doubling up

[Guest busterdog]

Never never never never. OK I'll tell the truth. Have done it several times over the years but never to get the quarry always to get the terrier that's been lost.

Remember seeing a second terrier entered years ago into a massive place to bolt a fox that was playing cat and mouse with a good fox killing terrier for hours. He bolted in minutes.

When the JRT was the most common type here seen it done loads of times.

Stitched a terrier for a lad last year. He told me he didn't think the other two terriers that were with her needed stitching.

Usually a very foolish thing to do and anyone who says they've never seen it done is a liar or new to terriers.

 

 

Well said Neil, thats the most honest answer i've seen on here.

["Earth!" 503]

never done it never would BUT................

 

 

not naming names-

 

so and so has hardly any permition,finds a place holding,enters one,it finds then...

feck it,let them all in,each get a scar then hey presto....

 

 

can also enter the terriers in the entered classes and all freshly marked up.

 

chance of a red rossette

[tatty 101]

some sad people about.

[william slater mcgregor 2]

when i first started i did double up now and again ,but i didnt have anyone but myself to learn from but soon stopped when a terrier got it from front [fox] and back[other terrier] also most of the foxes were in rabbit burrows so spent more time digging rabbits than foxes but that was down to inexperience,now a days a no it all [my arse] lol atb

[moi654321 17]

i learned this is a thing never to do from an experience over 20 years ago,i was in my late teens,started digging with a couple of well EXPERIENCED terrier lads who were in their late 20's and early 30's,we went to a spot in the bottom of a dis-used quarry,but it was a earth and not a crack,a depth ranging from 4 to 8ft and about 8 holes and nearly always held a fox,one of the EXPERIENCED terrier men ( or so i thought,being just a slip of a lad in comparison to them) had a young black dog which had started very well,and had half a dozen digs or so and about 15 months old at the time,dog was collared up,place was netted,dog was entered.

this fox wasnt in no mood to be bolted or bottled up,and was round and round,although showed at the nets a couple of times in the 1st hour or so,but he knew something wasnt right,we sat a while and waited to see if anything would change,by this time the dog had been in now maybe 2 1/2 hours,but no steady mark to dig to him,then the other EXPERIENCED terrier man had a brain wave to enter his dog also,even me being much their junior wasnt keen on this idea,but who was i (i thought) to disagree with these 2 EXPERINCED terrier men or voice my opinion,i should be gratefull they were allowing me to digging in their company,so i said nothing,this dog was also collared up and entered.

no signs of a bolt,although the dog'S had seemed to stay at one spot at about 5 feet,gave them a short while,made a bit of racket to see if they were gonna stay there,which they did,these 2 EXPERIENCED terriermen were pleased with themselves thinking the second dog had done the trick,i had my doubts,a hole was started,first 2 feet were easy going soft soil,then we hit limestone,took us nearly 3 hours to get through from first hitting the limestone,there was a lot of commotion below ground happening as if a dog was being punished by the fox.

we eventually broke through to see the second dog entered clamped on to the young dogs rear left leg (if you could call what was left a leg) and it was the younger dog screaming from the other dog worrying him we had been hearing whilst digging down both dogs had to be dug round and removed toghether from the dig as there was no other means to get the dog with a grip of the leg to let go,eventually we got them out and still took some geting this dogs bear trap like grip off once up out of the dig,fox was also removed and humanly dispatched,the sight of the damage this dog had sustained was a sight i will never forget,all his muscles were tore from the bone,no skin at all on the leg,around his hock all the ligaments were snapped and dangling to the floor,the owner of the injured dog dropped everthing (to his credit) and got the dog to a vets immediatly which was about 3 miles from where we were,the bill initally for trying to save the dogs leg was £480 (good lump of money then) 10 days later the dog had to have the leg removed another £200,a week later the dog had to be put down due to infection,a real shame promising dog let down by his owner

an expensive price to pay for a moment of idiocy,and a vital lesson learned at the right time for me in my early years learning the game

i do agree though the ONLY time a second dog should be entered is if on a rescue and the lost dog to ground has no locator and it really is the last resort and tried every other avenue first, also dogs to ground in this situation must never be the same sex,tbh i think if i lost one of mine by some misfortune to ground,id only enter a dog i have in my kennels to be entered to find the lost animal,as they all same family and non fighters and got a good bond between them ,but i still wouldnt be comfortable in doing so

 

sorry for my lengthy post

moi654321

Edited October 23, 2010 by moi654321

[Guest dee mac]

i learned this is a thing never to do from an experience over 20 years ago,i was in my late teens,started digging with a couple of well EXPERIENCED terrier lads who were in their late 20's and early 30's,we went to a spot in the bottom of a dis-used quarry,but it was a earth and not a crack,a depth ranging from 4 to 8ft and about 8 holes and nearly always held a fox,one of the EXPERIENCED terrier men ( or so i thought,being just a slip of a lad in comparison to them) had a young black dog which had started very well,and had half a dozen digs or so and about 15 months old at the time,dog was collared up,place was netted,dog was entered.

this fox wasnt in no mood to be bolted or bottled up,and was round and round,although showed at the nets a couple of times in the 1st hour or so,but he knew something wasnt right,we sat a while and waited to see if anything would change,by this time the dog had been in now maybe 2 1/2 hours,but no steady mark to dig to him,then the other EXPERIENCED terrier man had a brain wave to enter his dog also,even me being much their junior wasnt keen on this idea,but who was i (i thought) to disagree with these 2 EXPERINCED terrier men or voice my opinion,i should be gratefull they were allowing me to digging in their company,so i said nothing,this dog was also collared up and entered.

no signs of a bolt,although the dog'S had seemed to stay at one spot at about 5 feet,gave them a short while,made a bit of racket to see if they were gona stay there,which they did,these 2 EXPERIENCED terriermen were pleased with themselves thinking the second dog had done the trick,i had my doubts,a hole was started,first 2 feet were easy going soft soil,then we hit limestone,took us nearly 3 hours to get through from first hitting the limestone,there was a lot of commotion below ground happening as if a dog was being punished by the fox.

we eventually broke through to see the second dog entered clamped on to the young dogs rear left leg (if you could call what was left a leg) and it was the younger dog screaming from the other dog worring him we had been hearing whilst digging down both dogs had to be dug round and removed toghether from the dig as there was no other means to get the dog with a grip of the leg to let go,eventually we got them out and still took some geting this dogs bear trap like grip off once up out of the dig,fox was also removed and humanly dispatched,the sight of the damage this dog had sustained was a sight i will never forget,all his muscles were tore from the bone,no skin at all on the leg,around his hock all the ligaments were snapped and dangling to the floor,the owner of the injured dog dropped everthing (to his credit) and got the dog to a vets immediatly which was about 3 miles from where we were,the bill initally for trying to save the dogs leg was £480 (good lump of money then) 10 days later the dog had to have the leg removed another £200,a week later the dog had to be put down due to infection,a real shame promising dog let down by his owner

an expensive price to pay for a moment of idiocy,and a vital lesson learned at the right time for me in my early years learning the game

i do agree though the ONLY time a second dog should be entered is if on a rescue and the lost dog to ground has no locator and it really is the last resort and tried every other avenue first, also dogs to ground in this situation must never be the same sex,tbh i think if i lost one of mine by some misfortune to ground,id only enter a dog i have in my kennels to be entered to find the lost animal,as they all same family and non fighters and got a good bond between them ,but i still wouldnt be comfortable in doing so

 

sorry for my lengthy post

moi654321

dont be sorry mate every young lad starting out in terriers should be made read that post also think lads that double up know there dogs are not up too scratch but just wont admit it too themselves .

[fmwtc 12]

i have in the past entered a pup by once breaking through letting the youngster in at the side of the dog and then removing the entered dog leaving the pup but these days prefer to let them get going in there own time.i did the terrierwork for a pack a few years ago and the first day out with them i got to an earth and the huntsman had two dogs in already i asked him why and his replie was it gets results couldnt understand it really as one terrier would get the same result in my eyes he also commented i have never seen a decent black en they will never come out bloody pain in the arse if you ask me.i used and still use black ens and he couldnt complain about any of them all doing the job on there own i since moved on and i would say he is back to his old ways each to there own but not my way of doing.we also lost a dog when i was a kid and tagging along with the terrierman for our local pack in a big rock spot the bitch bolting two foxes for the hunt and staying in on another we moved rock all day but hit disaster we could here the dog taking pain but couldnt get her the huntsman whom in my eyes now should of known better as he had been profesional terrierman for a good few years for a big hunt in north yorks entered a big black dog this en will kill it he said and with a bit of luck theylll come away yes it came away his big black hero dog smashed to bits and no sign of the old bitch and no more noise we spent days there waiting but she had gone i will never do it and would never be part of any one who was contemplating it like dee mac said they cant think much of there dogs

[the_stig 6,614]

used to happen a lot to locate fox/terrier and sometimes if you needed a sounder or in big places ---

[steve2 7]

a lad i no (no name )i was with him on the day he enterd a dog in a hard spot . he enterd a dog with a collar on it must of been dodgy he tryed it befor entering the dog and it was fine but it wasnt fine 8 foot down ! to find the dog he put his bitch behind the dog with a collar on that was working right to find it . when we got down he found the bitch had eaten the dogs arse and the dog only has 1 ball now and the dog is spued usless . That was a brilliant dog spoiled by putting another behind it .

[neil cooney 10,416]

Several years ago a friend of mine put a dodgy collar (IMO all the old collars were dodgy) on a mute terrier and entered him in a large place.

An hour later we couldn't locate the terrier. He asked would I collar up my Pip and enter her. Now at this stage Pip had two digs under her belt and was looking very promising. She was also mute so on this occasion I said "No".

My friend went home for another bitch to use. By the time he came back we nearly had his terrier out by lieing on our bellies the old fashioned way. We soon lifted his terrier with it's game but it nearly cost me a friendship. Pip went on to work for 9 full seasons and was a hard honest bitch to the end. I genuinely think if I'd let her go that day it was game over.

Another time I dropped a young bitch called Rua into a place to find a young terrier called Sid whose collar had been tore off at the start of the dig and crushed.

We dug Rua at one end of this big place with her quarry and no sign of Sid. We waited another few hours and Sid came off.

If I remember correctly that was Sids first time to ground and he was killed on his second dig.

IMO if your going to use hard terriers in big places then have new batteries and good diggers with you.

IF you have to enter a second one to find a terrier I find an old seasoned bitch is the best choice.

[tinytiger 822]

never done it never would BUT................

 

 

not naming names-

 

so and so has hardly any permition,finds a place holding,enters one,it finds then...

feck it,let them all in,each get a scar then hey presto....

 

 

can also enter the terriers in the entered classes and all freshly marked up.

 

chance of a red rossette

 

Theres plenty fellows that would mark them up with a stanley blade as well.If i ever have a dog run to ground unexpectedly(without a collar)-i have a tiny russell bitch -a little fart of a thing ,7-8lb she wouldnt bite through a sheet of paper,,id put her in to find out was happening-she never mixes just a commentator-a fair voice on her for the size of her though.Ive done it starting pups as well ( with their dam) but it would depend on the burrow and depend on the dogs in question.

[rob84 112]

Going back when we were younger when we could hunting my mate had three jack russels on his farm, it was a job to ever see them on the yard as they were allways off hunting. Remember loads of saturdays and sundays when we couldnt go hunting because the effing dogs had buggered off with out us, and had to wait untill they came back. sometimes the next day and through luck allways came home sometimes worste for wear a bit, but they had some fun somewhere!!!

 

When they were around we used to take them out out and there were always 2 to ground and they neva really got hammered, usually 1 one was at the nasty end and one holding at the rear.

We always had stuff and (LUCKILY) it never ruined the dogs and they could also work on thier own!

But back then we were none the wiser to putting more than 1 dog to ground. But you learn, and nowdays we never have more than one.

 

We still talk about it sometime....remember such and such a place were they pilled in and something happend.......ect

 

Happy Digging Boys!

[Waz 4,252]

I have never entered 2 dogs of mine to ground. A lot of lads I dig with and have dug with do. Why? there dogs are shit, and they know no better.

[fish 148]

I have never entered 2 dogs of mine to ground. A lot of lads I dig with and have dug with do. Why? there dogs are shit, and they know no better.

your right bud they know no better

[rederic 0]

Never never never never. OK I'll tell the truth. Have done it several times over the years but never to get the quarry always to get the terrier that's been lost.

Remember seeing a second terrier entered years ago into a massive place to bolt a fox that was playing cat and mouse with a good fox killing terrier for hours. He bolted in minutes.

When the JRT was the most common type here seen it done loads of times.

Stitched a terrier for a lad last year. He told me he didn't think the other two terriers that were with her needed stitching.

Usually a very foolish thing to do and anyone who says they've never seen it done is a liar or new to terriers.