Ray Mears 272 Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 bit heavey though ay Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snoopdog 1,256 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 I WENT TO THAT YORK HUNT AND THE DOG HAD A DOUBLE HONESTLY IT WAS A CRACKING DOG BUT IT WAS A FAIR BIT LEANER....I BET THERE FROM THE SAME LITTER...IT WAS THE SAME AGE AND EVERTHING... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Mears 272 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 lol i hope you did not give him a grilling about breeding that to lol you got msn mate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snoopdog 1,256 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 MSN?? YOU HAVE LOST ME. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Mears 272 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 you dont have it i have been out and had a quick shine about come back and you lot was still at it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snoopdog 1,256 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 IAM THICK WITH THIS COMP PALAVER..MSN?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DeanD 3 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 so your saying that its better to breed off an experienced dog than a novice as the experienced its learned is passed down ?? but all you can pass down is the ability to work and learn .if you get 2 of the best working dogs in the world and breed off them and then put the pups into a pet home they will never be workers but get some mongrel and put it into a working enviroment it will do the job.you cant pass down things that have been learnt because if that was the case there would be no need to teach children anything if their parents already know it It doesn't pass the actual experience the parent had on... but I think its like a dormant shadow of memory. Kinda like de'ja'vu maybe... have you ever wondered where that comes from when it happens to You? It helps the pup to learn on given experiences quicker. jmo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Mears 272 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 NOOOOO! YOU HAVE STARTED HIM OFF AGEN JUST LEAVE IT SNOOP LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snoopdog 1,256 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 so your saying that its better to breed off an experienced dog than a novice as the experienced its learned is passed down ?? but all you can pass down is the ability to work and learn .if you get 2 of the best working dogs in the world and breed off them and then put the pups into a pet home they will never be workers but get some mongrel and put it into a working enviroment it will do the job.you cant pass down things that have been learnt because if that was the case there would be no need to teach children anything if their parents already know it It doesn't pass the actual experience the parent had on... but I think its like a dormant shadow of memory. Kinda like de'ja'vu maybe... have you ever wondered where that comes from when it happens to You? It helps the pup to learn on given experiences quicker. jmo CORRECT.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
welshhound2 20 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 :drink:page 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snoopdog 1,256 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 :drink:page 9 :welcomeani: I HOPE YOUR GOING TO GIVE YOUR VIEW.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
welshhound2 20 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 :drink:page 9 :welcomeani: I HOPE YOUR GOING TO GIVE YOUR VIEW.. me hips a splitting poor lsd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Mears 272 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 (edited) right thats it here we go for all of you who was asking about how it is passed on though genes good breeder will have a basic understanding of the science of genetics. Everything about your prospective puppies-health, soundness, looks, temperament-will be determined by the genes passed on by their parents, and by their parents before them. Therefore, the selection of a mating pair should not be made on the basis of the dog's or bitch's looks (or temperament, or soundness, and so forth) alone, but should be based on an understanding of how the animal's genes contributed to its looks, and of how those genes are passed on and expressed. That is why it is essential to study the pedigrees of your mating pair. The more knowledge you have as you make your selection, the more likely you are to produce a litter with the qualities you desire. You must also be well-versed in the genetic problems that affect your breed. Genetic defects can occur in any breed and can affect any system in the body. Some genetic diseases may occur in many breeds, others occur in only one or a few breeds. The following is a brief explanation of how genetic defects may be inherited and expressed. Diseases that follow a dominant pattern of inheritance need only one abnormal gene. That is, if only one parent is affected, the condition will show up in each successive generation. Some individuals may be only mildly affected with the condition, making it difficult to detect. In such cases, the condition can mistakenly be thought to skip generations. Diseases that follow a recessive pattern of inheritance occur in homozygous(i think thats how you spell it)individuals, meaning dogs with two abnormal genes. Dogs with one mutant and one normal gene are heterozygous, and they are carriers of the condition. They appear normal but can pass the abnormal gene to their offspring. Recessive mutant genes can be passed through many generations before emerging in the offspring of two dogs that carry the same genetic mutation. Polygenic disorders result from the action of a number of different genes. The exact number of genes involved and their individual functions are difficult to determine, and the pattern of inheritance tends to vary from family to family. Polygenic inheritance can sometimes mimic either dominant or recesive inheritance, and this feature may lead to conclusions regarding the type of underlying genetic abnormality. Chromosomal anomalies -- defects in chromosome number and structure-can also cause genetic diseases. Dogs normally have 39 pairs of chromosomes on which genes are located. Major abnormalities in chromosome number and structure can produce serious defects e.g like 3 legged dogs and s**T Whether you inbreed linebreed, or outcross may have an effect on the incidence of genetic disease in the offspring. Inbreeding is the mating of two individuals that are related through one or more common ancestors. The closest form of inbreeding involves parent-child and brother-sister matings.(witch is pritty sick lol) Linebreeding, a form of inbreeding, usually involves mating more distantly related dogs. The rate of pollygenic and recessively inherited diseases tends to increase with inbreeding, because the chance that the two animals carry the same mutation is greater when the dogs are related. Outcrossing is the mating of two dogs of the same breed that are otherwise virtually unrelated. i have dug this up from ages ago hope some one might find it intreasting THATS EVERY THING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT BEING A RESPONSIBLE BREEDER I THINK JUST ABOUT LOL Edited January 2, 2007 by whippet boy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snoopdog 1,256 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 WELL THATS ME FOLKS ENJOYED THAT ...GOOD THREAD GOOD CHAT ..GOOD COMPANY...NICE CHATTING TO YOU WHIPPET BOY ...AND I STILL THINK IT NEEDS ANOTHER SEASON UNDER ITS BELT... : WHAT DO YOU THINK . right thats it here we go for all of you who was asking about how it is passed on though genes good breeder will have a basic understanding of the science of genetics. Everything about your prospective puppies-health, soundness, looks, temperament-will be determined by the genes passed on by their parents, and by their parents before them. Therefore, the selection of a mating pair should not be made on the basis of the dog's or bitch's looks (or temperament, or soundness, and so forth) alone, but should be based on an understanding of how the animal's genes contributed to its looks, and of how those genes are passed on and expressed. That is why it is essential to study the pedigrees of your mating pair. The more knowledge you have as you make your selection, the more likely you are to produce a litter with the qualities you desire. You must also be well-versed in the genetic problems that affect your breed. Genetic defects can occur in any breed and can affect any system in the body. Some genetic diseases may occur in many breeds, others occur in only one or a few breeds. The following is a brief explanation of how genetic defects may be inherited and expressed. Diseases that follow a dominant pattern of inheritance need only one abnormal gene. That is, if only one parent is affected, the condition will show up in each successive generation. Some individuals may be only mildly affected with the condition, making it difficult to detect. In such cases, the condition can mistakenly be thought to skip generations. Diseases that follow a recessive pattern of inheritance occur in homozygous(i think thats how you spell it)individuals, meaning dogs with two abnormal genes. Dogs with one mutant and one normal gene are heterozygous, and they are carriers of the condition. They appear normal but can pass the abnormal gene to their offspring. Recessive mutant genes can be passed through many generations before emerging in the offspring of two dogs that carry the same genetic mutation. Polygenic disorders result from the action of a number of different genes. The exact number of genes involved and their individual functions are difficult to determine, and the pattern of inheritance tends to vary from family to family. Polygenic inheritance can sometimes mimic either dominant or recesive inheritance, and this feature may lead to conclusions regarding the type of underlying genetic abnormality. Chromosomal anomalies -- defects in chromosome number and structure-can also cause genetic diseases. Dogs normally have 39 pairs of chromosomes on which genes are located. Major abnormalities in chromosome number and structure can produce serious defects e.g like 3 legged dogs and s**T Whether you inbreed linebreed, or outcross may have an effect on the incidence of genetic disease in the offspring. Inbreeding is the mating of two individuals that are related through one or more common ancestors. The closest form of inbreeding involves parent-child and brother-sister matings.(witch is pritty sick lol) Linebreeding, a form of inbreeding, usually involves mating more distantly related dogs. The rate of pollygenic and recessively inherited diseases tends to increase with inbreeding, because the chance that the two animals carry the same mutation is greater when the dogs are related. Outcrossing is the mating of two dogs of the same breed that are otherwise virtually unrelated. i have dug this up from ages ago hope some one might find it intreasting THATS EVERY THING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT BEING A RESPONSIBLE BREEDER I THINK JUST ABOUT LOL I DONT NO ABOUT THAT LOL... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Mears 272 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 (edited) i think it needs another season under its belt to nice talkin to you aswell mate very intresting and knowledgeable man hope the new year brings you another chat as good as this one IT MIGHT HELP THE KID LOL Edited January 2, 2007 by whippet boy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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