Coursing Greyhound versus Racing Greyhound

[roodog 3]

Not sure how many of you get Earth Dog Running Dog but mine arrived yesterday and I read Dave Sleight's article with great interest.

 

When it comes to the production of a lurcher, assuming you're using a greyhound, what would you consider the best type to use?

 

I've long considered this one and I've asked a lot of lads with much better knowledge of greys than me for their opinions over the years.

 

So what would you use assuming you had access to both?

 

it comes down to genetics, both codes of hounds will produce dogs with high and low drives,

you breed from the right line of track dogs with proven genes the result will be as good as anything from average coursing bred lines

a lot of coursing bred lines tend to be powerhouses of dogs with plenty of muscle mass, bred to give maximum speed over a relativly short distance, ideal for what it does, but may not be as supple a animal as what is needed to breed into something expected to run a bunny 20 or 30 times a night,,But for running bigger stuff maybe what you need,,

remember they have been selected to run in pairs for the last couple of hundred years as well. you dont have to be as agile, or worry about over shooting if there is another one of you cutting the turn.

adam

 

sorry not sure what you getting at there,,strange dogs dont think in pairs , otherwise there wouldn't be a race,,

im talking more about how their physical attributes work together not their mental drive. agility, speed etc. the style in which they work. to me if your going to breed a dog/s that are going to catch a hare you can either choose to do it with speed or distance. when your breeding a dog thats ment to run as a pair, your selection criteria would be diferent to someone who is trying to breed a one out dog. giving up turning for speed for example. which would be a fault in a single handed dog, over shooting through a turn looses the dog alot of ground. but in a pair its not a fault because the second dog can cut the turn and still put pressure on the hare. think about the history of coursing as a formalisation of hunting, insted of a race.

Edited November 19, 2010 by roodog

[romany52 313]

It makes no difference other than size, in both coursing and racing greyhounds the best dogs are the fastest dogs, both disciplines are a test of speed.The best greyhounds for lurcher breeding are dogs that have been worked and proved they can do the job.

[3 Turns 326]

IF I WAS USEING A GREW FOR BREEDING ID GO FOR THE SMALLER OF THE TYPE .

ID BE LOOKING FOR ONE WITH A BROAD BACK. GOOD FEET AND HOCKS 24IN/25 NOT ONE OF THE BIG DININGTABLE JOBS.SO PROBOBLY X TRACK OPEN CLASS.

[whip x grey 276]

i know what ur saying mate,s on greyhound size,,,,,but in the game size in greyhounds dont matter ( either they have it or not )

 

my brother has a bitch out off ningbo jack,,,,,i keep telling him to breed to a lurcher,,,,,but that might be other story,,,he,s got a bitch sarah house out off ningbo jack x septemer dawn,,,,,,ive always said he should put to a good whippet or lurcher

 

iam not 100% sure ,,,,but i hear ningbo jack gets used to coursing bitch greys ????? not sure but thats the rumuor i hear,,,,ningbo jack big greyhound ,,,but boy can he trap for a big greyhound

 

part 1

 

part 2

 

 

link to part 1,2 and 3 off the great ningbo jack

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F15410FA7DCED363&playnext=1&v=8zaAUCcNk2Q

[Blue one 89]

Nowdays Coursing stock 90% of the time are to Big to actually work their Quarry as they are -110LBS In weight.

They are predominantly built for total speed out of slips up a field over 400m or so , this is called park coursing.

In Britain the game was slightly different, open coursing was the order of the day where the Greyhounds scored points not only for pace but also for working ability, these greyhounds were a lot smaller 56-76lbs.

Go back 100 years or so and they were 40-58lbs the Greats such as Master Magrath, Fullerton, Little Shoe ect , these hounds could really work their Quarry.

 

Nowdays unless you can find a well bred coursing bitch of no more than 64-66lbs id forget it, chances are she will throw to big as her genes will probably dictate this.

Imo best go for a well bred track staying-marathon bitch with perfect temprement, atitude and conformation.

..

 

Spot on, best post on this thread.

[Casso 1,261]

Not sure how many of you get Earth Dog Running Dog but mine arrived yesterday and I read Dave Sleight's article with great interest.

 

When it comes to the production of a lurcher, assuming you're using a greyhound, what would you consider the best type to use?

 

I've long considered this one and I've asked a lot of lads with much better knowledge of greys than me for their opinions over the years.

 

So what would you use assuming you had access to both?

 

it comes down to genetics, both codes of hounds will produce dogs with high and low drives,

you breed from the right line of track dogs with proven genes the result will be as good as anything from average coursing bred lines

a lot of coursing bred lines tend to be powerhouses of dogs with plenty of muscle mass, bred to give maximum speed over a relativly short distance, ideal for what it does, but may not be as supple a animal as what is needed to breed into something expected to run a bunny 20 or 30 times a night,,But for running bigger stuff maybe what you need,,

remember they have been selected to run in pairs for the last couple of hundred years as well. you dont have to be as agile, or worry about over shooting if there is another one of you cutting the turn.

adam

 

sorry not sure what you getting at there,,strange dogs dont think in pairs , otherwise there wouldn't be a race,,

im talking more about how their physical attributes work together not their mental drive. agility, speed etc. the style in witch they work. to me if your going to breed a dog/s that are going to catch a hare you can either choose to do it with speed or distance. when your breeding a dog thats ment to run as a pair, your selection criteria would be diferent to someone who is trying to breed a one out dog. giving up turning for speed for example. which would be a fault in a single handed dog, over shooting through a turn looses the dog alot of ground. but in a pair its not a fault because the second dog can cut the turn and still put pressure on the hare. think about the history of coursing as a formalisation of hunting, insted of a race.

 

why can you not have pace and wind in the same animal when your thinking bout catching not racing, anyone who is serious about catching wont breed an animal just to work to as a pair,their thinking bout the complete package, turning isnt a fault, its how a course develop's , an experienced dog will read his hare on every turn, and has learned through experience exactly how to play it,

coursing to me is a dog against a hare , and only since money got involved became a race between two dogs, but neither hounds in a course were ever bred to catch the hare only race each other,,

Edited November 19, 2010 by Casso

[3 Turns 326]

i know what ur saying mate,s on greyhound size,,,,,but in the game size in greyhounds dont matter ( either they have it or not )

 

my brother has a bitch out off ningbo jack,,,,,i keep telling him to breed to a lurcher,,,,,but that might be other story,,,he,s got a bitch sarah house out off ningbo jack x septemer dawn,,,,,,ive always said he should put to a good whippet or lurcher

 

iam not 100% sure ,,,,but i hear ningbo jack gets used to coursing bitch greys ????? not sure but thats the rumuor i hear,,,,ningbo jack big greyhound ,,,but boy can he trap for a big greyhound

 

NICE DOGS MATE .JUST GAVE AWAY A WEE BLUE BITCH I GOT FROM DERRY .CLOES LUCK ITS OUT OF TOP HONCHO LINE . ITS RACES ARE ON NET WAS GOING TO PUT MY S/B/G TO IT BUT DECIDED NO TO BOTHER.JUST WASNT WHAT I WAS LOOKIG FOR.

[Casso 1,261]

i know what ur saying mate,s on greyhound size,,,,,but in the game size in greyhounds dont matter ( either they have it or not )

 

my brother has a bitch out off ningbo jack,,,,,i keep telling him to breed to a lurcher,,,,,but that might be other story,,,he,s got a bitch sarah house out off ningbo jack x septemer dawn,,,,,,ive always said he should put to a good whippet or lurcher

 

iam not 100% sure ,,,,but i hear ningbo jack gets used to coursing bitch greys ????? not sure but thats the rumuor i hear,,,,ningbo jack big greyhound ,,,but boy can he trap for a big greyhound

 

NICE DOGS MATE .JUST GAVE AWAY A WEE BLUE BITCH I GOT FROM DERRY .CLOES LUCK ITS OUT OF TOP HONCHO LINE . ITS RACES ARE ON NET WAS GOING TO PUT MY S/B/G TO IT BUT DECIDED NO TO BOTHER.JUST WASNT WHAT I WAS LOOKIG FOR.

Who did ya get her off in Derry bud

[whip x grey 276]

i know what ur saying mate,s on greyhound size,,,,,but in the game size in greyhounds dont matter ( either they have it or not )

 

my brother has a bitch out off ningbo jack,,,,,i keep telling him to breed to a lurcher,,,,,but that might be other story,,,he,s got a bitch sarah house out off ningbo jack x septemer dawn,,,,,,ive always said he should put to a good whippet or lurcher

 

iam not 100% sure ,,,,but i hear ningbo jack gets used to coursing bitch greys ????? not sure but thats the rumuor i hear,,,,ningbo jack big greyhound ,,,but boy can he trap for a big greyhound

 

NICE DOGS MATE .JUST GAVE AWAY A WEE BLUE BITCH I GOT FROM DERRY .CLOES LUCK ITS OUT OF TOP HONCHO LINE . ITS RACES ARE ON NET WAS GOING TO PUT MY S/B/G TO IT BUT DECIDED NO TO BOTHER.JUST WASNT WHAT I WAS LOOKIG FOR.

 

 

somtimes,s these type off dog,s arent what pll,s are looking for i.e speed height and prey drive,,,,,i could have put any greyhound up on link,,,,,but choose ningbo jack as he,s modern ,,,,and has 81 races on greyhound data,,,,that doesnt count the races he he has run that hasnt been recorded,,,,,,how many coursing greys,???? have competed in 81 coursing competions,,,,,it comes as no suprise,,,,to hear ningbo jack might be put to coursing greyhound bitches,,,,as his feet and hocks and other,,,,must be 2nd to none,,,,,his starting abbillitie is without 2nd to none

[3 Turns 326]

MCGLAUCHLAN

[whip x grey 276]

austrain ,,,,,breed from track greys, sire sammy mint

[Casso 1,261]

MCGLAUCHLAN

 

 

tom or the father, didn't think he kept honcho lines

[Casso 1,261]

3 turns is a complete bullshitter..he wouldn't know if a one'd dog was walking towards or away from him,,

[whip x grey 276]

3 turns is a complete bullshitter..he wouldn't know if a one'd dog was walking towards or away from him,,

 

 

could be mate ,,, when he was on about Mclachlan,,,, i thought he meant greyhound,,,,ur post u thought breeder or owner

 

which doesnt matter as if it was grey ???? Mclachlan was breed out off a track austrain greyhound

 

never mind,,,,3 turns got me confused for just a few secounds i wish he,,ll come back on to tell me or you ,,,if Mclachlan was his choice off coursing grey or owner as iam abit puzzeled

[Plong 21]

There's been plenty of dogs breed for the track that have won coursing meetings after failing to run on the track. I think is more important to have a dog that can turn tight than weather it's a track dog or coursing dog. Some greyhounds will lead up any dog but on the first turn end up twenty lengths behind and I have seen this in both track bred and coursing bred dogs.