Secret breed history????

[madgerboy 11]

When i first went after my first black terrier i had got to know the person who had them,i then dug with them and seen the dogs that i wanted a pup from,this didnt happen over night and i had to prove my worth to them.It is all to easy now for money to buy instant success in sport and it seams in dogs{but does it}when all some one has to do is wright down a load of names which now adays is in most books that are wrote and sell there dogs on as out of this line.Also there are dogs that have been give out to terrier men that are not supposed to be passed on but for what ever reason they are and no ped is give with them but you cant ask the breeder because you should,nt have it.If you can trace who breed the dogs and know that you should have them ask the breeder.

 

Sam I've never met you but our mutual friend speaks very highly of you and your mates.I understand that your animals are top notch and you ve spent years working on them.I'd ask ye for advice on dogs anytime as I would equally ask our friend(even though hes a nut lol),yous lads are top of your game(regardless of what anyone says).

You d be first to agree I'm sure that good dogs from different lines don't gel.

The females our friend has are superb as ye know and I know that your genuine and honest and void of jealousy that dominates this game.

Please don't think I was referring to you in any way with regards to this thread.

[sammcc 229]

Thanks for the comments and at the start of the thread i did think it was leaning my direction but as it went on it became clear that it wasnt.In relation to worker to worker breeding thats fine as long as you are not in the terrier game for the long haul,there are men in this game that have dedicated there entire life to keeping and breeding there dogs the RIGHT way,men that have had marriage break ups,lost there jobs,and been on there uppers but still strived to do it the right way.What is the right way? who knows but if your digging some thing close to what you started with 30 years ago and there are other friends doing the same well it might not be the right way but its close.

[Cleanspade 3,322]

in the majority of cases its becouse the breeder doesnt know the pedigree. and in a lot of cases its becouse of underhand dealings. like breeding off a gift that was given on the understanding it wont be bred. the use of folks dogs unknown to the owner. breeding off loan dogs/bitches unknown to the owner.and no doubt a small percentage will be stolen or off stolen terriers.

 

i dont fall for this top lads wont give out peds. anyone that cant give you lines for there dogs. either dont know or have something to hide.

 

and another reason comes to mind. and thats outcrosses that the breeder wants to keep to himself. bull blood comes to mind.

 

having said the above. its probably better not knowing. than having a pedigree full of lie's lets face it hand on heart very few can be 100 percent certain that the names on there ped are the dogs that where used

[fmwtc 12]

But if the dog is a good worker then why not use him after all the whole purpose is to breed best to best after all you are only pleasing your self no one else if the pups turn out no good then so be it to live in the belief of a big name is best kind of attitude in my eyes is wrong I wouldn't hesitate to use any recent dog or bitch if it was up to the mark

[Miffy77 0]

Gotta say chaps the jury's out on this one ,bloody good thread ,with honest and truthful opinions!

 

There is no right or wrong just indifferences in opinions .............

[gonetoearth 5,144]

worker to worker don't guarantee all pups will work some will some wont, we all have differing opinions on terriers its all ways been that way if a piece of paper with names on floats your boat then so be it , the working terrier will survive because there will always be men who keep there own stuff and work them men who don't want notoriety or breed for money the do it for the sport the thrill of bringing a pup on then mating it with a dog or bitch they believe will produce as good as they already

have they live and breath terriers, , their still out there finding them is the problem for some

Edited November 8, 2010 by gonetoearth

[Night Hawk 1]

Can someone please explain to me why it's so hard to get ped info on dogs your working?

Now I understand the dog dealers not getting info as they peddle dogs under false peds,but when lads genuine lads who work and test their dogs and require info for breeding purposes for their own kennels so as what lines to cross back into Cant get info from lads who claim to know it ,in my mind only points to either jealousy or they ve something to hide.

This is not aimed at anyone but I don't understand this mentality as,for me the dogs we work and breed,for our own use are up to standard and if someone got a pup of me I'd gladly give them full honest ped as I've nothing to hide.

Maybe I'm missing something here but can someone please enlighten me?

[Night Hawk 1]

worker to worker don't guarantee all pups will work some will some wont, we all have differing opinions on terriers its all ways been that way if a piece of paper with names on floats your boat then so be it , the working terrier will survive because there will always be men who keep there own stuff and work them men who don't want notoriety or breed for money the do it for the sport the thrill of bringing a pup on then mating it with a dog or bitch they believe will produce as good as they already

have they live and breath terriers, , their still out there finding them is the problem for some

[Night Hawk 1]

I agree with GONETOEARTH that just because you breed out of to game terriers or lurchers doesnt mean all pups come good.My uncle once bred out of to of the best terriers i have ever seen in sixteen years of hunting three pups born one good two waste of time.Also two years ago we bred after his all round hound after my {rabbit only bitch{money would not buy these pups now as they are through all rounders.Last year we bred after same dog his all round bitch pups shite so as far as wanting to know dogs breeding lines unless buying close to home or in pure lines bullshite.If was a cross breed no one really nows only lies some one tells to sell pups.Unfortunatley.

[fionn 21]

To my mind very important.my mate dug a young dog the other day and despite trying to get info on the breeding it's not going to happen by the looks of things as it was a ads for free job,so If he keeps going as well as he's started he ll never be bred off.We know the breeding of our other dogs and have a rough idea what clicks so I know I won't be any part of a mating from a dog which no one knows anything about to any bitch who's family I know as he could be a sport and could mess up a whole line.Blood is everything.All this shit about as long as it's worker to worker is balls.If that was the case sure we d all have great dogs.There's lots of good/great lines of dogs but they don't all gel and it's difficult enough getting a high % of workers out of those that do.

working ability comes first line breeding is ok if there both workers but a lot of terriermen and peddlers

are breeding dog and bitches that are bred right but are not workers iv seen peds on other sites which are not true but then if a lad buys a pup he can only belive the man that bred it.in an ideal world working dog to working bitch of the same ancestory. if you bred a donkey to red run the foal wouldnt win the grand national.blood is like whiskey its no good water down.

[tinytiger 822]

To my mind very important.my mate dug a young dog the other day and despite trying to get info on the breeding it's not going to happen by the looks of things as it was a ads for free job,so If he keeps going as well as he's started he ll never be bred off.We know the breeding of our other dogs and have a rough idea what clicks so I know I won't be any part of a mating from a dog which no one knows anything about to any bitch who's family I know as he could be a sport and could mess up a whole line.Blood is everything.All this shit about as long as it's worker to worker is balls.If that was the case sure we d all have great dogs.There's lots of good/great lines of dogs but they don't all gel and it's difficult enough getting a high % of workers out of those that do.

working ability comes first line breeding is ok if there both workers but a lot of terriermen and peddlers

are breeding dog and bitches that are bred right but are not workers iv seen peds on other sites which are not true but then if a lad buys a pup he can only belive the man that bred it.in an ideal world working dog to working bitch of the same ancestory. if you bred a donkey to red run the foal wouldnt win the grand national.blood is like whiskey its no good water down.

 

 

but tisnt every man that can handle the pure drop.

[lee micheal kennels 12]

Can someone please explain to me why it's so hard to get ped info on dogs your working?

Now I understand the dog dealers not getting info as they peddle dogs under false peds,but when lads genuine lads who work and test their dogs and require info for breeding purposes for their own kennels so as what lines to cross back into Cant get info from lads who claim to know it ,in my mind only points to either jealousy or they ve something to hide.

This is not aimed at anyone but I don't understand this mentality as,for me the dogs we work and breed,for our own use are up to standard and if someone got a pup of me I'd gladly give them full honest ped as I've nothing to hide.

Maybe I'm missing something here but can someone please enlighten me?

 

 

Hi bud.The genuine lad,s.Wont talk about there dog,s to Strangers.These lad,s work in small pact,s and let now one in.Unless they bring you up as a youngster who has to earn his place by doing the bag work.Most of these guy,s have worked together for twenty on more year,s and been breeding of a few good line,s.atb. Catcher

very true