webley tracker 22

[hughesrobert13 0]

hi there i have a webley tracker and im looking to renew the old spring as it is very worn. i want to know what spring kits you guys can reccomend im not looking for power. i want consistencey and as least of a kick i can get. or even a gas ram but was told you need an fac these days to purchase a gas ram any help would be great thanks rob

[Phantom 631]

Hey Rob

 

You would only need an FAC for a ram if it was producing over the 12ft/lbs Muzzle energy Who ever told you that was talking out their gas port lol

 

A Number 3 Ox mainspring will fit

 

Phantom

[andyfr1968 772]

Don't fit an OX!!!! It'll over-spring your Tracker and it'll be horrible to shoot....

 

I had one with a gas-ram and it made the gun much better to shoot, no twangs, a lot less rattles, much smoother and quieter too.

 

Donnyc on here sells them, drop him a PM, he's a good bloke to deal with I've had a few rams off him and they're sound. Made by the same folks who make the rams for Theoben.

 

Cheers.

[Phantom 631]

Well in there Andy,

 

I'd forgotten about DonnyC

 

Yes he does them at a very good price and as I said earlier you won't need an FAC for a Sub 12.

 

Dunno why people are so against Ox Springs though

 

Most springs are made by the same companies and if they were really that shite; dont you think that the company would have gone bust by now?

They've been making the springs (well actually they have been Marketing the springs) since well before I heard of them back in the late 70's

 

It would be interesting to find the manufacturer of the springs and find out how many different companies market them

 

Phantom

[andyfr1968 772]

The problem with OX springs is that they've been tradeing on the myth that they created for themselves many years ago that they had more spring power due to their square cross section. The early one's were pretty good quality but from the mid 's on, they're crap. They snap on a regular basis, colapse very easily in use and tend to over-spring nearly every gun they're fitted to.

 

It is odd though, 'cos Titan springs are made by the same folks who make springs for OX and they're normally very good.

 

As for stuff not being any good and still selling, can I just mention Prometheus pellets???

 

Cheers, Tony.

[hughesrobert13 0]

cheers guys i will get in touch with donnyc do you know how much the gas rams are. and what are the guns like to shoot when fitted. i have got rid of all my guns i had pcps and then this popped up cheap but it needs some tlc

[Phantom 631]

The problem with OX springs is that they've been tradeing on the myth that they created for themselves many years ago that they had more spring power due to their square cross section. The early one's were pretty good quality but from the mid 's on, they're crap. They snap on a regular basis, colapse very easily in use and tend to over-spring nearly every gun they're fitted to.

 

It is odd though, 'cos Titan springs are made by the same folks who make springs for OX and they're normally very good.

 

As for stuff not being any good and still selling, can I just mention Prometheus pellets???

 

Cheers, Tony.

 

Thank you Andy, I did not know they were the square section ones.

I know that a company (I thought it was Titan) made a square spring, not just a cross section but a spring that would not roll down hill lol (if you get what I mean).

 

As for the Prometheus Pellets, are they actually still manufacturing or did they just push out such a huge quantity that it's gonna take a couple of centuries of nieave newbies to go through the numbers

 

Speaking of PromPels, I've still got 4 tubs in .22

Wonder if they'd be any good in the Westlake B2 I've just finished Refurbing

They could just turn it into a smoothbore with all the crap plastic they leave in the barrel :11:

 

Phantom

[andyfr1968 772]

cheers guys i will get in touch with donnyc do you know how much the gas rams are. and what are the guns like to shoot when fitted. i have got rid of all my guns i had pcps and then this popped up cheap but it needs some tlc

 

Hi, mate.

 

As I said above. What you'll also notice is the gun will be a bit harded to cock ( ) and the recoil will be different....

 

That last bit is hard to explain, there's no more or less recoil but with a ram fitted, they go off with a bit more of a snap rather than the lazy recoil you get with a steel spring. This is no bad thing 'cos the lock time is reduced quite a bit (the time between the trigger letting all the mechanical gubbins go and the projectile leaving the barrel). This tends to make them a little less hold sensative in use...

 

Cheers.

 

Edit.... It's a while since I got one from Donny but they used to be around £40.

Edited October 13, 2010 by andyfr1968

[andyfr1968 772]

The problem with OX springs is that they've been tradeing on the myth that they created for themselves many years ago that they had more spring power due to their square cross section. The early one's were pretty good quality but from the mid 's on, they're crap. They snap on a regular basis, colapse very easily in use and tend to over-spring nearly every gun they're fitted to.

 

It is odd though, 'cos Titan springs are made by the same folks who make springs for OX and they're normally very good.

 

As for stuff not being any good and still selling, can I just mention Prometheus pellets???

 

Cheers, Tony.

 

Thank you Andy, I did not know they were the square section ones.

I know that a company (I thought it was Titan) made a square spring, not just a cross section but a spring that would not roll down hill lol (if you get what I mean).

 

As for the Prometheus Pellets, are they actually still manufacturing or did they just push out such a huge quantity that it's gonna take a couple of centuries of nieave newbies to go through the numbers

 

Speaking of PromPels, I've still got 4 tubs in .22

Wonder if they'd be any good in the Westlake B2 I've just finished Refurbing

They could just turn it into a smoothbore with all the crap plastic they leave in the barrel :11:

 

Phantom

 

I only ever fitted OX springs to a customer's specific request but it was good as my workbench back then was on a slope, so at least they didn't roll off onto the floor!!!

 

Titan do a square wire spring and it's exactly the same spring as the OX, I'd forgotten about them... it was their normal round wire spring I was refering to, they're normally very good.

 

Good point about them Proms.... Maybe they're still selling off stock-piles of the bloody things that were made 20 years ago to folks who don't know any better...

 

The new tin pellets from Prometheus (Dynamic) are top shelf stuff. I've not found a gun that does not shoot well with them. I use them in my HW90 .20 and my RWS52 .177 and they're the best pellets I've found for both. Shame they're so feckin' expensive!!!!

Edited October 13, 2010 by andyfr1968

[donnyc 1,203]

cheers guys i will get in touch with donnyc do you know how much the gas rams are. and what are the guns like to shoot when fitted. i have got rid of all my guns i had pcps and then this popped up cheap but it needs some tlc

 

Hi, mate.

 

As I said above. What you'll also notice is the gun will be a bit harded to cock ( ) and the recoil will be different....

 

That last bit is hard to explain, there's no more or less recoil but with a ram fitted, they go off with a bit more of a snap rather than the lazy recoil you get with a steel spring. This is no bad thing 'cos the lock time is reduced quite a bit (the time between the trigger letting all the mechanical gubbins go and the projectile leaving the barrel). This tends to make them a little less hold sensative in use...

 

Cheers.

 

Edit.... It's a while since I got one from Donny but they used to be around £40.

They are £41 posted ..Trouble is on here they ask for one then disapear with no PMs back ..Perhaps they rather pay over£70 LOL..But thats the THL price

[Phantom 631]

They are £41 posted ..Trouble is on here they ask for one then disapear with no PMs back ..Perhaps they rather pay over£70 LOL..But thats the THL price

 

 

I still want one especially after using a rifle with one in it just have a whole world of other "apparently more important things to buy and pay for" Bloody wife

 

At that price, they are as I said above very good value

 

Phantom

[hughesrobert13 0]

They are £41 posted ..Trouble is on here they ask for one then disapear with no PMs back ..Perhaps they rather pay over£70 LOL..But thats the THL price

 

 

I still want one especially after using a rifle with one in it just have a whole world of other "apparently more important things to buy and pay for" Bloody wife

 

At that price, they are as I said above very good value

 

Phantom

 

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