bred it must be superior to a track bred dog.

i think one reason some people have good reports about Hancock dogs is because he used to get coursing bred cast offs from john leatham, producing superior dogs, than what he breeds out of track bred cast offs.

[mossyh07 64]

it is true some track dogs have taken to coursing successfully, but on the other hand a lot of cast off track dogs have had a go at entering the coursing field and died of exhaustion . track dogs run 220 or 440 some will do 600 metres. in coursing the hare is given at least 100 yards before the dogs are slipped. A. Atmore used to waite for ever giving the dogs massive slips to make up. if the hare has 150 yard lead the dogs will have nearly done 300 to 400 yards to turn the hare , then if its a good strong hare the dogs course for a couple of more turns, they are covering a lot of ground , a lot further than 440 round a track. Then if its a 32 or 16 dog stake they have to do it again the same day to get into the next round. if a greyhound is coursing bred it must be superior to a track bred dog.

i think one reason some people have good reports about Hancock dogs is because he used to get coursing bred cast offs from john leatham, producing superior dogs, than what he breeds out of track bred cast offs.

 

He's doing abit of slipping over here now. Fcuking useless! Very inconsistant and cannot judge a hare at all.

[Guest stewie]

very interesting thread this stabs mate :thumbs: as some of you will no ive had the young bluehound for a while now with two thoughts in my mind 1 to work him and 2 to breed with my bull cross bitch in the future so i can safely say i no the greyhound blood is up to the job!! i got him out of a rescue but ive finally tracked his breeder down and been up to see him today and to say im happy with the breeding is an understatement!!!!the vet said he had broke his hock but it turns out his hock is fine it was the tendon covering the hock he broke so there is no worrys about the bone at all :toast: the rest of the litter are coming on very well i saw his brother storm home tonight in his second ever race (as staffs riff raff will confirm) and the bloke said if it wasnt for him injuring himself it would of been my dog up there as he was his pick off the litter!!!! he knew he would NEVER race at his full potential because of the old injury so thats why he handed in him to the dogs home but he is perfectly fine for lamping and ferreted rabbits in the day and at the same time if the dog was fully fit and doing well on the track he would NEVER have seen a lurcher bitch!!!! i wont give out the blokes name as it wouldnt be fair on him BUT he is 70 years old and had greyhounds all his life and his dad and grandad did before him so id guess its fair to say he wouldnt breed unless the mating was well worth doing and DEFO wouldnt say this dog was the pick of the litter if he wasnt!!!! the dog is 17 months old now and is coming on well. he has only had a handful of rabbits but he is loving the whole hunting game in general!! he has got a good nose, will go in cover and is sound with other dogs. we use him as a lurcher and he acts like one in many ways i really think to many people think to much about what else is in there dog apart from the greyhound side without knowing to much about greyhounds as i was guilty of myself untill i got him

his dam

 

him with dam

 

with litter sister

 

another litter sister

 

with litter brother

 

some rabbits with my bitch

 

his 1st single rabbit in the day

 

and a good shot of him on his own

 

so touch wood ill have a dog worth breeding off in a few years time that i now know everything about only time will tell but so far the early stages are looking good!!!!

 

i guess my answer to the question would be there are greys who can do both!!! they are out there its just finding them :thumbs:

[3 Turns 326]

IVE HAD A FEW MYSELF MATE BUT THERE NO LIKE LURCHERS .IVE HAD SOME CRAZY FXXXXXXS CATCH BUNNIES NAE PROBS HARES DIFFRENT KETTLE . NO RETRIVE EVER AND ALWAYS DEAD MOSTLY SMASHED OR HALF CONSUMED.

[roodog 3]

he looks like he was excited about getting his first single rabbit in the day.

[staffs riffraff 1,068]

just an update on the thread to confirm what stewie said we had a good day out and to meet a guy as knowledgeable and sound as he was were a pleasure they dont make them like this guy anymore. he had an awesome setup could tell you everything you wanted to know about greyhounds and certainly kept some good blood in his kennels and certainly wouldnt keep anything approaching average like alfies litter brother proved by blitzing to win in his second race against other more experianced dogs so we getting alfies fitness up so unless you get one with very good natural wind surely it comes down to how the dogs been trained to run ie track full out speed to lamping runningshort bursts a number of times. We bougfht his sister back as she not running out the traps properly and running with other dogs but she keen on hunting so we will see if we can get that heart out like alfie when he puts everything into it

[boyo 1,398]

i work lurchers and race greyhounds and in the last 25 years have bred 3 litters using a greyhound stud and without exception what they have always threw is speed and heart to want their quarry above all else . the one litter i bred was seven eights greyhound and 1 eighth pit bull and the whole litter were top class but did run up vets bills like no tomorrow .this litter had plenty of wind but what you have to remember although they were nearly all greyhound they were brought up properly and conditioned for working and were worked hard 2 of them are still in my home town in fact a member on here owns one of them another went to middlsborough and was pulling larger quarry timid and nasty at 13 months old my own had big bambi at 12 months old this litter and the other two litters were out of track greyhounds i have recently bred my racing bitch to a full saluki .pups now 7 months old if they end up like previous litters i will be well pleased but a long way to go yet .so to end i personally dont really think it matters coursing or track for breeding a lurcher what is more important is good feet bone and heart the last most greyhounds have in abundance anyway .

[staffs riffraff 1,068]

thats right if you condition a dog properlyt it should do the job you want so it doesnt matter if you ask me but 2 different dogs one bred for speed and the other endurance and both the same training them obviously the one bred for stamina will go further but when its the same dog basicly then its mostly the individual

[boyo 1,398]

if your breeding a greyhound with a saluki or collie or most other breeds then the stamina should come in abundance from the other side anyway . the differance between a coursing or track greyhound is going to be minimal when breeding a lurcher out of them .

[Country Joe 1,411]

Don't think it really matters, ive seen coursing and track greyhounds used, and don't think there is much difference in the working abilities of the offspring,

Interestingly I was at a Scottish coursing meeting a number of years ago, and some track Dogs from NGRC Powderhall took part, and some of these ran better races than the coursing dogs, and one or two had never seen a live Hare.

[poacher3161 1,766]

The amount of lurchers about now a days their is no need watso ever to go back to pure greyhounds the good strains of pure saluki are imho a much better prospect to put into lurchers rather than loose stamina and durabilty by going back to raceing dogs.