Secret breed history????

[madgerboy 11]

Can someone please explain to me why it's so hard to get ped info on dogs your working?

Now I understand the dog dealers not getting info as they peddle dogs under false peds,but when lads genuine lads who work and test their dogs and require info for breeding purposes for their own kennels so as what lines to cross back into Cant get info from lads who claim to know it ,in my mind only points to either jealousy or they ve something to hide.

This is not aimed at anyone but I don't understand this mentality as,for me the dogs we work and breed,for our own use are up to standard and if someone got a pup of me I'd gladly give them full honest ped as I've nothing to hide.

Maybe I'm missing something here but can someone please enlighten me?

[smasher 1,055]

Can someone please explain to me why it's so hard to get ped info on dogs your working?

Now I understand the dog dealers not getting info as they peddle dogs under false peds,but when lads genuine lads who work and test their dogs and require info for breeding purposes for their own kennels so as what lines to cross back into Cant get info from lads who claim to know it ,in my mind only points to either jealousy or they ve something to hide.

This is not aimed at anyone but I don't understand this mentality as,for me the dogs we work and breed,for our own use are up to standard and if someone got a pup of me I'd gladly give them full honest ped as I've nothing to hide.

Maybe I'm missing something here but can someone please enlighten me?

The reason its so hard to get peds off lads(certain lads)is because the said dog is not bred the way the PEDDLER has claimed,they will give you all the TALK but when they see your not the regular gobshite there used to peddling there dogs on,they wont back it up with a written pedigree,however if said dog turns out a goodun,then all of a sudden they have no problem telling anyone who will listen to them, how they have produced this great dog,sad but true.

[madgerboy 11]

Makes sense mate I got a great terrier of a lad a long time ago.the dog was killed at work and I phoned him to let him know he gladly gave me history of dog then......until he found out I had a pup on the ground from the dog then the story changed and the ped changed lol.

Jealousy and pride and the dominant begrudging attitude will be the ruination of solid peds.

Honesty ain't that common unfortunatly.

[Guest eastmids]

spot on for me lads.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

The other side of the coin is that lads are just plain wary of strangers ,i know i am .Lies and exagerations flow from one to another these days so why give fuel and more speculation to them .The only people entitled to a truthful insight are those that have proven themselves after time served on the shovel ,not just a bloke at the door . Those giving the ancestry of a boughten terrier are very loose lipped in my experience and many blatently having nothing of the sort in their yard ,they are to be steered away from .

[Alli 923]

THEY,VE GOT SOMTHING TO HIDE WOULD BE MY FIRST THOUGHT.

[Catcher 1 639]

Can someone please explain to me why it's so hard to get ped info on dogs your working?

Now I understand the dog dealers not getting info as they peddle dogs under false peds,but when lads genuine lads who work and test their dogs and require info for breeding purposes for their own kennels so as what lines to cross back into Cant get info from lads who claim to know it ,in my mind only points to either jealousy or they ve something to hide.

This is not aimed at anyone but I don't understand this mentality as,for me the dogs we work and breed,for our own use are up to standard and if someone got a pup of me I'd gladly give them full honest ped as I've nothing to hide.

Maybe I'm missing something here but can someone please enlighten me?

 

 

Hi bud.The genuine lad,s.Wont talk about there dog,s to Strangers.These lad,s work in small pact,s and let now one in.Unless they bring you up as a youngster who has to earn his place by doing the bag work.Most of these guy,s have worked together for twenty on more year,s and been breeding of a few good line,s.atb. Catcher

Edited November 7, 2010 by Catcher 1

[Guest busterdog]

I personally think it's got more to do with always being let down by people, my dogs don't let me down but people never fail to do so.

If i judge that someone is worthy of knowing what i know and the knowledge that it's taken me my entire adult (and most of my youth) life to know then i just might open the door for them, untill then they can all kiss my arse.

 

JUST MY TAKE ON THINGS.

[sammcc 229]

When i first went after my first black terrier i had got to know the person who had them,i then dug with them and seen the dogs that i wanted a pup from,this didnt happen over night and i had to prove my worth to them.It is all to easy now for money to buy instant success in sport and it seams in dogs{but does it}when all some one has to do is wright down a load of names which now adays is in most books that are wrote and sell there dogs on as out of this line.Also there are dogs that have been give out to terrier men that are not supposed to be passed on but for what ever reason they are and no ped is give with them but you cant ask the breeder because you should,nt have it.If you can trace who breed the dogs and know that you should have them ask the breeder.

[madgerboy 11]

That's the point I'm making Sam if ye have dogs and are trying to trace a ped for no other purpose than knowing or having an idea what to outcross to in future and the people who bred the dogs won't tell anyone even though the dogs where sold by these people why on earth won't they share the info?

[sammcc 229]

I am sorry i cant answer for other people, but if i deemed some one good enough to give a terrier to,[NOT SELL}then giving out the breeding and advice on future breeding if needed and asked for wouldnt be a problem.

[HGN 150]

read through this and the first word that came to mind was 'liars'

[moi654321 17]

but on the other hand, what if they are genuine and dont no does it matter if there just bred worker to worker, is it a must to know there lines

 

i believe bloodlines are everything,to achieve consistency in a line of terriers and to continue to produce a high percentage

of working progeny,certainly worker to worker is fine but not knowing the history behind the dogs your breeding from is a bit like a lucky dip,you will no doubt get workers from such matings ,but the key is will it reproduce workers?

you cannot in my opinion create a line of dogs in this manner.

i understand why true terriermen keep their cards close to their chest so to speak regarding breeding and dogs ancestory,too many people use bloodline names to make money from other peoples years of hard work and selective breeding from tested dogs.

you will find the true terriermen dont charge for pups and are so close knit that the circles they are in already know the breeding inside out and back to front, and know where the dogs they breed have been homed.

why would an outsider to these people need to know their breeding is my question???

its a kind of on a need to know basis,unless you are in these circles,you dont really need to know

unless of course youve come by the dog indirectly which has been known

[madgerboy 11]

To my mind very important.my mate dug a young dog the other day and despite trying to get info on the breeding it's not going to happen by the looks of things as it was a ads for free job,so If he keeps going as well as he's started he ll never be bred off.We know the breeding of our other dogs and have a rough idea what clicks so I know I won't be any part of a mating from a dog which no one knows anything about to any bitch who's family I know as he could be a sport and could mess up a whole line.Blood is everything.All this shit about as long as it's worker to worker is balls.If that was the case sure we d all have great dogs.There's lots of good/great lines of dogs but they don't all gel and it's difficult enough getting a high % of workers out of those that do.

[moi654321 17]

To my mind very important.my mate dug a young dog the other day and despite trying to get info on the breeding it's not going to happen by the looks of things as it was a ads for free job,so If he keeps going as well as he's started he ll never be bred off.We know the breeding of our other dogs and have a rough idea what clicks so I know I won't be any part of a mating from a dog which no one knows anything about to any bitch who's family I know as he could be a sport and could mess up a whole line.Blood is everything.All this shit about as long as it's worker to worker is balls.If that was the case sure we d all have great dogs.There's lots of good/great lines of dogs but they don't all gel and it's difficult enough getting a high % of workers out of those that do.

i agree with that mate