deerhound

[Lost Generation 93]

No offense but that seems like a bit of a backward approach to breeding and the biggest reason our uk deerhound types don't match those in the US and AUS.

 

Surely better to breed deerhoundsX to deerhound X's worker to worker, if that had always been the way we would still have something of the qualities that deerhounds and greyhounds of old once had when they were all coursing hunting dogs.

 

What is the point of going to first cross time and time again when the quality of deerhounds and greyhounds for hunting gets poorer with every generation.

 

 

The deerhounds suck and the greyhounds suck so lets breed them together to try and get lucky. Breed a good huntin dog to a good huntin dog and you will be so far ahead. You dont need greyhound, collie, deerhound, saluki, wheaten, beddy or bulldog. Every time somebody makes a new first cross like these, they go in reverse. No amount of "hybrid vigour" can make up for the decades of breeding good dogs and culling out the shit. I see two huge problems with huntin dogs today and one is everybody keeps thinkin they can improve by making more first crosses and secondly nobody is culling the shit eaters. Instead alot of them are breeding them and making more of them. These good pups are born with it and by 6 to 8 months old you can tell which ones have it and which dont. By a 18 months old its so obvious as to be smackin you in the face but folks keep tellin themselves, "well we better give him one more try".

 

It's not about getting lucky Dan, there are breeders out there who consistently produce high quality working dogs from this kind of breeding. Greyhounds suck? Well I have owned and seen track and cousing bred greyhounds that absolutely murder game - the main problem I have had with greyhounds is that their speed makes them prone to foot and other injuries. Deerhounds suck? Well some do, and too many are kept by pet owners with no idea how to rear or condition a dog and these tend to be the narrow, weak looking ones seen at country shows and lure coursing demonstrations. That aside, there are plenty about which are killing big game in the UK, USA, Australia, South Africa and elsewhere. Deliberate crosses tend to give predicatability as well as hybrid vigour. It's fine breeding worker to worker but over time, most of these strains, regress to the mean, i.e. become more and more average and need an injection of pure-bred greyhound or deerhound or saluki blood to pep them up again. In the UK at the moment we have the best single-handed hare killing dogs the world has ever seen and some very, very good big game dogs - some from deliberate line-breeding and some from first or second crosses. I agree that too many indifferent dogs are bred from and most people who work dogs don't have much clue about breeding, but to make a good dog, you need the right raw material but also need to rear the dog properly and give it the experience it needs to master its job.

[Guest deerhound hunter]

[bunnys 1,228]

absolutely bang on there lost generation good ta see there his others on the site with the knowledge and foresight about good grafting dogs whatever there chosen quarry

[Guest deerhound hunter]

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

You give me the name of the breeder or the dog or whatever where there is a deerhound over here in the USA that is catchin and killin anything day after day. I will give you as much time as you need to find this person or dog cuz you are goin to need it. Be careful of the name you put down though cuz I might just know how f****n phony they are in real life.

 

I can promise you too that these coyote dogs that are doing it day after day do not ever need an injection of anything to keep them goin. They may be the "mean" of all the breedings and as a matter of fact I sure as f**k hope they are cuz they have been bred for 100 years to catch and kill coyotes and I can take one of my males and one of my females on my yard and breed them together and consistantly whip the fire out of any dreamer over here that thinks they are gonna take a greyhound and slap it in the kennel with a deerhound and produce what we are running. Its laughable at best to be honest. It would take a human being and entire lifetime of breeding greyhound to deerhound to come up with what we already have and still most likely they would fall short of what I can make in less than a year.

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

How many years and generations to be able to consistently come up with dogs like this breeding deerhound to greyhound in any percentage you want? Dogs like this run, catch, and kill coyotes every day over here in terrain like you see in the back ground. They dont smash their feet all to shit and they are damn near as fast as the fastest of track greyhounds. They have three times the amount of air in their lungs and they wont only fight as intense as any greyhound ever born but they bring a level of gameness with them that would match 90% of the best of bull greyhounds bred around the world. They dont need any injection of anything to make them better. What they need is the best of them bred to the best of them and culled ruthlessly as they already are by those of us who are serious. I wont deny that their are men over here that breed shit dogs cuz it happens all the time and it makes me laugh. I also wont deny there are men over here that keep feeding shit eater long after they have already proven to them that they are junk. That happens all over the world but it dont happen on my yard and it wont happen on the yards of the men that I like to deal with.

[Guest joely b]

will sort some photos out of pure deerhounds on game,, pre ban of course and you will like what you see

Edited November 16, 2010 by joely b

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

will sort some photos out of pure deerhounds on game,, pre ban of course and you will like what you see

 

I'd love to see it.

[Guest storm70]

lol mines is linebread 5 gens a own line and is a top bitch so were all the grandparents pure arkinglass if youse read the edrd you no who i am lol dan like your stamp a dog iam linning my bitch next year to a big wellbread minnshawx28inch dog they will make the grade and only keeping back for myself

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

lol mines is linebread 5 gens a own line and is a top bitch so were all the grandparents pure arkinglass if youse read the edrd you no who i am lol dan like your stamp a dog iam linning my bitch next year to a big wellbread minnshawx28inch dog they will make the grade and only keeping back for myself

 

Thats how you supposed to breed dogs.

[welshlady1 0]

How many years and generations to be able to consistently come up with dogs like this breeding deerhound to greyhound in any percentage you want? Dogs like this run, catch, and kill coyotes every day over here in terrain like you see in the back ground. They dont smash their feet all to shit and they are damn near as fast as the fastest of track greyhounds. They have three times the amount of air in their lungs and they wont only fight as intense as any greyhound ever born but they bring a level of gameness with them that would match 90% of the best of bull greyhounds bred around the world. They dont need any injection of anything to make them better. What they need is the best of them bred to the best of them and culled ruthlessly as they already are by those of us who are serious. I wont deny that their are men over here that breed shit dogs cuz it happens all the time and it makes me laugh. I also wont deny there are men over here that keep feeding shit eater long after they have already proven to them that they are junk. That happens all over the world but it dont happen on my yard and it wont happen on the yards of the men that I like to deal with.

i am sure we have just as good and just as game dogs capable of dealing with 25-40lb coyote over here especialy when you run them in teams Edited November 16, 2010 by welshlady1

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

This has all the makings of being a highly informative thread.

 

As of yet I have to side with my countryman,Dan ... either a dog has it or he doesn't.No amount of crossing is going to yield something better if the bases and foundations aren't met. That's why I drove 12 hours to get my Airedale pups ; they were straight out of proven working parents. End of story. When I buy fast coyote dogs, I go to parts of the country that are producing dogs I have seen that 'do'.

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

How many years and generations to be able to consistently come up with dogs like this breeding deerhound to greyhound in any percentage you want? Dogs like this run, catch, and kill coyotes every day over here in terrain like you see in the back ground. They dont smash their feet all to shit and they are damn near as fast as the fastest of track greyhounds. They have three times the amount of air in their lungs and they wont only fight as intense as any greyhound ever born but they bring a level of gameness with them that would match 90% of the best of bull greyhounds bred around the world. They dont need any injection of anything to make them better. What they need is the best of them bred to the best of them and culled ruthlessly as they already are by those of us who are serious. I wont deny that their are men over here that breed shit dogs cuz it happens all the time and it makes me laugh. I also wont deny there are men over here that keep feeding shit eater long after they have already proven to them that they are junk. That happens all over the world but it dont happen on my yard and it wont happen on the yards of the men that I like to deal with.

i am sure we have just as good and just as game dogs capable of dealing with 25-40lb coyote over here a good dogs a good dog no matter how its bred

 

 

Based on what ? What is your litmus test for asserting this ? Not for nothing ,but after having hunted them for over 25 years in all forms and fashion...they are a creature unto themselves.I'm not bashing what you guys do. I'd love to come over watch a British patt. go to ground or go ferreting. But come on, the US is a big country with alot of diversity even with-in the same genus.A coyote here in Oklahoma is not the same coyote in Montana.

[welshlady1 0]

How many years and generations to be able to consistently come up with dogs like this breeding deerhound to greyhound in any percentage you want? Dogs like this run, catch, and kill coyotes every day over here in terrain like you see in the back ground. They dont smash their feet all to shit and they are damn near as fast as the fastest of track greyhounds. They have three times the amount of air in their lungs and they wont only fight as intense as any greyhound ever born but they bring a level of gameness with them that would match 90% of the best of bull greyhounds bred around the world. They dont need any injection of anything to make them better. What they need is the best of them bred to the best of them and culled ruthlessly as they already are by those of us who are serious. I wont deny that their are men over here that breed shit dogs cuz it happens all the time and it makes me laugh. I also wont deny there are men over here that keep feeding shit eater long after they have already proven to them that they are junk. That happens all over the world but it dont happen on my yard and it wont happen on the yards of the men that I like to deal with.

i am sure we have just as good and just as game dogs capable of dealing with 25-40lb coyote over here a good dogs a good dog no matter how its bred

 

 

Based on what ? What is your litmus test for asserting this ? Not for nothing ,but after having hunted them for over 25 years in all forms and fashion...they are a creature unto themselves.I'm not bashing what you guys do. I'd love to come over watch a British patt. go to ground or go ferreting. But come on, the US is a big country with alot of diversity even with-in the same genus.A coyote here in Oklahoma is not the same coyote in Montana.

pre ban some dogs were tested on things i wont mention on here i cant say dans dogs are shit or great ive not seen them just as you cant say they are gamer than our best dogs ATB

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

You're right...pre-ban is the disclaimer. What could you hunt pre-ban and does it equal what we have ? I'll give you an American euphemism...you can always make a fast horse go slow, but it's hard to make a slow horse go fast. In other words, if I have a dog that'll handle a coyote on it's own...what'ya think it'd do to a fox ?