feeding before a nights graft

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

Great post, socks!

[Casso 1,261]

Hi guys,

 

My routine everytime im planning a few hours out on the lamp with my saluki/whippet x grey bitch is normal feed at around 7am then at around 6pm a bowl of beaten egg, sugar and milk so to give her some energy and to ensure she hasnt got a full stomach incase of twists when twisting and turning on the quarry.

 

Normally within 1.5 - 2 hours lamping I average 5-10 push 15 if the wind is up, this is a pretty decent tally on small hedge lined fields.

 

However last night I put the normal egg/sugar/milk mix down for the longdog and put half a bowl of dry mixer down for my terrier, turned my back for 2 secs and the lurcher had nailed both bowls.

 

I thought I would go out anyway and stretch her legs and low and behold she was half hearted and didnt seem to be giving her usual 110 percent work rate.

 

Weather was ok ish and she ran around 8-10 and only bagged 1.

 

I know there are good and bad days but I just wondered if you guys had any thoughts on feeding prior to a nights graft?

 

ATB

 

REX

 

 

I wouldn't even feed him that evening, its hunger that drives animals in the wild, wolves might not eat for 3 or 4 days and its the hunger that drives the hunt ,and after running and hunting up to 5 or 6 hours and running possibly 15 miles they might make a kill if lucky, if not they do it next day,,a hungry dog is a must if you want to get the best out of him,,if you think a dog is going to drop after a few runs because hes hungry, their is something serious wrong with his everyday feed,,best of luck,,

 

a wolf in the wild is completely different to a running dog specificaly bred to be a speed merchant ... a wolfs physical shape and metibolical usage of his food is completely different than a running dogs ... the amound of energy used in 10 fast runs far exceeds what a wolf would use in a loping long run ... a lack of food will give the dog a loss of energy and a build up of lactic acid in the muscles ... a dog will digest a small to medium sized meat based meal in 8 hours so if you feed the dog at midday you would be fine ... also eggs sugar and milk will do nothing for a dogs energy supply dogs derive their energy from fats so a mrdium sized fatty meat meal at midday will do your dog far more good than starving or feeding eggs milok and sugar .......

 

What im getting at bud is the drive in the canine is hunger driven, wolves are a different canine ,no doubt, but both, function on the same principle, and that is that the drive is upmost when the gut of the canine is empty,,whichever way they hunt is irrelevant,,the main compulsion to perform come from the same area of the body,, the digestive system not the brain,,

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

casso, any animal including humans compete better when they are emptied out but.........you are takin a very complicated issue and tryin to make it simple. The drive that our dogs show us when we hunt them really has very little to do with hunger. No wild canine of any sort would go through what a domesitcated lurcher will go through just to do what they do. Its and entirely different thought process. No undomesticated animal will even do what a human will do. Pit two humans in the ring together and they will beat each other half to death. Put two strange coyotes in a pit together and each will go hide in a corner. The same can be said about dogs, they are nothing like a wild canine and so far removed that they shouldnt even be compared at all really.

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

A hunting dogs unlike a wild canine also has to have carbohydrates to perform at peak levels where a wild canine never has to have them cuz they are never performing at peak levels cuz first off they cant afford to or they will die.

[Casso 1,261]

casso, any animal including humans compete better when they are emptied out but.........you are takin a very complicated issue and tryin to make it simple. The drive that our dogs show us when we hunt them really has very little to do with hunger. No wild canine of any sort would go through what a domesitcated lurcher will go through just to do what they do. Its and entirely different thought process. No undomesticated animal will even do what a human will do. Pit two humans in the ring together and they will beat each other half to death. Put two strange coyotes in a pit together and each will go hide in a corner. The same can be said about dogs, they are nothing like a wild canine and so far removed that they shouldnt even be compared at all really.

 

Dan, you know as well as i do that a full dog will not perform as well as a empty one , the reason for that is that the canine feels the world through its stomach an not its brain ,the canine feels its way in life , through its gut,,

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

casso, any animal including humans compete better when they are emptied out but.........you are takin a very complicated issue and tryin to make it simple. The drive that our dogs show us when we hunt them really has very little to do with hunger. No wild canine of any sort would go through what a domesitcated lurcher will go through just to do what they do. Its and entirely different thought process. No undomesticated animal will even do what a human will do. Pit two humans in the ring together and they will beat each other half to death. Put two strange coyotes in a pit together and each will go hide in a corner. The same can be said about dogs, they are nothing like a wild canine and so far removed that they shouldnt even be compared at all really.

 

Dan, you know as well as i do that a full dog will not perform as well as a empty one , the reason for that is that the canine feels the world through its stomach an not its brain ,the canine feels its way in life , through its gut,,

 

I agree with you that a full dog will not perfrom like and emptied out dog. And while I will agree that to a very small extent there may be some truth to your theory about them feeling the world through its stomach, its still only a very small part of it. So small as to not be worth talkin about.

[Guest 1 man and hiz dog]

Hi guys,

 

My routine everytime im planning a few hours out on the lamp with my saluki/whippet x grey bitch is normal feed at around 7am then at around 6pm a bowl of beaten egg, sugar and milk so to give her some energy and to ensure she hasnt got a full stomach incase of twists when twisting and turning on the quarry.

 

Normally within 1.5 - 2 hours lamping I average 5-10 push 15 if the wind is up, this is a pretty decent tally on small hedge lined fields.

 

However last night I put the normal egg/sugar/milk mix down for the longdog and put half a bowl of dry mixer down for my terrier, turned my back for 2 secs and the lurcher had nailed both bowls.

 

I thought I would go out anyway and stretch her legs and low and behold she was half hearted and didnt seem to be giving her usual 110 percent work rate.

 

Weather was ok ish and she ran around 8-10 and only bagged 1.

 

I know there are good and bad days but I just wondered if you guys had any thoughts on feeding prior to a nights graft?

 

ATB

 

REX

 

 

I wouldn't even feed him that evening, its hunger that drives animals in the wild, wolves might not eat for 3 or 4 days and its the hunger that drives the hunt ,and after running and hunting up to 5 or 6 hours and running possibly 15 miles they might make a kill if lucky, if not they do it next day,,a hungry dog is a must if you want to get the best out of him,,if you think a dog is going to drop after a few runs because hes hungry, their is something serious wrong with his everyday feed,,best of luck,,

i find that a little bit of food does them a great deal i would never run a dog with out being fed the night before would you run the london marathon on a empty stomach

[Casso 1,261]

casso, any animal including humans compete better when they are emptied out but.........you are takin a very complicated issue and tryin to make it simple. The drive that our dogs show us when we hunt them really has very little to do with hunger. No wild canine of any sort would go through what a domesitcated lurcher will go through just to do what they do. Its and entirely different thought process. No undomesticated animal will even do what a human will do. Pit two humans in the ring together and they will beat each other half to death. Put two strange coyotes in a pit together and each will go hide in a corner. The same can be said about dogs, they are nothing like a wild canine and so far removed that they shouldnt even be compared at all really.

 

Dan, you know as well as i do that a full dog will not perform as well as a empty one , the reason for that is that the canine feels the world through its stomach an not its brain ,the canine feels its way in life , through its gut,,

 

I agree with you that a full dog will not perfrom like and emptied out dog. And while I will agree that to a very small extent there may be some truth to your theory about them feeling the world through its stomach, its still only a very small part of it. So small as to not be worth talkin about.

 

ok dan,,the term "gut feeling"is how early humans survived in stone age times,,,,it is how dogs survive today,

[Guest stewie]

casso, any animal including humans compete better when they are emptied out but.........you are takin a very complicated issue and tryin to make it simple. The drive that our dogs show us when we hunt them really has very little to do with hunger. No wild canine of any sort would go through what a domesitcated lurcher will go through just to do what they do. Its and entirely different thought process. No undomesticated animal will even do what a human will do. Pit two humans in the ring together and they will beat each other half to death. Put two strange coyotes in a pit together and each will go hide in a corner. The same can be said about dogs, they are nothing like a wild canine and so far removed that they shouldnt even be compared at all really.

 

Dan, you know as well as i do that a full dog will not perform as well as a empty one , the reason for that is that the canine feels the world through its stomach an not its brain ,the canine feels its way in life , through its gut,,

 

I agree with you that a full dog will not perfrom like and emptied out dog. And while I will agree that to a very small extent there may be some truth to your theory about them feeling the world through its stomach, its still only a very small part of it. So small as to not be worth talkin about.

:laugh:

[socks 32,253]

casso, any animal including humans compete better when they are emptied out but.........you are takin a very complicated issue and tryin to make it simple. The drive that our dogs show us when we hunt them really has very little to do with hunger. No wild canine of any sort would go through what a domesitcated lurcher will go through just to do what they do. Its and entirely different thought process. No undomesticated animal will even do what a human will do. Pit two humans in the ring together and they will beat each other half to death. Put two strange coyotes in a pit together and each will go hide in a corner. The same can be said about dogs, they are nothing like a wild canine and so far removed that they shouldnt even be compared at all really.

 

Dan, you know as well as i do that a full dog will not perform as well as a empty one , the reason for that is that the canine feels the world through its stomach an not its brain ,the canine feels its way in life , through its gut,,

 

casso that is a very outdated veiw ... do you think collies work the hill better because they are hungry ??? do you think top class greyhounds chase a mechanical hare because they havnt been fed ??? the truth is that wild animals are driven to hunt through hunger and necesity ... eat or die its as simple as that ... however canis familiaris the domestic dog hunts herds chases etc because we have conditioned it to do so over hundereds of years ... it knows from living with humans from the day it is born that it is going to get fed daily ... if hunger was the driving force behind its desire to catch would it not then run off and eat its prey like its wild cousine ??????????

[Deano7 22]

I usually feed mine 50% of a normal meal about 8 hours before i go out !!!

 

Does anybody think thats too close to go going out also ?

[Casso 1,261]

casso, any animal including humans compete better when they are emptied out but.........you are takin a very complicated issue and tryin to make it simple. The drive that our dogs show us when we hunt them really has very little to do with hunger. No wild canine of any sort would go through what a domesitcated lurcher will go through just to do what they do. Its and entirely different thought process. No undomesticated animal will even do what a human will do. Pit two humans in the ring together and they will beat each other half to death. Put two strange coyotes in a pit together and each will go hide in a corner. The same can be said about dogs, they are nothing like a wild canine and so far removed that they shouldnt even be compared at all really.

 

Dan, you know as well as i do that a full dog will not perform as well as a empty one , the reason for that is that the canine feels the world through its stomach an not its brain ,the canine feels its way in life , through its gut,,

 

casso that is a very outdated veiw ... do you think collies work the hill better because they are hungry ??? do you think top class greyhounds chase a mechanical hare because they havnt been fed ??? the truth is that wild animals are driven to hunt through hunger and necesity ... eat or die its as simple as that ... however canis familiaris the domestic dog hunts herds chases etc because we have conditioned it to do so over hundereds of years ... it knows from living with humans from the day it is born that it is going to get fed daily ... if hunger was the driving force behind its desire to catch would it not then run off and eat its prey like its wild cousine ??????????

collies do work better when hungry socks ,,all canines work better when hungry,,we have conditioned them to act in certain ways of course,,but the dog is emotionally connected to us, he has a pull to aline himself with us,,when a dog does not have that , he will feck off and eat his catch,,sorry bout slow responce , im shit on this thing,,

[socks 32,253]

i have always got a much better result from a collie that has been fed a small amount before a hard day on the hill ... a hungrey dog cannot last at a hard days graft FACT ...........

[Casso 1,261]

i have always got a much better result from a collie that has been fed a small amount before a hard day on the hill ... a hungrey dog cannot last at a hard days graft FACT ...........

 

 

ok,,best of luck ,

[rex 8]

Quality answers and discussion chap, good to read about dogs setup with regards to where it pulls it energy from, I knew it was a bad idea and it really really showed.

Thanks for all the replies

 

Rex