feeding before a nights graft

[picardy greyhounds 0]

as far as needing carbohydrates goes [bANNED TEXT] canines becane familiaris they couldnt digest carbs th only dogs able t digest carbs up t like 250 yr back was th saluki so wild wolves cudn pitch into a bowl of pasta an use it as todays dogs can i totally agree that 3 eggs 3 t 4 hours [bANNED TEXT] goin out will b th dif in catchin tht hare at th end of hard night an not catching it but thas jus my uneducated tiny bit of experiance

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

as far as needing carbohydrates goes [bANNED TEXT] canines becane familiaris they couldnt digest carbs th only dogs able t digest carbs up t like 250 yr back was th saluki so wild wolves cudn pitch into a bowl of pasta an use it as todays dogs can i totally agree that 3 eggs 3 t 4 hours [bANNED TEXT] goin out will b th dif in catchin tht hare at th end of hard night an not catching it but thas jus my uneducated tiny bit of experiance

 

I think you been readin too much romantic bullshit if you think that a salukis digestive system is that much different than lets just say a greyhounds.

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

casso that is a very outdated veiw ... do you think collies work the hill better because they are hungry ??? do you think top class greyhounds chase a mechanical hare because they havnt been fed ??? the truth is that wild animals are driven to hunt through hunger and necesity ... eat or die its as simple as that ... however canis familiaris the domestic dog hunts herds chases etc because we have conditioned it to do so over hundereds of years ... it knows from living with humans from the day it is born that it is going to get fed daily ... if hunger was the driving force behind its desire to catch would it not then run off and eat its prey like its wild cousine ??????????

 

Once again.

[Casso 1,261]

The driving force behind all canine work is to kill, certain traits have been taken out, or exploited to suit us,,the canine is an animal that lives totally in the moment, he has no idea of time ,,he has no idea that he will ever be fed again, he doesn't think bout the future, he has no idea whats to come, the only thing that tells him he's hungry is his gut,,so when he hunts he doesn't know its not the last time.

What he is totally based on is the feeling he get from us and what his gut is telling him,,

Come across a fallen log on a path well used by both of you,,and his gut reaction is fear,,is only a fecking log , he has seen hundreds all the time , but he cant reference it , because at this moment , he is feeling because thats how the canine mind works,

Its his gut that tells him hes hungry,,at feeding time , he may be feed at 6 every day,,so at 6 the next day , is he looking at his watch,is he f**k,, he is feeling its time because his stomach is telling him so

If you dont think his gut controls a lot of his actions, watch him more , he will work for food, he will work for praise because they both give him a good feeling where,,,,in his gut,,

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

There are alot of canine breeds that dont even have the kill motor pattern nor the disect motor pattern, casso. I cant agree with you at all this time, partner.

[socks 32,253]

The driving force behind all canine work is to kill, certain traits have been taken out, or exploited to suit us,,the canine is an animal that lives totally in the moment, he has no idea of time ,,he has no idea that he will ever be fed again, he doesn't think bout the future, he has no idea whats to come, the only thing that tells him he's hungry is his gut,,so when he hunts he doesn't know its not the last time.

What he is totally based on is the feeling he get from us and what his gut is telling him,,

Come across a fallen log on a path well used by both of you,,and his gut reaction is fear,,is only a fecking log , he has seen hundreds all the time , but he cant reference it , because at this moment , he is feeling because thats how the canine mind works,

Its his gut that tells him hes hungry,,at feeding time , he may be feed at 6 every day,,so at 6 the next day , is he looking at his watch,is he f**k,, he is feeling its time because his stomach is telling him so

If you dont think his gut controls a lot of his actions, watch him more , he will work for food, he will work for praise because they both give him a good feeling where,,,,in his gut,,

 

ah a big fan of cesar milan i see ... so you reckon dogs have no idea about time ... what about the dog that knows when its best buddy is due home from school and waits by the window at the same time every day ??? i have a funny feeling he has time appreciation and awarnes ... the driving force behind all canine work is to kill ... so guide dogs for the blind want to kill ??? hearing dogs want to kill ??? aes dogs want to kill ??? you are talking about beliefs that are very much in the past my friend the world of canine behavioure has moved on rapidly in the last few years and a great many of the old beliefs have been proven to be incorect ........

[merle24 61]

Dogs can utalise carbs thats why its in dry dogfood, enzymes in the gut see to that, amylase to be spercific.

 

In the wild a dog has no acess to carbs or more importantly the brain to know it can be utalise,, they hunt meat not maize or wheat lol. and use the protein fraction for growth and tissue repair and the fats they use to replace and store as energy,, the incluson of carbs in a dogs balanced diet is useful and calls for less fat which is longterm healthier.

 

Got agree dogs run better on last nights meal, its stored and ready to burn,, the best dogs i have seen were kept like a pack and fed what they caught with the fur still on.

[Casso 1,261]

There are alot of canine breeds that dont even have the kill motor pattern nor the disect motor pattern, casso. I cant agree with you at all this time, partner.

 

 

because its been bred out of them,,dan we'll have to agree to disagree,, humans put their own terms on how a canine behaves because its all we can reference, a dogs thinking is not a thinking its a feeling,,its how they operate,,does a cat know what your feeling, does it hell,,but the mutt does, because he can,,and thats how we've get on so well together,,

Its that feeling he get when he hungry that causes him to be unsettled in the yard, thats the exact same feeling that wolves get in the wild when its time to hunt,,very same,,its the start of the drive process,,no question,,

Edited October 9, 2010 by Casso

[beddyx 27]

think of it like this if you keep fit and run follow what you do it works the same for dogs

[merle24 61]

The driving force behind all canine work is to kill, certain traits have been taken out, or exploited to suit us,,the canine is an animal that lives totally in the moment, he has no idea of time ,,he has no idea that he will ever be fed again, he doesn't think bout the future, he has no idea whats to come, the only thing that tells him he's hungry is his gut,,so when he hunts he doesn't know its not the last time.

What he is totally based on is the feeling he get from us and what his gut is telling him,,

Come across a fallen log on a path well used by both of you,,and his gut reaction is fear,,is only a fecking log , he has seen hundreds all the time , but he cant reference it , because at this moment , he is feeling because thats how the canine mind works,

Its his gut that tells him hes hungry,,at feeding time , he may be feed at 6 every day,,so at 6 the next day , is he looking at his watch,is he f**k,, he is feeling its time because his stomach is telling him so

If you dont think his gut controls a lot of his actions, watch him more , he will work for food, he will work for praise because they both give him a good feeling where,,,,in his gut,,

 

ah a big fan of cesar milan i see ... so you reckon dogs have no idea about time ... what about the dog that knows when its best buddy is due home from school and waits by the window at the same time every day ??? i have a funny feeling he has time appreciation and awarnes ... the driving force behind all canine work is to kill ... so guide dogs for the blind want to kill ??? hearing dogs want to kill ??? aes dogs want to kill ??? you are talking about beliefs that are very much in the past my friend the world of canine behavioure has moved on rapidly in the last few years and a great many of the old beliefs have been proven to be incorect ........

 

Obviously he is refering to sighthound blood,, not yorkshrie terriers or shitzu,, your talking domesticated pets.

[Casso 1,261]

The driving force behind all canine work is to kill, certain traits have been taken out, or exploited to suit us,,the canine is an animal that lives totally in the moment, he has no idea of time ,,he has no idea that he will ever be fed again, he doesn't think bout the future, he has no idea whats to come, the only thing that tells him he's hungry is his gut,,so when he hunts he doesn't know its not the last time.

What he is totally based on is the feeling he get from us and what his gut is telling him,,

Come across a fallen log on a path well used by both of you,,and his gut reaction is fear,,is only a fecking log , he has seen hundreds all the time , but he cant reference it , because at this moment , he is feeling because thats how the canine mind works,

Its his gut that tells him hes hungry,,at feeding time , he may be feed at 6 every day,,so at 6 the next day , is he looking at his watch,is he f**k,, he is feeling its time because his stomach is telling him so

If you dont think his gut controls a lot of his actions, watch him more , he will work for food, he will work for praise because they both give him a good feeling where,,,,in his gut,,

 

ah a big fan of cesar milan i see ... so you reckon dogs have no idea about time ... what about the dog that knows when its best buddy is due home from school and waits by the window at the same time every day ??? i have a funny feeling he has time appreciation and awarnes ... the driving force behind all canine work is to kill ... so guide dogs for the blind want to kill ??? hearing dogs want to kill ??? aes dogs want to kill ??? you are talking about beliefs that are very much in the past my friend the world of canine behavioure has moved on rapidly in the last few years and a great many of the old beliefs have been proven to be incorect ........

 

im not a fan of that man ,why do ya think that, guide dog and service dogs are trained through drive,

Dogs have no idea of time, they work through feeling,,

[Bosun11 537]

Christ, this post is getting deep, interesting but deep!

 

Feeding before a nights graft was the original question, my answer is no... I feed my dogs from 9pm to 11pm nightly, if i'm going out they eat when back home, that way i don't have to worry about anything.

 

I have, in the past, tried different feeds early on, as a 'boost' to a good nights graft, the raw egg etc type stuff but if i'm honest i didn't see any difference if I fed it or not.

Dogs kept well and well run, will not suffer any loss in effort or performance if their feed time goes over, especially if their doing what they are bred for and love.

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

Wonder if these dogs knew they werent supposed to do this cuz they werent hungry. It would have been damn hard for them to be hungry considering they are on self feeders right now but I can still take them out and kill just about whatever I want with them. I remember back when I was an athlete, people used to preach alot of shit to me that didnt know sheep shit from apple butter but I clung to the men that did and ended up doing things that most couldnt ever fathom. I stick to those in the know and not somebody who read some bullshit book.

[Skinny 29]

my working lurchers have always been fed last thing at night unless there is frost a full moon or fog. Been that way since I had my first one. They go to lamp empty and and i restrict their intake of water when they are out too. I also give them a good half hour to relax before i feed them when I come home. On a side note any of you have friends whose wives seem to take the notion to feed the dogs early even though you said you were going lamping. My friends wife done this regularily and he done his nut. I would have took the air rifle out just to spite the bitch. I have never seen the mode either for giving lurchers energy drinks and the stuff coursing men use. If they are fit and have good diet there should be no need.

[Skinny 29]

my working lurchers have always been fed last thing at night unless there is frost a full moon or fog. Been that way since I had my first one. They go to lamp empty and and i restrict their intake of water when they are out too. I also give them a good half hour to relax before i feed them when I come home. On a side note any of you have friends whose wives seem to take the notion to feed the dogs early even though you said you were going lamping. My friends wife done this regularily and he done his nut. I would have took the air rifle out just to spite the bitch. I have never seen the mode either for giving lurchers energy drinks and the stuff coursing men use. If they are fit and have good diet there should be no need.