mike Tyson

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

Tyson had one style of fighting, he was brilliant at executing that style but if it didn't work then he was buggered. Boxers like Lennox and Holyfield could change tactics during a bout to over come the problems their opponents presented them. Tyson had no versatility and it caught up with him against the better fighters he fought.

 

He was lucky he came around during the 's when the heavyweight division was in an abysmal state. And as for him being not as good after coming out of prison, I don't believe that at all. Look at how he demolished Bruno in their rematch, he performed as good as he had ever done in that bout. When Bruno was asked whether Tyson was as good as he was the first time he fought him, Bruno even said he was "about the same".

[stainlee 27]

I think it,s a misconception that Tyson was a devastating puncher , most of his kO,s pre Don king ,were the result of combinations culminating in the finishing shot ,when he lost Kevin Rooney as a trainer ,and therefore hs last contact with Cus,s training method it was the start of a downward spiral ,he started looking for the single big shot at the expence of the tried and tested method that had woed for him previously. Losing to Buster Douglas lost him his air of invincability, opponents no longer froze with fear TYson was a hard hitter , but not a one shot man against quality opposition . THe combination of poor training/tactics and loss of the fear factor made Tyson an ordinary fighter and I don,t think his mentality could cope with this.

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

I think it,s a misconception that Tyson was a devastating puncher , most of his kO,s pre Don king ,were the result of combinations culminating in the finishing shot ,when he lost Kevin Rooney as a trainer ,and therefore hs last contact with Cus,s training method it was the start of a downward spiral ,he started looking for the single big shot at the expence of the tried and tested method that had woed for him previously. Losing to Buster Douglas lost him his air of invincability, opponents no longer froze with fear TYson was a hard hitter , but not a one shot man against quality opposition . THe combination of poor training/tactics and loss of the fear factor made Tyson an ordinary fighter and I don,t think his mentality could cope with this.

 

Tyson was a big puncher, and he used to put devastating combination's together, but the better fighters didn't hang around for him to get those combo's off. Tyson would revert to throwing single shots when his normal bullying style didn't work, and as he knew no other style of fighting he couldn't adjust.

 

He was 1 dimensional in that respect.

[stainlee 27]

I think it,s a misconception that Tyson was a devastating puncher , most of his kO,s pre Don king ,were the result of combinations culminating in the finishing shot ,when he lost Kevin Rooney as a trainer ,and therefore hs last contact with Cus,s training method it was the start of a downward spiral ,he started looking for the single big shot at the expence of the tried and tested method that had woed for him previously. Losing to Buster Douglas lost him his air of invincability, opponents no longer froze with fear TYson was a hard hitter , but not a one shot man against quality opposition . THe combination of poor training/tactics and loss of the fear factor made Tyson an ordinary fighter and I don,t think his mentality could cope with this.

 

Tyson was a big puncher, and he used to put devastating combination's together, but the better fighters didn't hang around for him to get those combo's off. Tyson would revert to throwing single shots when his normal bullying style didn't work, and as he knew no other style of fighting he couldn't adjust.

 

He was 1 dimensional in that respect.

[stainlee 27]

Exactly

[SLiP tHe DoG ! 129]

great fighter and seems quite [bANNED TEXT] ...but hes a wife beater , who makes shittty excuses for every mistake in life hes done instead of just having some balls and admitting hes a bit of a bully and a beast

[MoChara 1,632]

When someone mentions the name Mike Tyson, first thing that comes into MY head is "great boxer", so in my own opinion i think its the sport he done thats the main thing.. not what he done outside the ring. But thats my OWN opinion, many may disagree . Nicole.

[fireman 10,917]

Care about tyson as much as a blackwater dog ,but it was funny watching lewis cut him up and then when tyson was ugly enough put him down and out.Bullying nonce imo, though he was ment to have had some good pigeons by all accounts.

I did meet him once,he asked me directions and i said"well monkey head,you go down to the banana tree then you cross over to the gorrila and once there you put that pineapple up your blackcurrant ring" when i came round in hospital i thought to myself thats the last time i'm eating rowntree randoms .

[jo54 255]

Care about tyson as much as a blackwater dog ,but it was funny watching lewis cut him up and then when tyson was ugly enough put him down and out.Bullying nonce imo, though he was ment to have had some good pigeons by all accounts.

I did meet him once,he asked me directions and i said"well monkey head,you go down to the banana tree then you cross over to the gorrila and once there you put that pineapple up your blackcurrant ring" when i came round in hospital i thought to myself thats the last time i'm eating rowntree randoms .

sexcase sexcase hang him hang him hang him

[Waz 4,262]

Care about tyson as much as a blackwater dog ,but it was funny watching lewis cut him up and then when tyson was ugly enough put him down and out.Bullying nonce imo, though he was ment to have had some good pigeons by all accounts.

I did meet him once,he asked me directions and i said"well monkey head,you go down to the banana tree then you cross over to the gorrila and once there you put that pineapple up your blackcurrant ring" when i came round in hospital i thought to myself thats the last time i'm eating rowntree randoms .

sexcase sexcase hang him hang him hang him

 

Remember that film well....."whos got me trainers?"

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

You have my attention..... Right, you seem to know what your talking about whereas I just loved the guy for his exciting style etc. Can you tell me why you dont think he is as good as we think? Don't you think the parties etc before the Buster fight made him lose focus? I know you said Buster had problems too but he didn't think he was untouchable like tyson did. Look at Rooney at his ability on the field cos of off field activity. Never seen a guy lose confidence so much. Anyhow, I'd like to know from a guy who could see past the razzamatazz(cant be right!!) what he saw wrong in tyson in a ring.

 

 

It would be easy to say i knew he wasnt as good as people thought,but to be honest i thought he was like a breath of fresh air at a time when the division was possibly the weakest it had ever been with the swapping of the title every other fight between the fatties witherspoon/tubbs/thomas etc.....I thought he had great raw talent and an exciting style.....but his strength was actually his weakness......he was brought on by Cus d,amato with the famous " peek a boo " style which d,amato had taken Floyd Patterson to a world title with also...this style worked well for Tyson against limited fighters due to his short arms and great explosiveness....he just overwhelmed opponents,BUT smarter more confident and well rounded fighters knew if they kept him at the end of a long jab he had no real skills to get inside and do damage which would lead to Tyson getting frustrated as he had no other style to adapt to....he had 1 gameplan and if that didnt work he would get frustrated.Like many others i saw this around the time of the Bonecrusher Smith fight and i felt he would lose to the first semi decent fighter he fought,who turned out to be Buster Douglas,incidentally Douglas mother and aunt had both suddenly died in the run up to the Tyson fight so it could be said he had a lot more mental problems than Tyson did !

 

As for outside the ring problems.....part of being a good athlete in any sport is mental ability.....plenty of people can get their body in shape and do what comes natural physically,but to come to a physical AND mental peak at the same time is not always an easy thing....when Tyson was with Rooney/Atlas/Jacobs they kept him humble and on the level because they understood the mental part to the game....when Tyson went with Don King and his hangers on he adapted to the ghetto bad boy thing and lost all his morals.Its easy to say its not his fault he was misguided and badly managed but he,s an adult human being and can make decisions,he made a decision to be a bad boy ghetto gangster instead of a dedicated athlete thats nobodies fault but his own.

 

Personally i believe Tyson is an interesting character even if an unsavioury one....did he rape the girl ? who knows none of us were there,did he have a habit of taking to desperate measures when he couldnt get his own way,yes as was proven in his boxing career like biting off an opponenets ear because he cant cope with him in a boxing match !...but 2 add 2 doesnt always make 4 so who knows.

[lord of the fens 23]

 

You have my attention..... Right, you seem to know what your talking about whereas I just loved the guy for his exciting style etc. Can you tell me why you dont think he is as good as we think? Don't you think the parties etc before the Buster fight made him lose focus? I know you said Buster had problems too but he didn't think he was untouchable like tyson did. Look at Rooney at his ability on the field cos of off field activity. Never seen a guy lose confidence so much. Anyhow, I'd like to know from a guy who could see past the razzamatazz(cant be right!!) what he saw wrong in tyson in a ring.

 

 

It would be easy to say i knew he wasnt as good as people thought,but to be honest i thought he was like a breath of fresh air at a time when the division was possibly the weakest it had ever been with the swapping of the title every other fight between the fatties witherspoon/tubbs/thomas etc.....I thought he had great raw talent and an exciting style.....but his strength was actually his weakness......he was brought on by Cus d,amato with the famous " peek a boo " style which d,amato had taken Floyd Patterson to a world title with also...this style worked well for Tyson against limited fighters due to his short arms and great explosiveness....he just overwhelmed opponents,BUT smarter more confident and well rounded fighters knew if they kept him at the end of a long jab he had no real skills to get inside and do damage which would lead to Tyson getting frustrated as he had no other style to adapt to....he had 1 gameplan and if that didnt work he would get frustrated.Like many others i saw this around the time of the Bonecrusher Smith fight and i felt he would lose to the first semi decent fighter he fought,who turned out to be Buster Douglas,incidentally Douglas mother and aunt had both suddenly died in the run up to the Tyson fight so it could be said he had a lot more mental problems than Tyson did !

 

As for outside the ring problems.....part of being a good athlete in any sport is mental ability.....plenty of people can get their body in shape and do what comes natural physically,but to come to a physical AND mental peak at the same time is not always an easy thing....when Tyson was with Rooney/Atlas/Jacobs they kept him humble and on the level because they understood the mental part to the game....when Tyson went with Don King and his hangers on he adapted to the ghetto bad boy thing and lost all his morals.Its easy to say its not his fault he was misguided and badly managed but he,s an adult human being and can make decisions,he made a decision to be a bad boy ghetto gangster instead of a dedicated athlete thats nobodies fault but his own.

 

Personally i believe Tyson is an interesting character even if an unsavioury one....did he rape the girl ? who knows none of us were there,did he have a habit of taking to desperate measures when he couldnt get his own way,yes as was proven in his boxing career like biting off an opponenets ear because he cant cope with him in a boxing match !...but 2 add 2 doesnt always make 4 so who knows.

 

Now thats what I call a well thought out and written reply. Thanks mate, you have me converted and when you put it like that, I believe you.

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

 

It would be easy to say i knew he wasnt as good as people thought,but to be honest i thought he was like a breath of fresh air at a time when the division was possibly the weakest it had ever been with the swapping of the title every other fight between the fatties witherspoon/tubbs/thomas etc.....I thought he had great raw talent and an exciting style.....but his strength was actually his weakness......he was brought on by Cus d,amato with the famous " peek a boo " style which d,amato had taken Floyd Patterson to a world title with also...this style worked well for Tyson against limited fighters due to his short arms and great explosiveness....he just overwhelmed opponents,BUT smarter more confident and well rounded fighters knew if they kept him at the end of a long jab he had no real skills to get inside and do damage which would lead to Tyson getting frustrated as he had no other style to adapt to....he had 1 gameplan and if that didnt work he would get frustrated.Like many others i saw this around the time of the Bonecrusher Smith fight and i felt he would lose to the first semi decent fighter he fought,who turned out to be Buster Douglas,incidentally Douglas mother and aunt had both suddenly died in the run up to the Tyson fight so it could be said he had a lot more mental problems than Tyson did !

 

As for outside the ring problems.....part of being a good athlete in any sport is mental ability.....plenty of people can get their body in shape and do what comes natural physically,but to come to a physical AND mental peak at the same time is not always an easy thing....when Tyson was with Rooney/Atlas/Jacobs they kept him humble and on the level because they understood the mental part to the game....when Tyson went with Don King and his hangers on he adapted to the ghetto bad boy thing and lost all his morals.Its easy to say its not his fault he was misguided and badly managed but he,s an adult human being and can make decisions,he made a decision to be a bad boy ghetto gangster instead of a dedicated athlete thats nobodies fault but his own.

 

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I agree 100%, and pretty much share exactly the same opinion.

 

Spot on mate

[johnny boy68 11,726]

Spot on with that reply gnash