three and ahalf hour car journey

[lampinglurcher 36]

Jackanory time yet again...............perhaps he needs to get out more.......a lot of very big foxes in towns .If foxes are so territorial how come you can get 5 or 6 foxes coming to the same call at the same time all independant yet all coming from the same general direction.If anything the boom in the fox population is through a lack of keepers not an abundance of them,maybe there are more game birds and more shoots but the number of keepers employed to look after those birds is a lot less.

Definatly more foxes in towns and a lot of them are in very good shape they havnt been pushed there by country foxes LOL they would have trouble pushing them across the M25.

these are just his views and i thought quiet alot of them made good sense you are entiteled to your oppion just like everbody else..you seem to no quiet alot kane is that all you have to say ..???at certain times of year the fox is very terrotrial...when you have several foxes coming in at one time they are proberly juveniles ..and or young vixens as they dont seem to get pushed out as much as the young dog fox ..mabye its you who needs to get out more instead of waiting round the m25 for road kill...

 

 

good call mate

kane:- shut the f**k up you dick, if you want to state your opinion do so, but not at the expense of others, ie, someones uncle! "perhaps he needs to get out more" stop being such cock.

thankyou very much for the great post snoopdog, i agree - tell us about the big cats!

[badoosh 1]

Snoop your uncle sounds a proper character

the type you could have a with

 

just a pity the characters are dying out,

i wouldn't give a shit what kane says anyway...

 

 

Happy new year

Y'all

[snoopdog 1,256]

i wiil have ago at writing about the big cats when hes been round to mine ..i have invited him round for a few drinks and a chat he is a fairly shy chap and i only see him about once a year even tho he only lives about 5 miles away ..he is all ways off somewhere in his camper van if you can call it that it has no side windows ..really it a van with a cooker in it and the bare isentials ..he said if you pull up in a camper you get moved on or charged .. ..hes been going down to the forest off dean hes been staying near monmoth..hes been watching the wild boar in the forest somewhere and looking for signs of the illusive big cat but he said they have been about for years...i will tell you more when i get to hear it again...thanks for the replies..i glad some of you found him interesting aswell...cheers....

[robert bell 20]

super post soopdog malham tarn 80ts nice chap

[snoopdog 1,256]

when i was in the back of the motor with him we got on the topic about big cats ..and he said what do you think .do you think there roaming around our countryside..i said i dont no ...do you ??.he said without adoubt..i said what makes you so sure have you seen one .??he said no but ive seen signs and i had a wierd exspearence in 1972..and this is what he told me its up to you if you belive they are there or not ..he said he was out with his dog one night doin a bit of poaching ..this was before he started doing a bit of keepering.. he was walking down the back of a drystone wall and his dog started growling he said he had never heard it growl like this before it was like a really low growl he said he just stopped and looked over the wall but couldnt see anything saw he sent his dog over the wall and waited there ..he said it was gone about two minitues and came flying back over the wall and ran down the field abit ...now i started laughing my head off..he looked at me and said thats what they did when i told em in the pub ...he said listen and if you still think its funny when i finnished then you can laugh...so he carried on telling me the tale ....he said ive been out a thousand times with that dog and its never growled once its seen badger .fox you name its sin it..so what made it growl that night .he said iwill tell you shall i..he said it sent a shiver down his back he said we have all had one when we have been out at night.....he said he fecked of home and couldnt stop looking over his shoulder ..when he got home he put the dog away and went for a pint and he told them in the boozer and he said they just pissed there selves laughing ..anyway when he got up the next morning he set of back to the same field as he was walking round the feild he found the remains of a hare he said he knows what a fox kill looks like .but this had a pile of fur at the side of it and the bones where white ..he said it looked like it had been turned inside out ...i said what do you meen ..he said a big cat have a tounge like a rasp .i.e. file...he said he had never seen owt like it in his life ..he then said he found footprints in a gateway ..i said they could been a big dogs he said if it had been dog you would have seen claw marks or nail marks..... he said there where no claw marks.. and a big cat only extracts its nails when its running or catching its prey..he said i no what i saw and it was a big cat kill.......he then said i told people about it and they just said what where you drinking and comments like that ...so he stopped ...anyway last year he was visting my gran who lives or should i say lived in monmoth it was her funeral.....last year and this is what has got him started again he said he found three rabbits stripped to the bone just like the hare he found ..so he.s started to look for more signs and has been getting info on big cats in the uk ..and here are some facts he told me ..he said since the dangerous animals act came out in 1976 there have been siteings he said people who had big cats and other animals wouldnt pay for a license or they didnt want them to be put down so they just let them go .....he said the DEFRA..department for envirment of food and rurial affairs have contacted loads of people who used to keep big cats and 23 of them admitted they let theres go so how many didnt admit it ...he said our habitat is perfect for them to surrvive there plenty of cover and a abundense of food so why not ...he said in 2005 a scull of a big cat was found which was later to be identified as a puma .i.e.cougar or moutain lion ...theres been siteings of panther or black leopard....claw marks on backs of horses ..he also said muntjaks have been found with teethmarks at the back of there skulls and fur licked of them which are all signs of big cat kills ..in monmoth one of the schools which is situated in the forest of dean has a warning bell if sombody sees one...why would people go to all this bother if they wasnt there he said look how well everthing else has survied that been intreduced into this country...why shouldnt BIG CATS....anyway no matter what you belive ..it got me thinking...why not ?????

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Why not, indeed

 

It's a subject unto itself, mate. Kick it off and ye'll straight away get the usual camps. The 'I Believers' being heckled by the " I've been out more nights than that with the lamp. I've seen this, that and the other, but never a sign of a Cat! " crew.

 

Then there's the immature bullshit. It's so easy to just pop open a web site these days and start banging on about it. School kids become " Experts " over night. Anorakked social losers turn up at sighting sites and blab off to the press. It all becomes a carnival of wet lipped amateurism. Farcical.

 

 

Personally? I'm perfectly content in my own understanding that there have been, thus most likely still are, Cougar out there. I've whitnessed quite enough compelling evidence of their existance. I don't need any more convincing and I really can't be arsed to argue my position. If ye don't believe it? Fine. What's that to me? If ye want proof? Get off ye own arse and make the same efforts I did to find it. Draw ye own conclusions. I've made my own.

 

I'm also pefectly happy that there are some 'other' cats out there. I know what they are and where they came from. Read above. Same applies.

 

DEFRA knows all about these creatures too. But they'll never crack on to us about them. Why should they? Look at what'll happen; Fora, just like and doubtless including this one, would suddenly be bursting with Threads about, " Could a (insert breed) X (Do that again) take out a Cougar? " FFS.

 

I stepped away from the whole 'Big Cat' scene ages ago. Nothing left for me to be interested in. I have my answers. But, I wouldn't mind betting, these days when a sighting kicks off, as well as the usual wet lipped " Experts " turning up there'll be more and more Real Tree clad kiddo's with f*cking " Bull X's ", back yard bred " American Bulldogs " and christ knows what else. All out to try and prove something about themselves, at the cost to one or another unfortunate animal.

 

Cats have the last laugh though. Always. Because they have more damn " Hunter " in them than a whole forum full of pilchards

[snoopdog 1,256]

if they are thier and its sounds to me that they are there that means they are breeding and they would be in there third or maybe there forth generation ...and like you say sombody is going to meet one while out lamping with dog or gun if its agun they better pray they get a clean shot or they will create akilling machine...then there will loonies from allover the country trying to be heros..well said ditch...we will end it there....

[Guest oneredtrim]

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Edited January 16, 2008 by oneredtrim

[juckler123 707]

seen a few escapees over the years lynx in favisham there was two of em one bigger than the other so possibly a pair saw them regularly over a period of about two months that was in the seventies saw a wallaby one night near retford in notts a brown spectecalled bear on the outskirts of sherwood forest didnt know what it was at the time and a pine martin near lincoln all in the eighties i know their was a pair of amazon parrots breeding every year in kent and have done for a few years biggest foxes ive seen have been round kinder and edale and on the foreshaw round wainfleet tallest anyway fattest definitely have been urbans i did security work all over nottingham city for a couple of years up untill two years ago and some were that fat they looked like oxo cubes and many a time ive seen and took advantage of the foxes making their way into towns when out lamping interesting about the rats decreasing never thought about that i know notts used to be alve with rats most of the flower beds were rat warrens even them in the market square seen foxes shadowing folks too and as oneredtrim says they are loosing their fear in citys too

Edited December 31, 2006 by juckler123

[dai dog 11]

i once put an ad in the cmw, "wanted, working whippet bitch" and had numerous calls over the coming week! one of which was a guy from coventry (cant remember his name) he was well spoken & articulate! the bitch was exactly what i was looking for but was spayed , & i would have liked a litter down the line! anyway we got talking about fieldsports, and he explained that he was a big cat investigator! hed been all over the country and examined many areas of sightings! he said he once found what he called a "big cat dinner table" (or something like that), this was an opening in the middle of the woods where the cat, or cats would bring theyre kill to devour in safety! i cant remember the exact number he quoted but i think he found 25 odd lamb skulls amungst other things! he also said that he had seen 2! they were all hybrids & none black, but a brown!? a very interesting man, and im quite a good judje of character! & i had no reason to doubt him! ive also heard of a guy from dartmoor, exmoor ( some moor! lol) shooting them! allthough i cant remember for the life of me who said it! anyone else heard such things?

[snoopdog 1,256]

Must agree with Mucker and Kane with regard to condition and size of fox's found in a city. I am well enough versed about the greyhound illusion with a fox on a moor and have witnessed enough fox out in the sticks....the City fox appears to be a size bigger (IMO). Infact i would say they appear to be morphising into the untrusting stray dog of yesteryear (tempriment wise), the fox's spotted around here don't exactly freak when you stumble upon them (even with a dog in tow). they'll walk down the white lines in the centre of the road...reasonably happy with thier few yards of law (come over all Liam Gallagher) and are happy enough to play stalk the drunk...waiting for them to sling thier nosebag. Conversely rats have now become difficult to find.

 

Oneredtrim.

these are his views on the urban fox ..and i cant really comment because on the size of the urban fox because i stay well away from cities and only go to town at night for a beer or two and that is not that often...and if i do iam not really in a fit state to see anything ....but what i have noticed is the size of the in the countryside it was only two nights ago that i saw a seriously big fox ....and to be honest i cant really imagine my uncle going to the cities to much ethier he has proberly seen fox in towns and villages in the countryside but i will not slate him for that because he just told me what he had seen and ive no reason to doubt him they might be bigger in towns near you because theres more for them to eat ....as for the rat why do you think that is ???at the side of my house theres a beck with rat and mink ..and i can bait a place up near enough anywhere i go or choose to do so and within a couple of days there are rats surley thats the same anywhere...i dont mean just next to the beck i mean anywhere...all the best pal and thanks to everybody for your opinions this is how we learn is it not.....cheers

[Guest oneredtrim]

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Edited January 16, 2008 by oneredtrim

[dickyboy 1]

the foxes in the countryside round me(surrey/london) are bigger and better condition than the ones in the town but i do see town foxes in the countryside, skinny little runts! i put it down to the food quality being poor in the city/town even if there is enough.....i am a pest controler and have found them eating vegetable peelings from compost cos they are starving. not exactly a good diet for a fox........so i partly agree with your uncle the foxes are better in the countryside as because they have an abundance of good food but the town foxes are not pushed there(round my way)

 

I think we will end up with two sub species that will break away from each other as i have found town foxes to have smaller heads in general(i do quite a bit of town fox trapping) and some will really go for you!!!

 

 

 

I too have seen a big cat but when i was abt 9yrs old so i thought nothing of it and convinced myself i hadn't although my mate and i always wee scared of the shed lol...lol.... but abt 2 years ago i read an article about the surrey puma! this reminded me of what i had seen so i asked my mother and she confirmed that my friends mother had brought us in from the garden cos she had seen it at the end of the garden we were in. Apparently we sat and watched it try to get the guineapig throught the run.....so thinking about it i watched a cat patting at the guinea pig but a normal cat could not get anywhere near it!!! And one very trust worthy man told me he has seen a lynx....100% broad daylight watching is poults in the pens!!! this man wouldn't even tell me till i had known him over 2years and trusted me as i had questioned him before!!!

 

I believe and like DS don't need to argue about it...i know and thats what matters to me....i would not even shoot one if the chance arose and i had a stalking rifle!!! no need!!

[snoopdog 1,256]

the foxes in the countryside round me(surrey/london) are bigger and better condition than the ones in the town but i do see town foxes in the countryside, skinny little runts! i put it down to the food quality being poor in the city/town even if there is enough.....i am a pest controler and have found them eating vegetable peelings from compost cos they are starving. not exactly a good diet for a fox........so i partly agree with your uncle the foxes are better in the countryside as because they have an abundance of good food but the town foxes are not pushed there(round my way)

 

I think we will end up with two sub species that will break away from each other as i have found town foxes to have smaller heads in general(i do quite a bit of town fox trapping) and some will really go for you!!!

 

 

 

I too have seen a big cat but when i was abt 9yrs old so i thought nothing of it and convinced myself i hadn't although my mate and i always wee scared of the shed lol...lol.... but abt 2 years ago i read an article about the surrey puma! this reminded me of what i had seen so i asked my mother and she confirmed that my friends mother had brought us in from the garden cos she had seen it at the end of the garden we were in. Apparently we sat and watched it try to get the guineapig throught the run.....so thinking about it i watched a cat patting at the guinea pig but a normal cat could not get anywhere near it!!! And one very trust worthy man told me he has seen a lynx....100% broad daylight watching is poults in the pens!!! this man wouldn't even tell me till i had known him over 2years and trusted me as i had questioned him before!!!

 

I believe and like DS don't need to argue about it...i know and thats what matters to me....i would not even shoot one if the chance arose and i had a stalking rifle!!! no need!!

so why do you foxes in town when theres plenty of food for them in the countryside thats what gets me ...???its good to get veiws from different people ..cheers...

[Kane 2]

lright to have a point of view as long as its the same as yours hey snoopy...LOL.

More name calling anyone?

 

We live in a very populated island (over populated).The lads in the usa while out hunting see cougars and other large cats and those lads have a lot more room than we do,cougars my arse.

As for urban foxes being any smaller or weaker than their rural counter parts,not true.In some parts of town maybe in others definatly not ,Ive been fortunate enough to hunt and kill plenty of urban foxes within the M25 circle and generaly they have been up to rural standards.Perhaps snoop you should have a walk about town in the daylight and not pissed and have a look for yourself........you could even take your uncle fester with you.