lanesra 3,994 Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 a little quote from lenny mclean himself that i have just read in his book the guv,nor!!!! "Having known ronnie made me realise the difference between old-time villains and the toe-rags about today. i know its been said many times,but if men like them were still active,the streets would be a lot safer". argue all you like with me but im pretty sure mclean knew london more than most and for him to say it must mean something The Krays being about today wouldnt make it a safer place, they would be involved in the Drug trade without a doudt, they would be selling/distrubution Heroin/Cocaine ect to men women and kids and wouldnt give a feck as long as the money was rollin in, and if anyone thinks different is kiddin themselves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest stewie Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 a little quote from lenny mclean himself that i have just read in his book the guv,nor!!!! "Having known ronnie made me realise the difference between old-time villains and the toe-rags about today. i know its been said many times,but if men like them were still active,the streets would be a lot safer". argue all you like with me but im pretty sure mclean knew london more than most and for him to say it must mean something The Krays being about today wouldnt make it a safer place, they would be involved in the Drug trade without a doudt, they would be selling/distrubution Heroin/Cocaine ect to men women and kids and wouldnt give a feck as long as the money was rollin in, and if anyone thinks different is kiddin themselves. lol so drugs werent about when they were then???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
reavo2k9 20 Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Yes but PHIL MITCHELL is still in london and hes only got 2 ring GRANT up for back up , but the krays were in there time the boyos but them days have gone its all gangwarfare and things wont change unless we get rid of all the yardies and ragheads etc , white men for our country. Ship the rest out .... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lanesra 3,994 Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 a little quote from lenny mclean himself that i have just read in his book the guv,nor!!!! "Having known ronnie made me realise the difference between old-time villains and the toe-rags about today. i know its been said many times,but if men like them were still active,the streets would be a lot safer". argue all you like with me but im pretty sure mclean knew london more than most and for him to say it must mean something The Krays being about today wouldnt make it a safer place, they would be involved in the Drug trade without a doudt, they would be selling/distrubution Heroin/Cocaine ect to men women and kids and wouldnt give a feck as long as the money was rollin in, and if anyone thinks different is kiddin themselves. lol so drugs werent about when they were then???? LOL ? . The money involved in them days was buttons compared with today,them days it was protection/threats and gamblin clubs, so i take it your KIDDIN YOURSELF with the notion that if good old Ron & Reg where around today the streets would be a better place Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest stewie Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 a little quote from lenny mclean himself that i have just read in his book the guv,nor!!!! "Having known ronnie made me realise the difference between old-time villains and the toe-rags about today. i know its been said many times,but if men like them were still active,the streets would be a lot safer". argue all you like with me but im pretty sure mclean knew london more than most and for him to say it must mean something The Krays being about today wouldnt make it a safer place, they would be involved in the Drug trade without a doudt, they would be selling/distrubution Heroin/Cocaine ect to men women and kids and wouldnt give a feck as long as the money was rollin in, and if anyone thinks different is kiddin themselves. lol so drugs werent about when they were then???? LOL ? . The money involved in them days was buttons compared with today,them days it was protection/threats and gamblin clubs, so i take it your KIDDIN YOURSELF with the notion that if good old Ron & Reg where around today the streets would be a better place no Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest stewie Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Yes but PHIL MITCHELL is still in london and hes only got 2 ring GRANT up for back up , but the krays were in there time the boyos but them days have gone its all gangwarfare and things wont change unless we get rid of all the yardies and ragheads etc , white men for our country. Ship the rest out .... :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,024 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 The Krays being about today wouldnt make it a safer place, they would be involved in the Drug trade without a doudt, they would be selling/distrubution Heroin/Cocaine ect to men women and kids and wouldnt give a feck as long as the money was rollin in, and if anyone thinks different is kiddin themselves. Theres no reason to think the krays wouldnt have been involved with the drug game,charlie got 12 years for trying to import,his grandson is doing life for chopping someones head off over drugs !....but as for the twins id have my doubts its something they would have been heavy into,although money is always a motive they were about a lot more than just money,they were more obssessed with power than being obssessed with money,its often said they could have been a lot more wealthy than they actually was simply because power/fame was just as important to them as making money. That said,even if they were living in todays times they certainly wouldnt have involved women/kids in anything......each generation has different morals and principals and they had theirs whereas all else being equal nobody has any morals today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 You can't compare crime and crime rates now compared to the sixties, only read the books by Shaw and McLean but they were hardly "Wyatt Earp" cleaning up the streets for the good of the "townsfolk". How anyone can idolise the Krays is beyond me............ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,024 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 You can't compare crime and crime rates now compared to the sixties, only read the books by Shaw and McLean but they were hardly "Wyatt Earp" cleaning up the streets for the good of the "townsfolk". How anyone can idolise the Krays is beyond me............ I wouldnt call it " idolise " but i certainly respect the fact that 2 not particularly bright young lads from an extremely poor background were able to make the most of what they had and create the makings of a better life.... " Shaw and Mclean were hardly Wyatt Earp "........were they supposed to be then ? .....only folk from this area in that era would understand the shit and poverty men tried to rise above in those days,if that meant bending a few laws then that was the best option for many folk. I agree you cant compare crimes/crime rates same as you cant compare sentancing etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lanesra 3,994 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 Wouldnt involve women and kids , your joking arent you they killed fathers and husbands didnt give a toss about the wives and children , oh and wasnt Ronnie into young boys . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,024 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 Wouldnt involve women and kids , your joking arent you they killed fathers and husbands didnt give a toss about the wives and children , oh and wasnt Ronnie into young boys . Violent criminal fathers and husbands you mean ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lanesra 3,994 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 Wouldnt involve women and kids , your joking arent you they killed fathers and husbands didnt give a toss about the wives and children , oh and wasnt Ronnie into young boys . Violent criminal fathers and husbands you mean ? oh thats alright then, your husband/dad was violent so no need to be upset/distraught now there dead . And your view on Ronnie favourin YOUNG LADS is........... A glorified fuck1n peodifile if you are honest, no 1 said nothin through fear Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,024 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 oh thats alright then, your husband/dad was violent so no need to be upset/distraught now there dead . And your view on Ronnie favourin YOUNG LADS is........... A glorified fuck1n peodifile if you are honest, no 1 said nothin through fear [/quote If im not wrong a paedophile messes with children....Ronnie Kray liked young boys im not aware they were kids they were consenting young men....my view on ronnie favouring young lads is it makes me want to throw up and disgusts me same as it would to any " normal " bloke.....but whats that got to do with crime ?....i could make personal slurs and find something shameful about almost anyone so could you. No of course its not alright to take another mans life...but your talking as though they went out and randomly killed anyone.....the 3 men they were convicted of killing were extremely violent criminals,that doesnt make it ok but your view was that the krays would harm anyone man woman or child......you said they would have sold drugs to women and kids,im saying i dont think they would as theres nothing to suggest they did or ever would have committed a crime against a woman or child,simple. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chimp 299 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 danny dyer puts them all to shame lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 You can't compare crime and crime rates now compared to the sixties, only read the books by Shaw and McLean but they were hardly "Wyatt Earp" cleaning up the streets for the good of the "townsfolk". How anyone can idolise the Krays is beyond me............ I wouldnt call it " idolise " but i certainly respect the fact that 2 not particularly bright young lads from an extremely poor background were able to make the most of what they had and create the makings of a better life.... " Shaw and Mclean were hardly Wyatt Earp "........were they supposed to be then ? .....only folk from this area in that era would understand the shit and poverty men tried to rise above in those days,if that meant bending a few laws then that was the best option for many folk. I agree you cant compare crimes/crime rates same as you cant compare sentancing etc The Wyatt Earp comment was aimed at folk who think they are some vigalante cleaning up the streets for the public, they were blokes, tough men, connected men perhaps but just men. Gnasher, some do idolise the Krays, each to their own but they do nowt for me, i agree with your comment that there are hard men grafting to feed their families up and down the country Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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