Countryside Alliance and Coursing

[Foxgun Tom 75]

While visiting the 10th Annual National Countrysports Fair at Moira Northern Ireland I asked myself this question :whistle: : How come the Countryside Alliance (Ireland) heavily support and promote coursing!! there, and yet the CA did'nt do much for the cause here????? :aggressive: The CA picks and choses its strategy, and suits it to what they perceive to be important in that location. They did "feck all" to promote Coursing and Lurcher work in Scotland, England and Wales and yet their pushing the matter in Ireland why the disparity???? I would suggest it's all about money??? Its a relativley new organisation in Ireland and it needs the money to pay its highly inflated wage bill for those "Feckers in tweed and hunting pink" :realmad: to go on their highly expensive junkets , which gives no benefit to us ordinary guys :realmad: !!!! (anybody else agree??)

 

Tom

[Brummy 9]

Spot on Tom.............. they only really ever cared about those on horseback in my opinion ! They are just buttering their own bread and to hell with the rest of us.......... not a penny more from me that's for sure

 

Having said that. If it ensures that the Waterloo Cup and coursing in general can continue over there is it such a bad thing? They will only succeed in future if they learn to adopt a more aggressive lobbying style and INVEST in the right people whilst dropping their overtly "high brow" approach which only serves to alienate the membership and public at large

[Guest daz halford]

(anybody else agree??)

 

Tom

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[dEs 6]

Tom good mug shot of you in one of mondays papers.... you were wearing that hat with all your badges!?

[Guest baldie]

probarbly more to do with hunting brown hares is banned in NI, due to that angela somebody mp sneaking it in by the back door.

[bolio 51]

Baldie it's the Irish hare that was taken off the quarry list not the brown. I believe it comes up for review each year so whenever we get either a Conservative government in Westminster or a sympathetic Executive in Northern Ireland it can be overturned.

The brown hare survives in such a small area here that hunting them is hardly worth the bother.

For those who may not remember Angela Smyth was the ex league against cruel sports member put in charge of the environment in the North by B. Liar. She removed the Irish hare, lepus timidus hibernicus, from the quarry list, claiming falsely that it had been at the request of a professor at Queens University (I've forgotten his name) who was heading a research group into hare conservation at the time. Not only did the professor deny her claim, he announced that the Dungannon Coursing Club had received an award from the very same conservation group for their own efforts in hare conservation. It would appear that if you want to do well in B. Liars government the words, "consummate liar" need to be displayed on your C.V.

At the time the ban was brought in Irish hare numbers had already been on the increase from a previous slump and one way to keep it like this is to keep the numbers of foxes and grey crows in check as these take the baby leverets.

[dEs 6]

Yes a Special Protection Order was placed on the Irish Hare in 2003 (bottom line .. you can't kill one!)

 

Mightened be 100% here Bolio but, your right the order is reviewed every year, around Janurary i think, and then the minister can decide what to do. I think (not 100%) that Angela has now been placed in charge of Education and Jeff Rooker has now taken over the reigns for the enviroment and agriculture, which is excellent news as he voted against the ban on hunting in England and Wales, so hopefully the future is brighter. He also got a standing ovation at Balmoral Show due to his views on Agriculture etc. a man that actually knows what hes talkin about!

Now if Jeff Rooker does actually like hunting and has no plans for a ban i wouldn't really be bothered about the assembly getting up and running, as i've heard theres gonna be a push for a full ban on hunting here when it does.. and with Nolan Live last night, showing that video footage of the badger and lurcher, hunting was once again dragged through the gutter. However, we do seem to have support from alot of our MP's.

 

Another point Bolio, how would they actually prove your hunting the Irish hare and not a brown hare, what is the difference!? Have been told the Brown hares bigger, but i'd tend to disagree with that view to be honest. A man like yourself may know!

[bolio 51]

Howdy dEs. The problem would only arise if you were caught in posession I suppose. They can't stop you walking a lurcher on land you have permission to be on, but the difference is easy to spot. The brown hare has much longer ears and a different coat. The biggest hares I've caught have all been doe Irish hares and the smallest have all been white lepus timidus (blue hares in winter coat). I even caught a pure white Irish hare (lepus timidus hibernicus) in county Londonderry in the 's.

While the brown hare, in my experience, averages out a bit smaller than the Irish it remains the supreme test for a lurcher on this side of the atlantic.

[Guest baldie]

Thanks bolio, couldnt remember exactly, remember reading about it a while back, the irish hare sounds similar to the blue/mountain hare we have here, i live on the edge of the peak district, and its overun with them, and they also go to ground the crafty beggars!

[vulpicide 0]

While visiting the 10th Annual National Countrysports Fair at Moira Northern Ireland I asked myself this question :whistle: : How come the Countryside Alliance (Ireland) heavily support and promote coursing!! there, and yet the CA did'nt do much for the cause here????? :aggressive: The CA picks and choses its strategy, and suits it to what they perceive to be important in that location. They did "feck all" to promote Coursing and Lurcher work in Scotland, England and Wales and yet their pushing the matter in Ireland why the disparity???? I would suggest it's all about money??? Its a relativley new organisation in Ireland and it needs the money to pay its highly inflated wage bill for those "Feckers in tweed and hunting pink" :realmad: to go on their highly expensive junkets , which gives no benefit to us ordinary guys :realmad: !!!! (anybody else agree??)

 

Tom

Maybe the countryside alliance couldnt get anybody able to string two sentences together to speak on behalf of lurchers, there actually was a team of three people standing

by to speak on behalf of lurchers but the rural affairs comittee would not allow another evidence session due to lack of initial response this is what happens when people dont

want to join clubs and then when nobody represents them they scream blue murder that nobody spoke for them.The terriermen spoke for themselves nuff said.

[vulpicide 0]

While visiting the 10th Annual National Countrysports Fair at Moira Northern Ireland I asked myself this question :whistle: : How come the Countryside Alliance (Ireland) heavily support and promote coursing!! there, and yet the CA did'nt do much for the cause here????? :aggressive: The CA picks and choses its strategy, and suits it to what they perceive to be important in that location. They did "feck all" to promote Coursing and Lurcher work in Scotland, England and Wales and yet their pushing the matter in Ireland why the disparity???? I would suggest it's all about money??? Its a relativley new organisation in Ireland and it needs the money to pay its highly inflated wage bill for those "Feckers in tweed and hunting pink" :realmad: to go on their highly expensive junkets , which gives no benefit to us ordinary guys :realmad: !!!! (anybody else agree??)

 

Tom

Maybe the countryside alliance couldnt get anybody able to string two sentences together to speak on behalf of lurchers, there actually was a team of three people standing

by to speak on behalf of lurchers but the rural affairs comittee would not allow another evidence session due to lack of initial response this is what happens when people dont

want to join clubs and then when nobody represents them they scream blue murder that nobody spoke for them.The terriermen spoke for themselves nuff said.

[lurcher lass 9]

i think the CA concerntrated on fox hunting as this is what the anti's were mainly against . . i agree that they could have done more to help the lurcher world and tis a shame they didn't but all the more reason to start fighting back now by contacting our local MP's and explaining how the hunting act 2003 has failed

 

i have a topic on this "how to fight the hunting act, f*ck the ban - correctly" please read this topic and feel free to add any suggestions . .

 

all the very best Annemarie xxx

[neil cooney 10,416]

The fact and the law is that in the R.O.I. the only legal way to course a hare is with Greyhounds at a coursing meeting run under I.C.C. rules.

Simple as that. Hence hare coursing in Ireland is an organised sport and worth fighting for.