any advice welcome

[Aaron_butcher 17]

I'm not really mad on air rifles although ive always had one lying about, more into dogs but i upgraded from spring to pcp a couple of years back as one was going cheap (webley fx 2000), i didnt get on with it so sold it. Since then ive had an air arms s200, brocock concept (brand new), and a bsa scorpion t-10 (brand new). And ive not liked any of them, im not sure if they just arent good guns or its just me so im going back to springers. i thought about getting something like an R-10 but if it turns out i just dont like pcps full stop then thats alot of money gone and it wouldnt get used religously anyway. So basically I want a spring gun that will kill a rabbit at 40 yards when the freezers low for under 250. I was thinking BSA lightening XL with a gas ram fitted. can anyone recommend or unrecommend this gun or does anyone have any other suggestions.

thanks very much, Aaron.

[zini 1,939]

Hi Aaron,

 

Fair enough pal if you enjoy Springer’s better then i cant fault you either pal, as I like Springer’s too.

 

Gun wise i would recommend the Weihrauch HW95K, in my opinion its a far better rifle than the Lightning mate, I can say this as i have owned a original Lightning myself (not the newer mods) but without the gas ram system and the HW95K beats it hands down.

 

If you want to see some proof, I can send you a clip of me taking a 40 metre (43.7 yard) rabbit and some at 35 metres (38.2 yards) with mine.

 

Light, accurate and very quiet for a springer due to the quality build and excellent factory fitted silencer.

 

You will get a very good second hand one for £250 mate, probably with scope etc too if your lucky.

 

They are only £269 brand new.

 

That rifle will humanely kill EVERYTHING on the UK vermin register with ease out to 55 metres if the shooter is up to the task.

 

Have a look at this

 

http://www.youngmans.com/acatalog/HW95.html

 

HW95K

 

A lightweight sporter with heavyweight performance.

 

This break barrel rifle gives you all the power that you need.

 

.177 or .22

 

Now includes Weihrauch Silencer

 

Overall length 43" (109 cm)

 

Weight 7 lbs.

 

Price: £269.99 (Including: VAT at 17.5%)

 

Attached is a photo of my HW95K (now just been sold to a mate).

 

ATB

 

Si

Edited November 2, 2010 by zini

[beddylurcher 70]

were u from mate iv got a tx 200 hc for sale good nick with hawk scope £200 no offers. hull area.

[Aaron_butcher 17]

Thanks very much mate, some cracking advice.

I'm just off to look at the reviews for the HW. do you know if there is a gas ram conversion available for it?

 

beddy lurcher, im from kent so its a bit far to go. ta anyway.

[zini 1,939]

Hi Aaron,

 

Yes there is a rifle already made by HW that has the gas ram fitted.

 

Its called a Weihrauch HW90K, not the HW95K.

 

Its quite a bit more expensive at £399

 

http://www.youngmans.com/acatalog/HW90.html

 

To be honest mate I’ve used both rifles to shoot with, but only owned HW95K's myself and both models are brilliant (all HWs are brilliant).

 

You will not be able to do anymore (shooting wise) with the HW90K than you already can with the HW95K mate.

 

You will get a faster lock time with the HW90K (the pellet leaves the muzzle quicker) aiding easier accuracy and less recoil, but as long as you apply the correct shooting technique that a springer requires it shouldn’t make any difference to accuracy at the target end buddy.

 

Do a search on Youtube for the (Artillery Hold), this will give you an idea of how to shoot a springer / gas ram system correctly mate.

 

You will then be able to modify the hold like I have done to your own style of shooting to gain even better groups and results.

 

If your heart is still set on a gas ram system then maybe you can get a cheap second hand one from someone on here buddy or from a shop.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Si

[Aaron_butcher 17]

Thanks for that mate.

I've had a look at the HW95k reviews and there is not one bad one compared to the lightning where there were one or two.

I'm not so much set on getting a gas ram but i like the idea of leaving it cocked and a spring not weakening. I am now very much swayed towards the weirauch although if there was a gas ram available for the 95k i wouldnt be on here typing i'd be out there shooting it. The hw90 is a bit over budget but i think its going to be the HW95K as i have shot one once or twice and did like it.

Thanks for taking the time to reply

Aaron.

[zini 1,939]

Cheers Aaron,

 

You will be able to buy a gas ram strut for the HW95K yourself and maybe someone would be able to pop in for you for peanuts buddy.

 

Like I said mate I just shoot and don’t know anything about the internals of rifles or id try and help you more mate.

 

Best person I recon to speak to about this is a guy on here called Andy (andyfr1968) on here, who will no doubt be along in a moment.

 

Si

Edited November 3, 2010 by zini

[gurtwurz 792]

hi aaron, if its of any use mate, i've just got '95 and i think its a lovely tool for the job mate, at least it will be when i get used to it! i had a theoben evolution with a gas ram and found that it kept knocking itself out of zero due to the harsher recoil, although a dampa mount did help a bit, but it was a lovely gun to shoot, just a pain in the arse having to check zero every few shots, and cos of that i lost confidence in it.

 

hope this helps, wurz

[Aaron_butcher 17]

Thanks again

I typed in HW95K in youtube and you'll never guessed who popped up! thats some nice shootin Si and your video has pushed me into buying one.

gurtwurz, thanks pal, i think i might fit a ram and see how it goes

Aaron.

[pianoman 3,587]

Hi Aaron. I don't wish to simply repeat the good advices you have here but, you can cock a spring rifle and hold it on for quite considerable lengths of time without loss of power. I discovered with mine that, as springs aren't expensive to replace, I'd rather keep the gun ready on cock, than scare off my quarry with my TX200 or Weihrauch HW80 snapping open to load. I've been shooting this way for over ten years and my guns are still running their original springs to the same power levels they were tuned to. One thing you must be aware of, is Gas Rams release their air-charge much faster than an uncoiling spring does, even though both seem to do this instantaneously. This results in the ram producing a sharper, pretty savage level of recoil that can, at best, knock your scope off zero, or worse, smash the reticle in a scope that's not up to withstanding it. I had one fitted to one of my HW80s and it was just horrible. A real hefty crack on firing and it wrecked a very expensive Bushnell scope in just a few shots . I had it removed and an FAC Titan tune on my ticket instead, and that rifle has been as sweet as a nut ever since . From what you wish to spend and the type of shooting you wish to enjoy, you'll not get better for your needs than a Weihrauch 95k spring rifle and a decent scope, with the HW90K if you really have to have a gas ram action. Hope you get sorted out soon mate.

 

ATB

 

Simon

Edited November 3, 2010 by pianoman