deadgame 58 Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 Hi DeadGame,... Im just being nosey, and as i havent been to any black dog shows, or such gatherings over here, and ive never heard of the Milo dog, what has he done, that people are willing to part with $1000 for a PUP!?...i would pay $1000 for a MADE working terrier, if it worked how i like a terrier to work (having said that, if i had the money to spend a Grand on a terrier, i would be a very happy lad!..lol.) Genuinly interested, as i have always struggled to get good, let alone great terriers over here in the States,...many thanks. Kye.. Kye, I appreciate the post, but Milo died last year. He was a very good dog and a very good producer. A lot of the people wanted to start their own line of dogs and wanted to start with Milo.... I am not here trying to sell any pups. I just wanted to put the truth out there about some lies being spread around. When people have both sides of the story they are better able to make up their own mind. Todd Hi Deadgame dont think you answered the question what type of work did milo do what quarry did he take i think was the question Oh sorry, Badger, Fox, Racoon, Groundhog, Ferral cat, possum, rats, and one deer. He was not shipped to the US until he was four years old. He now has working offspring all over the United States, Italy, Finland, France, The Chezh Republic, South Korea, Ireland, and Lebanon. Todd Quote Link to post
DeanD 3 Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 heyy funny man are you also still actif in life Not much in the way of terriers, I can't dig at all now, I spent some time in the hospital and sport a bag now... fashionable eh? The ground here is sugar sand anyway, I've yet to see a decent earth even groundhog holes are scarce. I am able to get out a little with my sighthounds but nothing like a serious hunter... its all just good fun, love keeping the dogs and seeing what they'll do from time to time. Gotta have some sort of vice you know. I still have the Doogan dog I got from Lonnie B. that was a good breeding imo. Sometimes I miss the old boards... they were always good entertainment if nothing else. Dean how is the Doogan dog bred? Todd I'll have to get with Lonnie B. again, I thought I had his pedigree hammered out a few years ago but then this past year Lonnie and I were talking and he told me what I thought was wrong. LOL! I didn't write it down and I've forgotten again, all I know is that he's a grandson to an import from BN's yard... Gripper comes to mind but I'd have to ask Lonnie to be sure. You can probably call him and ask, then you can tell me. As for the HOF stuff... are you talking about the PTCA HOF? If so thats a bit strange imo... a dog can be in the HOF just because its bred so many other dogs? Doesn't seem right to me as it promotes breeding the hell out of a dog regardless of its worth. jmo.... Quote Link to post
deadgame 58 Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 heyy funny man are you also still actif in life Not much in the way of terriers, I can't dig at all now, I spent some time in the hospital and sport a bag now... fashionable eh? The ground here is sugar sand anyway, I've yet to see a decent earth even groundhog holes are scarce. I am able to get out a little with my sighthounds but nothing like a serious hunter... its all just good fun, love keeping the dogs and seeing what they'll do from time to time. Gotta have some sort of vice you know. I still have the Doogan dog I got from Lonnie B. that was a good breeding imo. Sometimes I miss the old boards... they were always good entertainment if nothing else. Dean how is the Doogan dog bred? Todd I'll have to get with Lonnie B. again, I thought I had his pedigree hammered out a few years ago but then this past year Lonnie and I were talking and he told me what I thought was wrong. LOL! I didn't write it down and I've forgotten again, all I know is that he's a grandson to an import from BN's yard... Gripper comes to mind but I'd have to ask Lonnie to be sure. You can probably call him and ask, then you can tell me. As for the HOF stuff... are you talking about the PTCA HOF? If so thats a bit strange imo... a dog can be in the HOF just because its bred so many other dogs? Doesn't seem right to me as it promotes breeding the hell out of a dog regardless of its worth. jmo.... No I am talking about dogs that are long ago dead. Knowing that the guys of old only bred workers to workers. If you are looking at old pedigrees and see like Nuttall's Flint, in a lot of pedigrees you would assume that the people back then thought he was a good worker. Since he is in the pedigrees of a lot of dogs he has helped to shape the Patterdale. Maybe a lot of the good dogs they are hearing about today have a common ancestor like Nuttall's Flint. This is what the PTCA says on their site. HALL OF FAME - HOF Elected through exceptional Working Ability or impact on the breed through progeny Here is a list of the dogs in the HOF. The two highlighted are ones I owned or bred. Anglo-American's What A Shamus Badland's Black Davey Black Badger Tombstone Badakhashan Beauregard Black Tiger Rocky Booth's Bruiser II Booth's Mileo FC Booth's Tipperary Tim Booth's Tonic Breay's Rusty Gould's Spartacus Kickapoo Spunky Mason's Arnie Mason's Babb-be Mason's CS Lilly Mason's Goldie Mason's Oscar Mason's Tarmac MQH Desiree MQH Grip MQH Josie MQH Mason's Barney Nuttall's Blitz II Nuttall's Flint Nuttall's Miles Nuttall's Miner Piacentini's Bobby Schaeffer's John Steed Schwab's Anne-Busty Schwab's Grom Schwab's Martha Schwab's Nathan Schwab's Rosa Schwab's Santos Schwab's Schoko Quote Link to post
Mosby 355 Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 I hear crap slung about guys selling pups for this price or that price. It's as Todd said, Whatever the value is to a buyer is what the dog is worth (to the buyer). Todd has made it clear, he's not ripping people off. Why? Because he is willing to turn around and pay it himself. Maybe you guys in the UK, back East and what not have terriers that work out the ears but out here I've had only about 1 in 4 working to crap ratio with the dogs I've got from other people. I've paid $750 for a pup before and if I could get that dog again for $1000 I'd do it again. He was a hell of a worker at 2 years when he died(ran over by a car). I know price is controversial about working dogs. High prices can exclude guys who would hunt hardest. That is a judgment call on your part. If I thought Todd's stuff was the best around and his litters produced workers more than 2/3 or 3/4 of the time I would go to him no problem. I don't know the guy so I don't buy from him. I agree with Todd in that our working dogs should be valued at a higher price. I know of a guy who worked some awesome dogs. "Gave" the dogs to friends when he was in a hardspot in life - come to find later the guy he gave the dogs to was entering them in all sorts of undiggable earths. Lost all of the dogs he was given. My friend had gotten dogs from all over an bred for many years to obtain what he had and when he handed them out they dissappeared in less than two years. I don't think that people who sell dogs should be bashed. A high price tag does not mean the man who is selling them is full of shit. The best dogs I have ever seen are owned by a friend and he sells for $600 a pup. I would take one of his in a heart beat. He lets me use his studs when I want them though so I don't have a need. All the high and mighty "Give working dogs away" is nonsense. The ones I've given away never get worked. It's really ironic. I have followed the whole line of giving dogs away and time again the dog sits in a kennel. Sell a hunting pup for a couple hundred dollars and magico chango the people value the dog and work it's ass off to make it worth what they paid. I have only a few friends I would give a dog to at this point. And the string attached is always "give it back if you don't like it". Quote Link to post
Guest tuggy Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 (edited) He now has working offspring all over the United States, Italy, Finland, France, The Chezh Republic, South Korea, Ireland, and Lebanon. Todd fekn peddler good pups are gifted not sold were did all the wanks sorry yanks come from, some one burn their barns Edited December 2, 2010 by tuggy Quote Link to post
ohiolongarm 2 Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 I hear crap slung about guys selling pups for this price or that price. It's as Todd said, Whatever the value is to a buyer is what the dog is worth (to the buyer). Todd has made it clear, he's not ripping people off. Why? Because he is willing to turn around and pay it himself. Maybe you guys in the UK, back East and what not have terriers that work out the ears but out here I've had only about 1 in 4 working to crap ratio with the dogs I've got from other people. I've paid $750 for a pup before and if I could get that dog again for $1000 I'd do it again. He was a hell of a worker at 2 years when he died(ran over by a car). I know price is controversial about working dogs. High prices can exclude guys who would hunt hardest. That is a judgment call on your part. If I thought Todd's stuff was the best around and his litters produced workers more than 2/3 or 3/4 of the time I would go to him no problem. I don't know the guy so I don't buy from him. I agree with Todd in that our working dogs should be valued at a higher price. I know of a guy who worked some awesome dogs. "Gave" the dogs to friends when he was in a hardspot in life - come to find later the guy he gave the dogs to was entering them in all sorts of undiggable earths. Lost all of the dogs he was given. My friend had gotten dogs from all over an bred for many years to obtain what he had and when he handed them out they dissappeared in less than two years. I don't think that people who sell dogs should be bashed. A high price tag does not mean the man who is selling them is full of shit. The best dogs I have ever seen are owned by a friend and he sells for $600 a pup. I would take one of his in a heart beat. He lets me use his studs when I want them though so I don't have a need. All the high and mighty "Give working dogs away" is nonsense. The ones I've given away never get worked. It's really ironic. I have followed the whole line of giving dogs away and time again the dog sits in a kennel. Sell a hunting pup for a couple hundred dollars and magico chango the people value the dog and work it's ass off to make it worth what they paid. I have only a few friends I would give a dog to at this point. And the string attached is always "give it back if you don't like it". I only give dogs to close friends of mine who I know work them regularly. In the beginning no one gave me shinola,be it Booth,Nuttall,or Gould they had what I wanted and i paid what they asked.And I would never knock a man for selling anything of value,MONEY$$$$ it's what the entire planet runs on. Now if you want to raise good quality animals and give them away for free,I'm willing to take any of you charitable men up on your offer. Make mine 11 to 12.5 inches tall no more than 14lb working weight and must be absolutely hard.Smooth coated only,no bat ears ,short tails,or tiny teeth,I'm readt get hold of me and I'll tell you where to send. OLA 1 Quote Link to post
uru 341 Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 (edited) . Edited September 11, 2017 by uru 1 Quote Link to post
fionn 21 Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 (edited) heyy funny man are you also still actif in life Not much in the way of terriers, I can't dig at all now, I spent some time in the hospital and sport a bag now... fashionable eh? The ground here is sugar sand anyway, I've yet to see a decent earth even groundhog holes are scarce. I am able to get out a little with my sighthounds but nothing like a serious hunter... its all just good fun, love keeping the dogs and seeing what they'll do from time to time. Gotta have some sort of vice you know. I still have the Doogan dog I got from Lonnie B. that was a good breeding imo. Sometimes I miss the old boards... they were always good entertainment if nothing else. Dean how is the Doogan dog bred? Todd I'll have to get with Lonnie B. again, I thought I had his pedigree hammered out a few years ago but then this past year Lonnie and I were talking and he told me what I thought was wrong. LOL! I didn't write it down and I've forgotten again, all I know is that he's a grandson to an import from BN's yard... Gripper comes to mind but I'd have to ask Lonnie to be sure. You can probably call him and ask, then you can tell me. As for the HOF stuff... are you talking about the PTCA HOF? If so thats a bit strange imo... a dog can be in the HOF just because its bred so many other dogs? Doesn't seem right to me as it promotes breeding the hell out of a dog regardless of its worth. jmo.... No I am talking about dogs that are long ago dead. Knowing that the guys of old only bred workers to workers. If you are looking at old pedigrees and see like Nuttall's Flint, in a lot of pedigrees you would assume that the people back then thought he was a good worker. Since he is in the pedigrees of a lot of dogs he has helped to shape the Patterdale. Maybe a lot of the good dogs they are hearing about today have a common ancestor like Nuttall's Flint. This is what the PTCA says on their site. HALL OF FAME - HOF Elected through exceptional Working Ability or impact on the breed through progeny Here is a list of the dogs in the HOF. The two highlighted are ones I owned or bred. Anglo-American's What A Shamus Badland's Black Davey Black Badger Tombstone Badakhashan Beauregard Black Tiger Rocky Booth's Bruiser II Booth's Mileo FC Booth's Tipperary Tim Booth's Tonic Breay's Rusty Gould's Spartacus Kickapoo Spunky Mason's Arnie Mason's Babb-be Mason's CS Lilly Mason's Goldie Mason's Oscar Mason's Tarmac MQH Desiree MQH Grip MQH Josie MQH Mason's Barney Nuttall's Blitz II Nuttall's Flint Nuttall's Miles Nuttall's Miner Piacentini's Bobby Schaeffer's John Steed Schwab's Anne-Busty Schwab's Grom Schwab's Martha Schwab's Nathan Schwab's Rosa Schwab's Santos Schwab's Schoko dont see gould smitty or fogartysam which were top class dogs and good producer is it because they were crossbred terriers Edited December 2, 2010 by fionn 1 Quote Link to post
moddey-dhoo 39 Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 heyy funny man are you also still actif in life Not much in the way of terriers, I can't dig at all now, I spent some time in the hospital and sport a bag now... fashionable eh? The ground here is sugar sand anyway, I've yet to see a decent earth even groundhog holes are scarce. I am able to get out a little with my sighthounds but nothing like a serious hunter... its all just good fun, love keeping the dogs and seeing what they'll do from time to time. Gotta have some sort of vice you know. I still have the Doogan dog I got from Lonnie B. that was a good breeding imo. Sometimes I miss the old boards... they were always good entertainment if nothing else. Dean how is the Doogan dog bred? Todd I'll have to get with Lonnie B. again, I thought I had his pedigree hammered out a few years ago but then this past year Lonnie and I were talking and he told me what I thought was wrong. LOL! I didn't write it down and I've forgotten again, all I know is that he's a grandson to an import from BN's yard... Gripper comes to mind but I'd have to ask Lonnie to be sure. You can probably call him and ask, then you can tell me. As for the HOF stuff... are you talking about the PTCA HOF? If so thats a bit strange imo... a dog can be in the HOF just because its bred so many other dogs? Doesn't seem right to me as it promotes breeding the hell out of a dog regardless of its worth. jmo.... No I am talking about dogs that are long ago dead. Knowing that the guys of old only bred workers to workers. If you are looking at old pedigrees and see like Nuttall's Flint, in a lot of pedigrees you would assume that the people back then thought he was a good worker. Since he is in the pedigrees of a lot of dogs he has helped to shape the Patterdale. Maybe a lot of the good dogs they are hearing about today have a common ancestor like Nuttall's Flint. This is what the PTCA says on their site. HALL OF FAME - HOF Elected through exceptional Working Ability or impact on the breed through progeny Here is a list of the dogs in the HOF. The two highlighted are ones I owned or bred. Anglo-American's What A Shamus Badland's Black Davey Black Badger Tombstone Badakhashan Beauregard Black Tiger Rocky Booth's Bruiser II Booth's Mileo FC Booth's Tipperary Tim Booth's Tonic Breay's Rusty Gould's Spartacus Kickapoo Spunky Mason's Arnie Mason's Babb-be Mason's CS Lilly Mason's Goldie Mason's Oscar Mason's Tarmac MQH Desiree MQH Grip MQH Josie MQH Mason's Barney Nuttall's Blitz II Nuttall's Flint Nuttall's Miles Nuttall's Miner Piacentini's Bobby Schaeffer's John Steed Schwab's Anne-Busty Schwab's Grom Schwab's Martha Schwab's Nathan Schwab's Rosa Schwab's Santos Schwab's Schoko dont see gould smitty or fogartysam which were top class dogs and good producer is it because they were crossbred terriers no its because there owners have not paid for the dogs to be there Quote Link to post
Griz 89 Posted December 3, 2010 Report Share Posted December 3, 2010 heyy funny man are you also still actif in life Not much in the way of terriers, I can't dig at all now, I spent some time in the hospital and sport a bag now... fashionable eh? The ground here is sugar sand anyway, I've yet to see a decent earth even groundhog holes are scarce. I am able to get out a little with my sighthounds but nothing like a serious hunter... its all just good fun, love keeping the dogs and seeing what they'll do from time to time. Gotta have some sort of vice you know. I still have the Doogan dog I got from Lonnie B. that was a good breeding imo. Sometimes I miss the old boards... they were always good entertainment if nothing else. Dean how is the Doogan dog bred? Todd I'll have to get with Lonnie B. again, I thought I had his pedigree hammered out a few years ago but then this past year Lonnie and I were talking and he told me what I thought was wrong. LOL! I didn't write it down and I've forgotten again, all I know is that he's a grandson to an import from BN's yard... Gripper comes to mind but I'd have to ask Lonnie to be sure. You can probably call him and ask, then you can tell me. As for the HOF stuff... are you talking about the PTCA HOF? If so thats a bit strange imo... a dog can be in the HOF just because its bred so many other dogs? Doesn't seem right to me as it promotes breeding the hell out of a dog regardless of its worth. jmo.... No I am talking about dogs that are long ago dead. Knowing that the guys of old only bred workers to workers. If you are looking at old pedigrees and see like Nuttall's Flint, in a lot of pedigrees you would assume that the people back then thought he was a good worker. Since he is in the pedigrees of a lot of dogs he has helped to shape the Patterdale. Maybe a lot of the good dogs they are hearing about today have a common ancestor like Nuttall's Flint. This is what the PTCA says on their site. HALL OF FAME - HOF Elected through exceptional Working Ability or impact on the breed through progeny Here is a list of the dogs in the HOF. The two highlighted are ones I owned or bred. Anglo-American's What A Shamus Badland's Black Davey Black Badger Tombstone Badakhashan Beauregard Black Tiger Rocky Booth's Bruiser II Booth's Mileo FC Booth's Tipperary Tim Booth's Tonic Breay's Rusty Gould's Spartacus Kickapoo Spunky Mason's Arnie Mason's Babb-be Mason's CS Lilly Mason's Goldie Mason's Oscar Mason's Tarmac MQH Desiree MQH Grip MQH Josie MQH Mason's Barney Nuttall's Blitz II Nuttall's Flint Nuttall's Miles Nuttall's Miner Piacentini's Bobby Schaeffer's John Steed Schwab's Anne-Busty Schwab's Grom Schwab's Martha Schwab's Nathan Schwab's Rosa Schwab's Santos Schwab's Schoko dont see gould smitty or fogartysam which were top class dogs and good producer is it because they were crossbred terriers no its because there owners have not paid for the dogs to be there Quote Link to post
Griz 89 Posted December 3, 2010 Report Share Posted December 3, 2010 heyy funny man are you also still actif in life Not much in the way of terriers, I can't dig at all now, I spent some time in the hospital and sport a bag now... fashionable eh? The ground here is sugar sand anyway, I've yet to see a decent earth even groundhog holes are scarce. I am able to get out a little with my sighthounds but nothing like a serious hunter... its all just good fun, love keeping the dogs and seeing what they'll do from time to time. Gotta have some sort of vice you know. I still have the Doogan dog I got from Lonnie B. that was a good breeding imo. Sometimes I miss the old boards... they were always good entertainment if nothing else. Dean how is the Doogan dog bred? Todd I'll have to get with Lonnie B. again, I thought I had his pedigree hammered out a few years ago but then this past year Lonnie and I were talking and he told me what I thought was wrong. LOL! I didn't write it down and I've forgotten again, all I know is that he's a grandson to an import from BN's yard... Gripper comes to mind but I'd have to ask Lonnie to be sure. You can probably call him and ask, then you can tell me. As for the HOF stuff... are you talking about the PTCA HOF? If so thats a bit strange imo... a dog can be in the HOF just because its bred so many other dogs? Doesn't seem right to me as it promotes breeding the hell out of a dog regardless of its worth. jmo.... No I am talking about dogs that are long ago dead. Knowing that the guys of old only bred workers to workers. If you are looking at old pedigrees and see like Nuttall's Flint, in a lot of pedigrees you would assume that the people back then thought he was a good worker. Since he is in the pedigrees of a lot of dogs he has helped to shape the Patterdale. Maybe a lot of the good dogs they are hearing about today have a common ancestor like Nuttall's Flint. This is what the PTCA says on their site. HALL OF FAME - HOF Elected through exceptional Working Ability or impact on the breed through progeny Here is a list of the dogs in the HOF. The two highlighted are ones I owned or bred. Anglo-American's What A Shamus Badland's Black Davey Black Badger Tombstone Badakhashan Beauregard Black Tiger Rocky Booth's Bruiser II Booth's Mileo FC Booth's Tipperary Tim Booth's Tonic Breay's Rusty Gould's Spartacus Kickapoo Spunky Mason's Arnie Mason's Babb-be Mason's CS Lilly Mason's Goldie Mason's Oscar Mason's Tarmac MQH Desiree MQH Grip MQH Josie MQH Mason's Barney Nuttall's Blitz II Nuttall's Flint Nuttall's Miles Nuttall's Miner Piacentini's Bobby Schaeffer's John Steed Schwab's Anne-Busty Schwab's Grom Schwab's Martha Schwab's Nathan Schwab's Rosa Schwab's Santos Schwab's Schoko dont see gould smitty or fogartysam which were top class dogs and good producer is it because they were crossbred terriers no its because there owners have not paid for the dogs to be there I now hope all UK mates can see what makes OLA and Todds terrier world go round and round!.... ....Money, Moola, Cash, Big Bucks, ......As far as HOF dogs, it means NOTHING....Absolutely NOTHING!.....Just a bunch of names on a list, no real qualifications,no scrutiny, just gotta know the man who makes the list.....In the USA you need to talk to terrierman that work their dogs and dont sell them for big money.....I havent seen A working terrier yet that cares how much you paid for him!!!!!..... Quote Link to post
Kye 77 Posted December 3, 2010 Report Share Posted December 3, 2010 Thanks for the reply Dead Game,.. Yeah, im not bothered what people do with there pups, sell them, gift them, cull them, i dont care, nor would it matter if i did care..lol...people are going to do what there going to do, and im fine with that, as long as you 'aint raping kids etc. Milo sounds a handy type, pitty he's dead...i have been lucky that i have never brought a dog from anyone over here, been gifted terriers and longdogs, even MADE coyote dogs!...im lucky i guess. Quote Link to post
uru 341 Posted December 3, 2010 Report Share Posted December 3, 2010 (edited) . Edited March 19, 2017 by uru Quote Link to post
ohiolongarm 2 Posted December 3, 2010 Report Share Posted December 3, 2010 (edited) heyy funny man are you also still actif in life Not much in the way of terriers, I can't dig at all now, I spent some time in the hospital and sport a bag now... fashionable eh? The ground here is sugar sand anyway, I've yet to see a decent earth even groundhog holes are scarce. I am able to get out a little with my sighthounds but nothing like a serious hunter... its all just good fun, love keeping the dogs and seeing what they'll do from time to time. Gotta have some sort of vice you know. I still have the Doogan dog I got from Lonnie B. that was a good breeding imo. Sometimes I miss the old boards... they were always good entertainment if nothing else. Dean how is the Doogan dog bred? Todd I'll have to get with Lonnie B. again, I thought I had his pedigree hammered out a few years ago but then this past year Lonnie and I were talking and he told me what I thought was wrong. LOL! I didn't write it down and I've forgotten again, all I know is that he's a grandson to an import from BN's yard... Gripper comes to mind but I'd have to ask Lonnie to be sure. You can probably call him and ask, then you can tell me. As for the HOF stuff... are you talking about the PTCA HOF? If so thats a bit strange imo... a dog can be in the HOF just because its bred so many other dogs? Doesn't seem right to me as it promotes breeding the hell out of a dog regardless of its worth. jmo.... No I am talking about dogs that are long ago dead. Knowing that the guys of old only bred workers to workers. If you are looking at old pedigrees and see like Nuttall's Flint, in a lot of pedigrees you would assume that the people back then thought he was a good worker. Since he is in the pedigrees of a lot of dogs he has helped to shape the Patterdale. Maybe a lot of the good dogs they are hearing about today have a common ancestor like Nuttall's Flint. This is what the PTCA says on their site. HALL OF FAME - HOF Elected through exceptional Working Ability or impact on the breed through progeny Here is a list of the dogs in the HOF. The two highlighted are ones I owned or bred. Anglo-American's What A Shamus Badland's Black Davey Black Badger Tombstone Badakhashan Beauregard Black Tiger Rocky Booth's Bruiser II Booth's Mileo FC Booth's Tipperary Tim Booth's Tonic Breay's Rusty Gould's Spartacus Kickapoo Spunky Mason's Arnie Mason's Babb-be Mason's CS Lilly Mason's Goldie Mason's Oscar Mason's Tarmac MQH Desiree MQH Grip MQH Josie MQH Mason's Barney Nuttall's Blitz II Nuttall's Flint Nuttall's Miles Nuttall's Miner Piacentini's Bobby Schaeffer's John Steed Schwab's Anne-Busty Schwab's Grom Schwab's Martha Schwab's Nathan Schwab's Rosa Schwab's Santos Schwab's Schoko dont see gould smitty or fogartysam which were top class dogs and good producer is it because they were crossbred terriers no its because there owners have not paid for the dogs to be there I now hope all UK mates can see what makes OLA and Todds terrier world go round and round!.... ....Money, Moola, Cash, Big Bucks, ......As far as HOF dogs, it means NOTHING....Absolutely NOTHING!.....Just a bunch of names on a list, no real qualifications,no scrutiny, just gotta know the man who makes the list.....In the USA you need to talk to terrierman that work their dogs and dont sell them for big money.....I havent seen A working terrier yet that cares how much you paid for him!!!!!..... Hey Griz go yourself and the horse you rode in on him to. OLA PS I can guarantee they won't be talking to you then. you Edited December 3, 2010 by ohiolongarm Quote Link to post
ohiolongarm 2 Posted December 3, 2010 Report Share Posted December 3, 2010 heyy funny man are you also still actif in life Not much in the way of terriers, I can't dig at all now, I spent some time in the hospital and sport a bag now... fashionable eh? The ground here is sugar sand anyway, I've yet to see a decent earth even groundhog holes are scarce. I am able to get out a little with my sighthounds but nothing like a serious hunter... its all just good fun, love keeping the dogs and seeing what they'll do from time to time. Gotta have some sort of vice you know. I still have the Doogan dog I got from Lonnie B. that was a good breeding imo. Sometimes I miss the old boards... they were always good entertainment if nothing else. Dean how is the Doogan dog bred? Todd I'll have to get with Lonnie B. again, I thought I had his pedigree hammered out a few years ago but then this past year Lonnie and I were talking and he told me what I thought was wrong. LOL! I didn't write it down and I've forgotten again, all I know is that he's a grandson to an import from BN's yard... Gripper comes to mind but I'd have to ask Lonnie to be sure. You can probably call him and ask, then you can tell me. As for the HOF stuff... are you talking about the PTCA HOF? If so thats a bit strange imo... a dog can be in the HOF just because its bred so many other dogs? Doesn't seem right to me as it promotes breeding the hell out of a dog regardless of its worth. jmo.... No I am talking about dogs that are long ago dead. Knowing that the guys of old only bred workers to workers. If you are looking at old pedigrees and see like Nuttall's Flint, in a lot of pedigrees you would assume that the people back then thought he was a good worker. Since he is in the pedigrees of a lot of dogs he has helped to shape the Patterdale. Maybe a lot of the good dogs they are hearing about today have a common ancestor like Nuttall's Flint. This is what the PTCA says on their site. HALL OF FAME - HOF Elected through exceptional Working Ability or impact on the breed through progeny Here is a list of the dogs in the HOF. The two highlighted are ones I owned or bred. Anglo-American's What A Shamus Badland's Black Davey Black Badger Tombstone Badakhashan Beauregard Black Tiger Rocky Booth's Bruiser II Booth's Mileo FC Booth's Tipperary Tim Booth's Tonic Breay's Rusty Gould's Spartacus Kickapoo Spunky Mason's Arnie Mason's Babb-be Mason's CS Lilly Mason's Goldie Mason's Oscar Mason's Tarmac MQH Desiree MQH Grip MQH Josie MQH Mason's Barney Nuttall's Blitz II Nuttall's Flint Nuttall's Miles Nuttall's Miner Piacentini's Bobby Schaeffer's John Steed Schwab's Anne-Busty Schwab's Grom Schwab's Martha Schwab's Nathan Schwab's Rosa Schwab's Santos Schwab's Schoko dont see gould smitty or fogartysam which were top class dogs and good producer is it because they were crossbred terriers FIONN,a friend of mine has a 2 year old grandson of Fogarty's Sam,and I can breed at least 2 more litters bred the same way,as I have straws frozen off a son of Sam. Does that count for anything? PS I dug some stuff with Fogarty one helluva man and digger to,tell him I said hello if you ever se him. OLA Quote Link to post
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