Good Black Dogs (Pattedales?) in the US?

[Jonathan Booth France 5]

 

Bad Bob ???? Another who never saw the Bruiser dog xpert try asking Aaron and Paul from Barnburner the owners about him instead of spouting lies and while you are at it ask them if my father would dream of asking for a cut ! and as The Name Twiggy is the real Joke from you ! proberbly one of the guys that left the Terrier shows in Ireland when my father arrived like sneaking off with Terrier club takings then comming on here and preaching your cowardly lies under many false names once we moved to France I think Mushray is right when he say's People who live in Glass houses

dont think u can stop people from talking, just ignore, just smile at them like your dad does .

Master of the Game It is nice to see some gentlemen on here my father did warn me about the many enominous backstabing liars bravely??? hideing behind a computer Which is why both my father and I have always shown exactly who we are without hiden prefixes It has been a real pleasure to corispond with the genuine only interested in hunting guys. Many of which now have my email as for the stay at home and slag off your far far betters type to hear their own voice !--- "I can well do without !" .So like my father I will no longer answer the lies and bull and keep to real hunting two or three times a week and keep away from these boards where some guys ?? can live in their own little bubble of importance and belive and make up what they like . For the Guys that enjoy you real hunting regardless what line or type of terrier you prefer away from keyboards Good Luck and God Bless,in Sport Jonathan Booth France

Edited December 9, 2010 by Jonathan Booth France

[dexterknl 1]

WTF is that trash thread lol

 

Please people get a life for godsake! Don't you have anything more interesting to do in the real life? like HUNTING I mean REAL HUNTING, not pretending HUNTING on internet.

 

I am not in the hunting since a long time but boy, it seems that many people don't really know what they are talking about.

 

Jon you worth better than that don't even reply to this, don't loose your time. Believe me it is all the same everywere (jaleous people, people who don't have a life, internet pretenders or those who know everything about everything but never seen anything lol...). When I have time to loose I come to those internet life people with popcorn and have a lot of fun reading them, but that's it, only entertaiment, nothing more nothing less.

 

Take care you and your family

Your friend

Dexterkennel

Edited December 9, 2010 by dexterknl

[oohmydog 82]

Interesting thread ,when you read it and see how it falls into turmoil sign of the times the observations i have made about terriers across the board .

The standered of working terriers as dropped at such a rate over the last 30yrs that if it carrys on the country will be infested with vermin i blame .money shows and a real enjoyment of terriers for what they are ,instead of ego making tools

[hedz31 1,308]

Still makes me chuckle how you americans cream and rage over nuttalls lines like there the be and end all of all working terriers, it must be sad that you have such a small gene pool of working lines to go on with,i am sure theres some decent lads in america have good working genuine terriers bred worker to worker sadly there is peddlars in the uk but jesus america is a peddlars paradise ive never seen so many bloody internet site selling supposed working terrier pups at the least the peddlars and puppy farmers havent got that far over here yet

regards hedz

[tinytiger 822]

One more thing TODD... If you reread your own post it kind of makes the point of people trying to recoup their investment. YOU had to drive far and pay money for a dog so therefore you feel justified in charging others. As I have stated before, get what you can from who you can, thats your right. But seriously how many people are gonna pay a grand for a puppy and then risk its life on serious digging?

 

 

sorry Ohiosteve, I guess I did not make myself clear. I will try again. You mentioned that you paid $1000 for your bulldog, I am sure you would say he is worth that, but if there was a way to test him, and you watched him fail that test. That dog would no longer be worth that amount of money. most of us know what it feels like to love a dog one minute, and then the next minute know that it is worthless.

 

What I was trying to say is that the type of person that would want to get his money back out of the worthless dog, is like the prostitute. Who would sell a worthless dog, just because they paid big money for him. They would also do it even if they paid little money for it.

 

How many of you have bought a new car and drove it off the parking lot and instantly lost $5000 or more. If you can take that loss why not take a loss of of the price of a dog.

 

I was also trying to compare the price of dogs in the USA were they are few and far between to the price in the UK were they are in every town.

 

On a side note, Robert gave me Milo for free and even paid to ship him to me. He never asked for anything in return. I did send him a daughter of Milo eight years later, but it was something I wanted to do. Todd

I know what you were trying to say TODD, and I do not disagree with that to an extent. A liar and a con artist is a liar and a con artist whether it be for 1 dollar or 1000 dollars. I still believe that the high dollar dogs get bred just because they are high dollar dogs much of he time. As for my bulldog, yes I payed 1000 for him, and I would gladly pay it again. I did test him as hard as I could legally ( some stuff probably borderline) and he has proven his worth several times over. BUT had he failed miserably I am not 100% sure that I have the strength of character to NOT have bred him to recoup some of the 1000 I spent. He has been bred, most given away and a few sold but for far less than 1000.

If the goal in the terriers is to produce the best, wouldn't it be better to put the dogs in the hands of diggers rather than sell them to weight pullers and fly ballers and pet homes? I know guys who dig quite a bit and have ZERO issues with culling a cur... they cannot afford $1000.00 for a puppy that MIGHT work. According to some, they do not deserve to have a good dog.

 

Like I mentioned earlier, I have only raised five pups this year, I still have four of them. But if you listen to people like Griz, you would think that I sell 1000 pups a year.

 

I can imagine being raised in the UK and hearing about the working terriers as a young lad, and then growing up and having someone give you a pup, but watching over you to see that you did right by the pup. Having gotten the pup from someone that you respected and wanted to immulate you would do the best you could to make them proud of the pup that they had bred and to not regret having given it to you. As the pup gets older and becomes a good worker that you are proud to own and the breeder is proud to know that he bred the dog and got you started off in the working terriers. You would develop character and respect, not only for the breeder of the dog, but the breeders behind that breeder as well as the four legged heros, whose names are recorded on the hand written pedigree that you have.

 

I was given Milo by a man that I respected a lot. I spent everyday trying to make him into the best dog that he could possibly be. I did not want him to ever regret that he had given him to me. I was excited when he was made a Field Champion and when he was given the Verminator Extradorinare award and I was excited when he was placed into the Patterdale Terrier Club of America's Hall of Fame. I was proud that he was still willing and able to work at almost 12 years old. I was happy to hear about his pups, grandpups, and great grandpups being such good workers. I was even proud of his pups being show champions, eventhough I stink at showing dogs and rarly even go to them. I was proud that his son was the no 8 weight pull dog in the country at one time and at the same time the first Patterdale to win a best in show at a UKC event, eventhough I had never been to a weight pull. I was proud to have sent pups out of him to several countries. If you have ever sent a dog to another country you would know that $1000 is a very cheap price for all you have to go through. I was also proud that eight years later I was able to send this man back a dog out of the dog he sent me. Milo was my dog, but he was bred by Robert Booth, and I never tried to hide that fact. He is recorded in the HOF as FC Robert Booth's Milo HOF not Fulford's and not Todd's Milo.

 

But the same things that made me proud of him, and made Robert not regret giving him to me, also made others want pups out of him. When you have 100 people wanting pups and you only have 3 or 4 pups the price automatically goes up. Just because you sell a dog for $1000 it does not mean that you are a bad person. Todd

 

Hi todd hows it going,how was milo bred ? and were mileo/milo the same dog?

[matulkoh 66]

When you have 100 people wanting pups and you only have 3 or 4 pups the price automatically goes up. Just because you sell a dog for $1000 it does not mean that you are a bad person. Todd

 

 

i did the same. i gave pups for FREE, i made pup exchange, most of them i sold for 200e, but i also sold pup over 1000eur, guy wanted the certain dog, do not want any other from the litter wanted to have the certain one and offer the money. am i a bad person or dog seller. i don t think so.

Edited December 9, 2010 by matulkoh

[DeanD 3]

Still makes me chuckle how you americans cream and rage over nuttalls lines like there the be and end all of all working terriers, it must be sad that you have such a small gene pool of working lines to go on with,i am sure theres some decent lads in america have good working genuine terriers bred worker to worker sadly there is peddlars in the uk but jesus america is a peddlars paradise ive never seen so many bloody internet site selling supposed working terrier pups at the least the peddlars and puppy farmers havent got that far over here yet

regards hedz

 

Me thinks if you keep saying that you will only believe it more and more everyday. You betcha all these terriers just popped up out of the ground over here one day.... name a line over there and I'm sure you'll find the same is already over here. Peddlers? The UK is the birthplace for many breeds... without being peddlers it makes you wonder how any of them ever got off that island eh?

 

*edited* because I let the twat (hedz31) bother me and I posted something I wouldn't normally post.

Edited December 9, 2010 by DeanD

[DeanD 3]

Perhaps this is a better response to the claim made by hedz31. Show us an American website with this many terriers advertised (notice that I only searched for the term "terrier" btw.) Imagine what I might find if I searched dog, pup or pups... probably loads of other dogs for sale too eh?

 

Now tell us again who are the peddlers?

 

http://www.loot.com/Search.aspx?catname=&catname=PETS&kw=terrier&loc=Postcode&rad=25&ti=&anything_search_submit=Search

[Guest busterdog]

I think what hedz was trying to say was that good working lines are being prostituted and the link you've put up is just for any old cur shite. I don't know you Dean and I'm not judging anyone but IMO money and working terriers should not mix.

[hedz31 1,308]

Perhaps this is a better response to the claim made by hedz31. Show us an American website with this many terriers advertised (notice that I only searched for the term "terrier" btw.) Imagine what I might find if I searched dog, pup or pups... probably loads of other dogs for sale too eh?

 

Now tell us again who are the peddlers?

 

http://www.loot.com/Search.aspx?catname=&catname=PETS&kw=terrier&loc=Postcode&rad=25&ti=&anything_search_submit=Search

ok fella show me a uk website like the american ones dedicated to selling proven working lines from well known working lines, ive seen a good dozen american websites dedicated to selling fell terriers (patterdales) now you show me one of the big names over here that has a website the link you put up is just an adds colum its not a website dedicated to selling a line

[hedz31 1,308]

Still makes me chuckle how you americans cream and rage over nuttalls lines like there the be and end all of all working terriers, it must be sad that you have such a small gene pool of working lines to go on with,i am sure theres some decent lads in america have good working genuine terriers bred worker to worker sadly there is peddlars in the uk but jesus america is a peddlars paradise ive never seen so many bloody internet site selling supposed working terrier pups at the least the peddlars and puppy farmers havent got that far over here yet

regards hedz

 

Me thinks if you keep saying that you will only believe it more and more everyday. You betcha all these terriers just popped up out of the ground over here one day.... name a line over there and I'm sure you'll find the same is already over here. Peddlers? The UK is the birthplace for many breeds... without being peddlers it makes you wonder how any of them ever got off that island eh?

 

*edited* because I let the twat (hedz31) bother me and I posted something I wouldn't normally post.

and i bet your terriers originate from stock over here probably nuttalls

[DeanD 3]

and i bet your terriers originate from stock over here probably nuttalls

 

And you would be mostly right in making that bet. And I'll bet your terrier can't work the most common quarry here with enough regularity to say it was proven. Maybe you could hunt brush piles or hay mows though... or at least flush game out to the lurchers maybe. Horses for courses and all that you know.

 

As for sites, well this site is one... a person only needs to make a donation in order to peddle their line(s) on here or do it for someone else. I'm pretty sure its dedicated to terriers and the like, and a good lot of them on there too. :kiss: You see, I don't have a problem with people selling pups... I have a problem with peddlers that want to call everyone else a peddler.

Edited December 10, 2010 by DeanD

[ohiolongarm 2]

It Seems to me to be a lot of Jelliousy My Father who has only ever bred one somtimes two litters a year has often refused great money for many Terriers including over 10.000 Euros for the great Bruiser dog and yet Gave him away as a already proven and awarded Hall of Fame Terrier and already proven work producing stud dog he like all the Terriers my father keeps was and still is an incredible finder and Worker that Killed every fox he saw and has stuck single handed to Badger in France for three days and nights untill dug to. instead My Father gave the dog to his good friends at Barnburner Kennels who themselves were astonded by his finding ability and Graft, as he did the proven and highest ever decorated for Work and Proven producer of constant workers by the independent PTCA Mileo who like his son Bruiser also became HOF and verminator extrodinar etc: etc: under his new ownership of Deadgame Kennels ,My father has sold and also given away several top ready working Terriers to proven trusted Friends in the State's like OLA ,Deadgame , Barnburner , and exchanged terrriers from within his own same line many with a few top and trusted Terriermen in Ireland like MushRay etc: All OF WHICH STILL HAVE and are proud to own Top finding hunting working Terriers from my fathers line today ,Theirfore surely giveing to friends or selling for quality for high price does not Make little or no difference except to the cheap-skate that runs around justifying his none taxed and tatty motor each to their own !! Take them IF you can or leave them ,As a mater of possible interest When Bruiser was bred to Barnburners own Merlin bitch the working sucess was incredible and has been repeted where-as when it was bred to Griz best ever worker most were Culled all were useless "Fact" also when Griz visited England he was heard openly running down all the then Nuttal dogs to the likes of Barry Wade and several other's etc: ,I shall finish by saying I have never heard my father run down any fellow Terrier or Sportsman .He himself would prefer to say nothing but possibly give a rye smile. PS All Griz Terriers contain Blood bred from the very man he runs down OLA --also Griz has never owned or had or seen work a Terrier direct from my Father.Nor will he!ever .in true Sport jonathan Booth France

AMEN,Jonathan but unlike your father I will run down other SO called terriermen. Who I know to be phonies and imposters,I am not nor will I ever be politically correct. It is what it is,and I call a spade a spade. Yours in sport. OLA

[ohiolongarm 2]

You'd better believe it we put out the big $$$$$,so we don't have to be subjected to nonsense.

 

Are you the same Tony who paid Gordon Mason £700 for a terrier(whisky)knowing full well the dog had spewed because you were told it had before you bought it

You tell me since you know so little about me or the Whiskey dog,better yet ask Rbooth. OLA

[uru 341]

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