coyote

[Berkutchi 0]

ive seen 2 pics of a straight greyhound and a deerhound/greyhound nailing them;are sighthounds not popular for coyotes now?

Edited December 29, 2006 by Berkutchi

[justpiddlin76 0]

Ya a bulldog type terrier would make short work of a yote and so would a staghound type dog, but neither one of them would probably free cast very well and go find a coyote for me. Them dogs in that second picture are all under 10 months old at the time. I shot all of them, but one anyhow, but they didn't do a bad job catchin yotes for me.

[jimmyg 6]

ya mate you need a staff our something a bit more powerfull in the second pic i see your fault you have all those dogs but even with all of them they dont have half the balls a staff or pit would if you kept your bitch to bay it while the staff or pit caught up with the action they would go right in for the kill no confrintation just kill and forget the gun a staff will make shit of a coyote in minutes more sport!!!

What the feck are you on about? this is hunting life not baiting life, the coyote is a pest species but still deserves a quick and painless death as possible, ie bullet in the head,i dont call being thrashed to death by a staff sport, more like a dogfight jmo.

[welshhound2 20]

Ya a bulldog type terrier would make short work of a yote and so would a staghound type dog, but neither one of them would probably free cast very well and go find a coyote for me. Them dogs in that second picture are all under 10 months old at the time. I shot all of them, but one anyhow, but they didn't do a bad job catchin yotes for me.

do you work any boar with them?

[celt 1]

I like the pics mate but i recon a good lurcher will make short work of one of them fuckers.

 

Smoothrun. I was thinking the same at 25 pounds it is a big fox size, so a good foxing lurcher you would hope could handle that.

The 35lb one might be a bigger problem, that would be about springer size wouldn't it.

 

I can remember a post on an old site of dessie mackin having dug a coyote with a red lakeland, what are peoples views.

 

 

happy new year

Celt

[justpiddlin76 0]

We don't have any boars around here at all. We do have foxes, but not a whole lot cause the coyotes make real short work of them. They can outrun them fairly easy and have a whole hell of a lot more endurance. So, any fox that shows himself is usually killed off around here by the coyotes. They are a pretty rough type animal. The fox are really no comparison to a coyote. They are about 10 mph slower and they really don't fight at all when a rough dog grabs a hold of them. The coyote put up more than a good fight.

 

Dan Edwards

[Stabs 3]

A fella told me from N.Zealand that they dont use bulls on pigs as they end up killing there selves........???..........

 

There's a lot of lads feel that way I have hunted with in Oz mate. You don't want a dog to "fight" a pig. It's a lot easier if they lie up alongside and hold while you stick it. A fighter will get knocked up pretty quick. Mind you, a few lads do use pure dogs.

 

I think a coyote is another matter though

[justpiddlin76 0]

Hogs are an entirely different subject. Over here there are two kinds of hog hunters. Those with bay dogs and those who are pretty catchy with a lot of bull type terrier blood in them. The bay hunters really cast their dogs and the dogs can be miles from ya bayed up and you have to get to them with the catch dogs and then cut your catch dogs and run like hell behind them. There are also guys who hunt orchards that kind of cut right on top of them with bull type dogs and then get in there.

[Stabs 3]

Have you guys never bred dogs that could find and catch? Just curious as that's what seems to me to be the answer. I suppose it's a fine line between casting them out and them ranging a bit too far. I remember a conversation I had with Ian Colley about the hound blood he had used before and he found that he had to dilute it quite a bit before he had a dog that would find off a ute but not range too far. I suppose if you've got space for a few dogs then it's not a problem having different breeds for different jobs.

[whin 463]

hunted coyotes a few times and hogs a few times but ive been with people who have done it for 30 years or more , they use bull crosses ive saw them they are like patch work quilts, they have no jacket , get ripped to hell ,the best dogs ive saw were ;like deerhounds they hunt like a hound they run and they catch and kill two d up , as for scent hound and a sighthound hunting together read d h salmons gaze hounds and coursing it tells you all about hunting coyotes all over america , some coyote runs are a mile so you need stamina and height to come on top of your coyote , 26 to 29 and strong with a good jacket for the cold months when the coyotes are prowling more ,and hunger drives them out in the open for a run etc , bull crosses have neither the coat feet or height or sense for a hard biting coyote they would get slashed to hell and i dont think they would have the runnning stamina for a mile or more chase , maybe a qaurter bull but lets face it they have had working coyote hounds for a long time plus the yanks have had pit crosses alot longer than the brits ,ive saw forty pound coyotes run a dog out and when your chaseing several a day you need lungs deerhound types seem to do the best all the best ,there a guy in roswell who has staghound saluki crosses they are the tops for what ive saw for jacks and coyotes but they are not as big as the northern coyote 25 to 40 lb , some coyote guys have bull cross coyote hounds but not many , some of the ground they run is very rough , ive sat round the fire with these guys out in the range listning about dogs etc good ole guys all the best

[welshhound2 20]

We don't have any boars around here at all. We do have foxes, but not a whole lot cause the coyotes make real short work of them. They can outrun them fairly easy and have a whole hell of a lot more endurance. So, any fox that shows himself is usually killed off around here by the coyotes. They are a pretty rough type animal. The fox are really no comparison to a coyote. They are about 10 mph slower and they really don't fight at all when a rough dog grabs a hold of them. The coyote put up more than a good fight.

 

Dan Edwards

what weight/size your m/curs weighing in at?

[justpiddlin76 0]

I did not mean to start a debate on here at all. Staghounds are a man's only choice if he is dumping on top of a yote and wants to catch it and kill it. They are amazing and have a lot of different breeds in them to make them what they eventually came to be, but they are not ideal for what I do or I would have them. I do not like running type hounds for the most part around here cause I cannot find any that suit me. They all seem to like to run a track a lot and never seem to want to catch the way these cur dogs do. These curs will not open hardly at all on track and they do a good job getting close to the yote and jumping it. I like the way they do it actually. Running type hounds are fun to listen to, but they just don't catch quick enough for me. I like to be able to go out at lunch hour and cut loose and let the dogs sail through a couple of mile sections and then pick them up and go back to work if they don't jump one and catch it. If they catch it, I ease in to them and pop the yote and that is all. Our pitbulls over here would turn a coyote inside out in a matter of minutes and there is no doubt about it. Our game bred dogs over here are very impressive and a coyote would be crushed in no time, but free casting them and expecting them to keep up with these curs or even wanting to would be impossible. The staghounds would not be able to be casted either. What I am doing is trying to build up a dog with a lot of speed and stamina, but with also a lot of range and desire to catch. As of right now, there are not really any of these kinds of dogs around so, I am using these curs and hounds and staghounds and blend them together to make the kind of dog I am looking for. The ideal dog would be able to be casted and keep their mouth shut and be able to wind a coyote laying in a ditch or layed up somewhere and then swing down and jump them and then be able to run very, very fast and catch and fight like the devil and hold them. This dog is very hard to find around here so I use what works and kill the rest. This is the only way I have found yet to do this.

[lampinglurcher 36]

I did not mean to start a debate on here at all. Staghounds are a man's only choice if he is dumping on top of a yote and wants to catch it and kill it. They are amazing and have a lot of different breeds in them to make them what they eventually came to be, but they are not ideal for what I do or I would have them. I do not like running type hounds for the most part around here cause I cannot find any that suit me. They all seem to like to run a track a lot and never seem to want to catch the way these cur dogs do. These curs will not open hardly at all on track and they do a good job getting close to the yote and jumping it. I like the way they do it actually. Running type hounds are fun to listen to, but they just don't catch quick enough for me. I like to be able to go out at lunch hour and cut loose and let the dogs sail through a couple of mile sections and then pick them up and go back to work if they don't jump one and catch it. If they catch it, I ease in to them and pop the yote and that is all. Our pitbulls over here would turn a coyote inside out in a matter of minutes and there is no doubt about it. Our game bred dogs over here are very impressive and a coyote would be crushed in no time, but free casting them and expecting them to keep up with these curs or even wanting to would be impossible. The staghounds would not be able to be casted either. What I am doing is trying to build up a dog with a lot of speed and stamina, but with also a lot of range and desire to catch. As of right now, there are not really any of these kinds of dogs around so, I am using these curs and hounds and staghounds and blend them together to make the kind of dog I am looking for. The ideal dog would be able to be casted and keep their mouth shut and be able to wind a coyote laying in a ditch or layed up somewhere and then swing down and jump them and then be able to run very, very fast and catch and fight like the devil and hold them. This dog is very hard to find around here so I use what works and kill the rest. This is the only way I have found yet to do this.

 

why wouldnt a bull breed have the desire? how about a: 1/4 grey, 1/8 ridgeback, 1/8 bull(pit?) 1/4 staghound, 1/8 collie and 1/8 saluki? there you go - sorted! alot of the aussie and nz boys have good mixex for tough game. off the subject, does anyone and is it legal to hunt kangaroo?

[Simoman 110]

Yes its illegal to hunt kangaroos with dogs.

Edited January 3, 2007 by Simoman

[justpiddlin76 0]

Bull breeds would definately have the desire and so would all the staghound type breeds. Free casting and getting them to cast out 2 or 3 miles down a ditch or creek though and find the yotes would be kind of difficult with these kinds of dogs in my opinion. I would also think that even if ya could get them to do this they would be somewhat winded after having to run a few miles to jump one and then actually run one down. I ran a yote last year for and hour and 35 minutes which is way longer than I ever want to run one and I got to see most of the race and them dogs was haulin ass behind him. As far as the dogs fighting the game, I love that part. Maybe I am a little twisted or what not, but I like watching my dogs and a big old boar coon or a big ass dog coyote go fang to fang.