gwp

[lurchers 2,752]

ive been offered a gwp but im just wondering if they make allround gundogs or will a spaniel be better for rougth shooting.

[lampinglurcher 36]

who offered you the pup mate? i'm also seriously considering a pup, but like you i want an all round gundog, not so much a pointing dog. hopefully kiwi, mustwork and others will get in on this topic and share some wisdom but as far as i know they can be very very good all round gundogs

Atb with whatever you choose

[lurchers 2,752]

who offered you the pup mate? i'm also seriously considering a pup, but like you i want an all round gundog, not so much a pointing dog. hopefully kiwi, mustwork and others will get in on this topic and share some wisdom but as far as i know they can be very very good all round gundogs

Atb with whatever you choose

a good friend offered me 1 for nothing,i like the breed very much but the only dogs that work for me is the spaniels as ive never seen the pointers work were ive been beating so im open minded to this and i hope people can help me make my mind up.

[Tiercel 6,986]

Some 10 years ago I saw my first GWP working, she was working with a MHHawk and boy did they make a good team. A couple of years later I had a pup of that bitch that turned out to be one of the best working dogs that I have owned. He would work with the HHawk, pick up duck while out wildfowling, point Woodcock, ferreting marked warrens from 20 yards away sometimes and I used him in his last season picking up on a shoot.

 

I have never seen a breed of dog that can adapt so well to most disciplines, not only do them but do them well. Sadly I lost him when he was only 4 to lungworm. I have another now (owner moving abroad so basically a rescue dog) and while he does most things well he has different talents to my last one.

 

One thing I will say is if you have not trained a HPR before be prepared for a few shocks to the system. They have an arragance about them and you have to earn their respect, once you do, the dogs will jump through fire for you. But until you have them they can make you feel as if you have never trained a dog before. To sum them up it's yes I'll do it but in my time not yours Oh and one last word lose your temper with them and you will knock your training back a good month in not longer.

 

Brett my first GWP doing a blind retrieve over water on the marsh.

 

 

 

Marking a warren while ferreting.

 

 

Casting out down wind to find a winged pigeon that is in a ditch under the bent tree. He has just winded the bird.

 

 

Bird retrieved live to hand.

 

 

They are big running dogs, and will cover a lot of ground during a day. The biggest shock to me when I trained the first one was that he was just as easy to control at a hundred yards as 10 yards. If you have only trained spaniels before be prepared this is something totally different.

 

TC

Edited October 11, 2010 by tiercel

[lurchers 2,752]

Some 10 years ago I saw my first GWP working, she was working with a MHHawk and boy did they make a good team. A couple of years later I had a pup of that bitch that turned out to be one of the best working dogs that I have owned. He would work with the HHawk, pick up duck while out wildfowling, point Woodcock, ferreting marked warrens from 20 yards away sometimes and I used him in his last season picking up on a shoot.

 

I have never seen a breed of dog that can adapt so well to most disciplines, not only do them but do them well. Sadly I lost him when he was only 4 to lungworm. I have another now (owner moving abroad so basically a rescue dog) and while he does most things well he has different talents to my last one.

 

One thing I will say is if you have not trained a HPR before be prepared for a few shocks to the system. They have an arragance about them and you have to earn their respect, once you do, the dogs will jump through fire for you. But until you have them they can make you feel as if you have never trained a dog before. To sum them up it's yes I'll do it but in my time not yours Oh and one last word lose your temper with them and you will knock your training back a good month in not longer.

 

Brett my first GWP doing a blind retrieve over water on the marsh.

 

 

 

Marking a warren while ferreting.

 

 

Casting out down wind to find a winged pigeon that is in a ditch under the bent tree. He has just winded the bird.

 

 

Bird retrieved live to hand.

 

 

They are big running dogs, and will cover a lot of ground during a day. The biggest shock to me when I trained the first one was that he was just as easy to control at a hundred yards as 10 yards. If you have only trained spaniels before be prepared this is something totally different.

 

TC

thanks for that mate,i like the breed anyway so i will be plagueing people for help when the pup comes off.atb

[BRY 79]

I lost my GWP last year to cancer, she was 13 going strong till then. Also i got her for working with my Harris Hawk. She would also work with the gun/ferrets/lurchers. to me she was a all rounder.

Retrieve point and work the heavy bush if there was anything in there.

 

They aren't like spaniels who will work bushes and and cover just for the sake of it, GWP aren't that stupid all that unnecessary hard bush work ( they will go in when they are sure there's scent in that bramble/ whatever)

 

She also was used for beating on our shoot, alot said oh they are only good on the moors ranging wide Load BULL lol my GWP found lost birds a lot where the ess couldn't As terciel said they don't take to being shouted at at all.

 

But also as a guard dog and fantastic with kids can't fault them. I forgot another thing she used to retrieve shot foxes.

 

I hope to get another soon i miss my GWP lots

 

Bry

[Lab 10,979]

ive been offered a gwp but im just wondering if they make allround gundogs or will a spaniel be better for rougth shooting.

The dog will do the job with ease just as a lab would do but i would make the decision on what kind of cover you will be working. If its going to be alot of gorse then i would look no further than a spaniel but if its going to work heather, braken and maybe game cover then the choice is yours

[ozzieowl 53]

great dogs mines just 12months old just right for trainig he does most things markup retrieve ok with ferrets and hawks.

[JOHNBOY 18]

would you say that gwp are harder to train than ess ? are they good for first gundogs ?

[ozzieowl 53]

hes got to be the easiest dog to train ive ever had from being a pup, never had a problem,hes my first gwp and everyone said they are hard dogs to train well i must have dropped on,great dogs.

[Tiercel 6,986]

would you say that gwp are harder to train than ess ? are they good for first gundogs ?

 

 

If you have never trained a dog before then training a GWP would be no different to training a spaniel or lab as you would have to learn how to train the dog. However, if you have gotten into the mold of training Labs & Spaniels, training a HPR dog can come as a shock to the system. You do not want the dog to stay close, you want them to range, thats how they find game by covering a lot of ground. If you are not comfortable working a dog up to half a mile away then leave the HPR breeds alone for your own sanity.

 

I have a mate in Canada who works HPR on their grouse, they follow the dogs on horse back and the dogs can be working up to a mile away from them. When the dogs find grouse they come on point and hold the point till they arrive. Fantastic to watch.

 

TC

[wirehairmax 0]

This is my fella doing a jailbreak. Had to put a roof on his pen to keep him in. he does everything on his own terms. I have him fairly well under control to the whistle but have never been able to get him to sit. he just stubbornly refuses to sit. Anyone any tips?

He is heading for 2 now and this is his first full season. Pointing ok but does run in a bit so you have to be quick to get the shot. How would i get him to hold the point until I'm in position for the shot? I have tried to just walk up slowly and not to rush him but if the bird starts to move in he goes whereas the setters we have seem to be able to hold a bird. How do I get him to steady up and flush on command?

[andyg 1]

my gwp is a great all rounder she points and retreives rabbits ,ducks,quail.loves going lamping and foxing and will bail up big pigs and grab any pigs about her own size.

[Davidh 5]

At 2 years old it will be difficult. The fact that he runs in means you did not instill basic obedience eg sit and stay. If these weren't rock solid from the start you should not have moved on in training until they were. If you are beating with him then this is a serious problem as if he does this on a drive he could easliy be shot! Go back to basics, and get them rock solid then address any problems.

 

Hope this does not sound pompous. I am just offering my opinion.