Good Black Dogs (Pattedales?) in the US?

[gonetoearth 5,144]

heyy funny man are you also still actif in life

 

 

Not much in the way of terriers, I can't dig at all now, I spent some time in the hospital and sport a bag now... fashionable eh? The ground here is sugar sand anyway, I've yet to see a decent earth even groundhog holes are scarce. I am able to get out a little with my sighthounds but nothing like a serious hunter... its all just good fun, love keeping the dogs and seeing what they'll do from time to time. Gotta have some sort of vice you know. I still have the Doogan dog I got from Lonnie B. that was a good breeding imo.

 

Sometimes I miss the old boards... they were always good entertainment if nothing else.

 

Dean how is the Doogan dog bred? Todd

 

 

I'll have to get with Lonnie B. again, I thought I had his pedigree hammered out a few years ago but then this past year Lonnie and I were talking and he told me what I thought was wrong. LOL! I didn't write it down and I've forgotten again, all I know is that he's a grandson to an import from BN's yard... Gripper comes to mind but I'd have to ask Lonnie to be sure. You can probably call him and ask, then you can tell me.

 

As for the HOF stuff... are you talking about the PTCA HOF? If so thats a bit strange imo... a dog can be in the HOF just because its bred so many other dogs? Doesn't seem right to me as it promotes breeding the hell out of a dog regardless of its worth. jmo....

 

 

No I am talking about dogs that are long ago dead. Knowing that the guys of old only bred workers to workers. If you are looking at old pedigrees and see like Nuttall's Flint, in a lot of pedigrees you would assume that the people back then thought he was a good worker. Since he is in the pedigrees of a lot of dogs he has helped to shape the Patterdale. Maybe a lot of the good dogs they are hearing about today have a common ancestor like Nuttall's Flint.

 

This is what the PTCA says on their site.

 

HALL OF FAME - HOF

Elected through exceptional

Working Ability or impact on

the breed through progeny

 

Here is a list of the dogs in the HOF. The two highlighted are ones I owned or bred.

Anglo-American's

What A Shamus

Badland's Black Davey

Black Badger Tombstone

Badakhashan Beauregard

Black Tiger Rocky

Booth's Bruiser II

Booth's Mileo FC

Booth's Tipperary Tim

Booth's Tonic

Breay's Rusty

Gould's Spartacus

Kickapoo Spunky

Mason's Arnie

Mason's Babb-be

Mason's CS Lilly

Mason's Goldie

Mason's Oscar

Mason's Tarmac

MQH Desiree

MQH Grip

MQH Josie

MQH Mason's Barney

Nuttall's Blitz II

Nuttall's Flint

Nuttall's Miles

Nuttall's Miner

Piacentini's Bobby

Schaeffer's John Steed

Schwab's Anne-Busty

Schwab's Grom

Schwab's Martha

Schwab's Nathan

Schwab's Rosa

Schwab's Santos

Schwab's Schoko

dont see gould smitty or fogartysam which were top class dogs and good producer is it because they were crossbred terriers

 

no its because there owners have not paid for the dogs to be there

I now hope all UK mates can see what makes OLA and Todds terrier world go round and round!.... ....Money, Moola, Cash, Big Bucks, ......As far as HOF dogs, it means NOTHING....Absolutely NOTHING!.....Just a bunch of names on a list, no real qualifications,no scrutiny, just gotta know the man who makes the list.....In the USA you need to talk to terrierman that work their dogs and dont sell them for big money.....I havent seen A working terrier yet that cares how much you paid for him!!!!!.....

Hey Griz go yourself and the horse you rode in on him to. OLA PS I can guarantee they won't be talking to you then. you

ITS A BIT LIKE THE WORLD SERIES THEN

[moddey-dhoo 39]

OLA

 

why havn't you told people your a copper and you have grassed on people in the UK

[gonetoearth 5,144]

[Griz 89]

I hear crap slung about guys selling pups for this price or that price. It's as Todd said, Whatever the value is to a buyer is what the dog is worth (to the buyer). Todd has made it clear, he's not ripping people off. Why? Because he is willing to turn around and pay it himself. Maybe you guys in the UK, back East and what not have terriers that work out the ears but out here I've had only about 1 in 4 working to crap ratio with the dogs I've got from other people. I've paid $750 for a pup before and if I could get that dog again for $1000 I'd do it again. He was a hell of a worker at 2 years when he died(ran over by a car). I know price is controversial about working dogs. High prices can exclude guys who would hunt hardest. That is a judgment call on your part. If I thought Todd's stuff was the best around and his litters produced workers more than 2/3 or 3/4 of the time I would go to him no problem. I don't know the guy so I don't buy from him. I agree with Todd in that our working dogs should be valued at a higher price. I know of a guy who worked some awesome dogs. "Gave" the dogs to friends when he was in a hardspot in life - come to find later the guy he gave the dogs to was entering them in all sorts of undiggable earths. Lost all of the dogs he was given. My friend had gotten dogs from all over an bred for many years to obtain what he had and when he handed them out they dissappeared in less than two years.

I don't think that people who sell dogs should be bashed. A high price tag does not mean the man who is selling them is full of shit. The best dogs I have ever seen are owned by a friend and he sells for $600 a pup. I would take one of his in a heart beat. He lets me use his studs when I want them though so I don't have a need.

All the high and mighty "Give working dogs away" is nonsense. The ones I've given away never get worked. It's really ironic. I have followed the whole line of giving dogs away and time again the dog sits in a kennel. Sell a hunting pup for a couple hundred dollars and magico chango the people value the dog and work it's ass off to make it worth what they paid. I have only a few friends I would give a dog to at this point. And the string attached is always "give it back if you don't like it".

I only give dogs to close friends of mine who I know work them regularly. In the beginning no one gave me shinola,be it Booth,Nuttall,or Gould they had what I wanted and i paid what they asked.And I would never knock a man for selling anything of value,MONEY$$$$ it's what the entire planet runs on. Now if you want to raise good quality animals and give them away for free,I'm willing to take any of you charitable men up on your offer. Make mine 11 to 12.5 inches tall no more than 14lb working weight and must be absolutely hard.Smooth coated only,no bat ears ,short tails,or tiny teeth,I'm readt get hold of me and I'll tell you where to send. OLA

I notice in your doggy wish list that there is not a single word about hunt,locating, finding,smarts, ONLY HARDNESS!. ....You put those 12 lb killers in the wrong hole ,AND, they are truly hard,likely they will be TRULY DEAD..You know damn well that a BIG coon or badger would destroy them if they are engaging constantly(as a game, hard dog would do)....Not quarry like your sub 20 lb coon or woodchucks that you hunt..........You have been challenged in the past with your big talk before ,and , of course, you always cur out!....Fact is, I have nothing against your dogs, I might find them just dandy, but, your misquided bravado and methods are a only self serving and hurting the terrier community at large......I've been told that Robert Booth hangs his head when your name is brought up!.... ......AND, Back at ya

[ohiolongarm 2]

OLA

 

why havn't you told people your a copper and you have grassed on people in the UK

LMFAO,what the are you snorting or smoking? name the imaginary folks I grassed,you're a lowly piece of work not to mention a cowardly

[scent 509]

I hear crap slung about guys selling pups for this price or that price. It's as Todd said, Whatever the value is to a buyer is what the dog is worth (to the buyer). Todd has made it clear, he's not ripping people off. Why? Because he is willing to turn around and pay it himself. Maybe you guys in the UK, back East and what not have terriers that work out the ears but out here I've had only about 1 in 4 working to crap ratio with the dogs I've got from other people. I've paid $750 for a pup before and if I could get that dog again for $1000 I'd do it again. He was a hell of a worker at 2 years when he died(ran over by a car). I know price is controversial about working dogs. High prices can exclude guys who would hunt hardest. That is a judgment call on your part. If I thought Todd's stuff was the best around and his litters produced workers more than 2/3 or 3/4 of the time I would go to him no problem. I don't know the guy so I don't buy from him. I agree with Todd in that our working dogs should be valued at a higher price. I know of a guy who worked some awesome dogs. "Gave" the dogs to friends when he was in a hardspot in life - come to find later the guy he gave the dogs to was entering them in all sorts of undiggable earths. Lost all of the dogs he was given. My friend had gotten dogs from all over an bred for many years to obtain what he had and when he handed them out they dissappeared in less than two years.

I don't think that people who sell dogs should be bashed. A high price tag does not mean the man who is selling them is full of shit. The best dogs I have ever seen are owned by a friend and he sells for $600 a pup. I would take one of his in a heart beat. He lets me use his studs when I want them though so I don't have a need.

All the high and mighty "Give working dogs away" is nonsense. The ones I've given away never get worked. It's really ironic. I have followed the whole line of giving dogs away and time again the dog sits in a kennel. Sell a hunting pup for a couple hundred dollars and magico chango the people value the dog and work it's ass off to make it worth what they paid. I have only a few friends I would give a dog to at this point. And the string attached is always "give it back if you don't like it".

I only give dogs to close friends of mine who I know work them regularly. In the beginning no one gave me shinola,be it Booth,Nuttall,or Gould they had what I wanted and i paid what they asked.And I would never knock a man for selling anything of value,MONEY$$$$ it's what the entire planet runs on. Now if you want to raise good quality animals and give them away for free,I'm willing to take any of you charitable men up on your offer. Make mine 11 to 12.5 inches tall no more than 14lb working weight and must be absolutely hard.Smooth coated only,no bat ears ,short tails,or tiny teeth,I'm readt get hold of me and I'll tell you where to send. OLA

I notice in your doggy wish list that there is not a single word about hunt,locating, finding,smarts, ONLY HARDNESS!. ....You put those 12 lb killers in the wrong hole ,AND, they are truly hard,likely they will be TRULY DEAD..You know damn well that a BIG coon or badger would destroy them if they are engaging constantly(as a game, hard dog would do)....Not quarry like your sub 20 lb coon or woodchucks that you hunt..........You have been challenged in the past with your big talk before ,and , of course, you always cur out!....Fact is, I have nothing against your dogs, I might find them just dandy, but, your misquided bravado and methods are a only self serving and hurting the terrier community at large......I've been told that Robert Booth hangs his head when your name is brought up!.... ......AND, Back at ya

hey griz have you ever kept pit bulls in the states??

[ohiolongarm 2]

I hear crap slung about guys selling pups for this price or that price. It's as Todd said, Whatever the value is to a buyer is what the dog is worth (to the buyer). Todd has made it clear, he's not ripping people off. Why? Because he is willing to turn around and pay it himself. Maybe you guys in the UK, back East and what not have terriers that work out the ears but out here I've had only about 1 in 4 working to crap ratio with the dogs I've got from other people. I've paid $750 for a pup before and if I could get that dog again for $1000 I'd do it again. He was a hell of a worker at 2 years when he died(ran over by a car). I know price is controversial about working dogs. High prices can exclude guys who would hunt hardest. That is a judgment call on your part. If I thought Todd's stuff was the best around and his litters produced workers more than 2/3 or 3/4 of the time I would go to him no problem. I don't know the guy so I don't buy from him. I agree with Todd in that our working dogs should be valued at a higher price. I know of a guy who worked some awesome dogs. "Gave" the dogs to friends when he was in a hardspot in life - come to find later the guy he gave the dogs to was entering them in all sorts of undiggable earths. Lost all of the dogs he was given. My friend had gotten dogs from all over an bred for many years to obtain what he had and when he handed them out they dissappeared in less than two years.

I don't think that people who sell dogs should be bashed. A high price tag does not mean the man who is selling them is full of shit. The best dogs I have ever seen are owned by a friend and he sells for $600 a pup. I would take one of his in a heart beat. He lets me use his studs when I want them though so I don't have a need.

All the high and mighty "Give working dogs away" is nonsense. The ones I've given away never get worked. It's really ironic. I have followed the whole line of giving dogs away and time again the dog sits in a kennel. Sell a hunting pup for a couple hundred dollars and magico chango the people value the dog and work it's ass off to make it worth what they paid. I have only a few friends I would give a dog to at this point. And the string attached is always "give it back if you don't like it".

I only give dogs to close friends of mine who I know work them regularly. In the beginning no one gave me shinola,be it Booth,Nuttall,or Gould they had what I wanted and i paid what they asked.And I would never knock a man for selling anything of value,MONEY$$$$ it's what the entire planet runs on. Now if you want to raise good quality animals and give them away for free,I'm willing to take any of you charitable men up on your offer. Make mine 11 to 12.5 inches tall no more than 14lb working weight and must be absolutely hard.Smooth coated only,no bat ears ,short tails,or tiny teeth,I'm readt get hold of me and I'll tell you where to send. OLA

I notice in your doggy wish list that there is not a single word about hunt,locating, finding,smarts, ONLY HARDNESS!. ....You put those 12 lb killers in the wrong hole ,AND, they are truly hard,likely they will be TRULY DEAD..You know damn well that a BIG coon or badger would destroy them if they are engaging constantly(as a game, hard dog would do)....Not quarry like your sub 20 lb coon or woodchucks that you hunt..........You have been challenged in the past with your big talk before ,and , of course, you always cur out!....Fact is, I have nothing against your dogs, I might find them just dandy, but, your misquided bravado and methods are a only self serving and hurting the terrier community at large......I've been told that Robert Booth hangs his head when your name is brought up!.... ......AND, Back at ya

GRIZ ,u FACE NAME THE CLOWNS THAT CHALLENGED ME,my 12 pounders caused you numerous sleeples night because they can do the job,unlike your curs who I have on record as you having regularly put 6 or more terriers on one hapless coon, that you found in an abandoned house which is all you hunt since you don't have a terrier that knows what ground work is.Funny thing every time I get a new strain of terriers you jump on my arse and scramble to get the same.U R A has been who never was,your followers are the losers who claim to be terriermen but in actuality don't know what a shovel or terrierfinder is as they don't own one.When was the last time an elderly alcoholic being such as yourself ever dug to a terrier? be honest. Now about Robert he may or may not hang his head when he hears my name,I'll let him answer that one here if it's true,but to my knowledge he's never called me a 2 faced shit bag as he's referred to you recently in a PM to me.Now before I really get down and dirty shut the up. you.

[moddey-dhoo 39]

Think back over the many years, all the years and all the lies , you once got caught telling lies about to well known terrier men who you said had sold you rubbish! When challenged you proceeded to accuse said terrier men of being involved in illegal activities with terriers on a open furum , I’ll not be repeating names you know you’re a low life grass , I’m just surprised some of the posters of that time havn’t jumped on your bullshit

[scent 509]

and certain bull shitters have been proven totally wrong on here when they they have tried to blacken peoples names by playing Possum .Kettle and poy come to mind

[OHIO STEVE 11]

just like old times

[Griz 89]

I hear crap slung about guys selling pups for this price or that price. It's as Todd said, Whatever the value is to a buyer is what the dog is worth (to the buyer). Todd has made it clear, he's not ripping people off. Why? Because he is willing to turn around and pay it himself. Maybe you guys in the UK, back East and what not have terriers that work out the ears but out here I've had only about 1 in 4 working to crap ratio with the dogs I've got from other people. I've paid $750 for a pup before and if I could get that dog again for $1000 I'd do it again. He was a hell of a worker at 2 years when he died(ran over by a car). I know price is controversial about working dogs. High prices can exclude guys who would hunt hardest. That is a judgment call on your part. If I thought Todd's stuff was the best around and his litters produced workers more than 2/3 or 3/4 of the time I would go to him no problem. I don't know the guy so I don't buy from him. I agree with Todd in that our working dogs should be valued at a higher price. I know of a guy who worked some awesome dogs. "Gave" the dogs to friends when he was in a hardspot in life - come to find later the guy he gave the dogs to was entering them in all sorts of undiggable earths. Lost all of the dogs he was given. My friend had gotten dogs from all over an bred for many years to obtain what he had and when he handed them out they dissappeared in less than two years.

I don't think that people who sell dogs should be bashed. A high price tag does not mean the man who is selling them is full of shit. The best dogs I have ever seen are owned by a friend and he sells for $600 a pup. I would take one of his in a heart beat. He lets me use his studs when I want them though so I don't have a need.

All the high and mighty "Give working dogs away" is nonsense. The ones I've given away never get worked. It's really ironic. I have followed the whole line of giving dogs away and time again the dog sits in a kennel. Sell a hunting pup for a couple hundred dollars and magico chango the people value the dog and work it's ass off to make it worth what they paid. I have only a few friends I would give a dog to at this point. And the string attached is always "give it back if you don't like it".

I only give dogs to close friends of mine who I know work them regularly. In the beginning no one gave me shinola,be it Booth,Nuttall,or Gould they had what I wanted and i paid what they asked.And I would never knock a man for selling anything of value,MONEY$$$$ it's what the entire planet runs on. Now if you want to raise good quality animals and give them away for free,I'm willing to take any of you charitable men up on your offer. Make mine 11 to 12.5 inches tall no more than 14lb working weight and must be absolutely hard.Smooth coated only,no bat ears ,short tails,or tiny teeth,I'm readt get hold of me and I'll tell you where to send. OLA

I notice in your doggy wish list that there is not a single word about hunt,locating, finding,smarts, ONLY HARDNESS!. ....You put those 12 lb killers in the wrong hole ,AND, they are truly hard,likely they will be TRULY DEAD..You know damn well that a BIG coon or badger would destroy them if they are engaging constantly(as a game, hard dog would do)....Not quarry like your sub 20 lb coon or woodchucks that you hunt..........You have been challenged in the past with your big talk before ,and , of course, you always cur out!....Fact is, I have nothing against your dogs, I might find them just dandy, but, your misquided bravado and methods are a only self serving and hurting the terrier community at large......I've been told that Robert Booth hangs his head when your name is brought up!.... ......AND, Back at ya

hey griz have you ever kept pit bulls in the states??

Seems your asking a question you already know the answer to Scent?.....

[Griz 89]

I hear crap slung about guys selling pups for this price or that price. It's as Todd said, Whatever the value is to a buyer is what the dog is worth (to the buyer). Todd has made it clear, he's not ripping people off. Why? Because he is willing to turn around and pay it himself. Maybe you guys in the UK, back East and what not have terriers that work out the ears but out here I've had only about 1 in 4 working to crap ratio with the dogs I've got from other people. I've paid $750 for a pup before and if I could get that dog again for $1000 I'd do it again. He was a hell of a worker at 2 years when he died(ran over by a car). I know price is controversial about working dogs. High prices can exclude guys who would hunt hardest. That is a judgment call on your part. If I thought Todd's stuff was the best around and his litters produced workers more than 2/3 or 3/4 of the time I would go to him no problem. I don't know the guy so I don't buy from him. I agree with Todd in that our working dogs should be valued at a higher price. I know of a guy who worked some awesome dogs. "Gave" the dogs to friends when he was in a hardspot in life - come to find later the guy he gave the dogs to was entering them in all sorts of undiggable earths. Lost all of the dogs he was given. My friend had gotten dogs from all over an bred for many years to obtain what he had and when he handed them out they dissappeared in less than two years.

I don't think that people who sell dogs should be bashed. A high price tag does not mean the man who is selling them is full of shit. The best dogs I have ever seen are owned by a friend and he sells for $600 a pup. I would take one of his in a heart beat. He lets me use his studs when I want them though so I don't have a need.

All the high and mighty "Give working dogs away" is nonsense. The ones I've given away never get worked. It's really ironic. I have followed the whole line of giving dogs away and time again the dog sits in a kennel. Sell a hunting pup for a couple hundred dollars and magico chango the people value the dog and work it's ass off to make it worth what they paid. I have only a few friends I would give a dog to at this point. And the string attached is always "give it back if you don't like it".

I only give dogs to close friends of mine who I know work them regularly. In the beginning no one gave me shinola,be it Booth,Nuttall,or Gould they had what I wanted and i paid what they asked.And I would never knock a man for selling anything of value,MONEY$$$$ it's what the entire planet runs on. Now if you want to raise good quality animals and give them away for free,I'm willing to take any of you charitable men up on your offer. Make mine 11 to 12.5 inches tall no more than 14lb working weight and must be absolutely hard.Smooth coated only,no bat ears ,short tails,or tiny teeth,I'm readt get hold of me and I'll tell you where to send. OLA

I notice in your doggy wish list that there is not a single word about hunt,locating, finding,smarts, ONLY HARDNESS!. ....You put those 12 lb killers in the wrong hole ,AND, they are truly hard,likely they will be TRULY DEAD..You know damn well that a BIG coon or badger would destroy them if they are engaging constantly(as a game, hard dog would do)....Not quarry like your sub 20 lb coon or woodchucks that you hunt..........You have been challenged in the past with your big talk before ,and , of course, you always cur out!....Fact is, I have nothing against your dogs, I might find them just dandy, but, your misquided bravado and methods are a only self serving and hurting the terrier community at large......I've been told that Robert Booth hangs his head when your name is brought up!.... ......AND, Back at ya

GRIZ ,u FACE NAME THE CLOWNS THAT CHALLENGED ME,my 12 pounders caused you numerous sleeples night because they can do the job,unlike your curs who I have on record as you having regularly put 6 or more terriers on one hapless coon, that you found in an abandoned house which is all you hunt since you don't have a terrier that knows what ground work is.Funny thing every time I get a new strain of terriers you jump on my arse and scramble to get the same.U R A has been who never was,your followers are the losers who claim to be terriermen but in actuality don't know what a shovel or terrierfinder is as they don't own one.When was the last time an elderly alcoholic being such as yourself ever dug to a terrier? be honest. Now about Robert he may or may not hang his head when he hears my name,I'll let him answer that one here if it's true,but to my knowledge he's never called me a 2 faced shit bag as he's referred to you recently in a PM to me.Now before I really get down and dirty shut the up. you.

Just answer the questions I've asked....You wont of course, cause you know I'm telling the truth!....Uphill Doc offered to pay your airfare and put you up so you could show your super dogs in action,after you were bragging away and slagging others dogs ,I done the same, and, you always refuse...Because your hummingbird ass can't keep up with your mockingbird mouth.....You cant even be shamed into leaving your backyard, where the quarry is puny compared to elsewhere.....Time for you to come down to earth and talk like most genuine terrierman and quit tooting your own horn....By the way, I could have had dogs off your yard numerous times, but, dont want em....I wouldnt believe the pedigree from you or anything about the parents......Shame on you!......

[DeanD 3]

just like old times

 

Hey, you've got several cases you can work on so sit back, relax and watch. Its better than watching reruns on television.

[OHIO STEVE 11]

just like old times

 

Hey, you've got several cases you can work on so sit back, relax and watch. Its better than watching reruns on television.

yeah some of this is all too familiar... entertaining and boring all at the same time.. kinda like watching a movie you know the ending of. Same central cast with different supporting actors.

[Griz 89]

just like old times

 

Hey, you've got several cases you can work on so sit back, relax and watch. Its better than watching reruns on television.

yeah some of this is all too familiar... entertaining and boring all at the same time.. kinda like watching a movie you know the ending of. Same central cast with different supporting actors.

Your right Stevo, just get sick of listening to all the this "I'm the king of the hill" shit....Hows the beer taste?....