are you a purist

[morton 5,368]

Once tried matin the best Airedale to best Yorkshire terrier but the Airedale run off with it stuck to his cock.never did find out about that litter.is that the type of stuff your on about.

Depends,if you find them[how hard are you looking]if i could have pick of litter and how much will you be asking,they will be well in demand but i wont pay over the odds.

[Moorsman 17]

Not lookin so much as the yorkie was to hard lost most of her teeth on mice

[morton 5,368]

Not lookin so much as the yorkie was to hard lost most of her teeth on mice

Mice are tough little f""""rs,my lakey was mustard on house mice,lethal on field mice but cocked on harvest mice.I had to shovel it.

[Hagen 11]

lets say if you had a bitch out realy good lines and she fails.Would you use a realy good working dog over and see what you get ?

No mate ,i would dig a hole and start again .

Its the same with all genes 2 litter brothers one works good he has the genes, if the other doesnt work good he doesnt carry the genes same with bitches if not passed directly they wont filter through

a dog/bitch could be a jacker/cur but can reproduce the best game dogs ever..they either have a great reproducing gene or not..how many times have great digging dogs throw pure dirt in their offspring.. some of the best blood lines in the apbt world have been based on curs i.e bullyson

 

Satin Lady has threw Alligator, and she was cold.

There could be a big difference between working and producing.

The gene pool is too complex to say only best to best is the way of success.

There are more factors where we have to take a look.

[moddey-dhoo 39]

lets say if you had a bitch out realy good lines and she fails.Would you use a realy good working dog over and see what you get ?

No mate ,i would dig a hole and start again .

Its the same with all genes 2 litter brothers one works good he has the genes, if the other doesnt work good he doesnt carry the genes same with bitches if not passed directly they wont filter through

a dog/bitch could be a jacker/cur but can reproduce the best game dogs ever..they either have a great reproducing gene or not..how many times have great digging dogs throw pure dirt in their offspring.. some of the best blood lines in the apbt world have been based on curs i.e bullyson

 

Satin Lady has threw Alligator, and she was cold.

There could be a big difference between working and producing.

The gene pool is too complex to say only best to best is the way of success.

There are more factors where we have to take a look.

 

working terriers are not pit dogs , why the hell you bulldog fans can't leave working terriers alone i don't know , paper chasers the lot of you

[stormyboy 1,352]

The same genetic principles apply to all breeds/types.

[moddey-dhoo 39]

The same genetic principles apply to all breeds/types.

 

 

Are you trying to tell me that the best working terriers can be breed from cold or failed terriers?

[Hagen 11]

working terriers are not pit dogs , why the hell you bulldog fans can't leave working terriers alone i don't know , paper chasers the lot of you

 

Why is Bulldog blood in many working Terriers?

[moddey-dhoo 39]

working terriers are not pit dogs , why the hell you bulldog fans can't leave working terriers alone i don't know , paper chasers the lot of you

 

Why is Bulldog blood in many working Terriers?

 

there has always been some out-crossing and to small bull terrier types but a earthdog is not a pit-dog, i received a pm telling me you have just bred a litter of puppies out of two untested puppies and you have only had terriers 18 months tops, is this true ?

Edited September 28, 2010 by moddey-dhoo

[Hagen 11]

The same genetic principles apply to all breeds/types.

 

 

Are you trying to tell me that the best working terriers can be breed from cold or failed terriers?

 

Gameness is to bring the game to the end, ...no matter what happens.

But the dog must have the decision to start the game.

A cold dog never starts, so you will never know if it is game or not.

A cold dog could produce a very high percentage of deep game dogs, if it is from a line of deep game dogs.

That is only one of many finer points where you have to take care in breeding.

[Hagen 11]

working terriers are not pit dogs , why the hell you bulldog fans can't leave working terriers alone i don't know , paper chasers the lot of you

 

Why is Bulldog blood in many working Terriers?

 

there has always been some out-crossing and to small bull terrier types but a earthdog is not a pit-dog, i received a pm telling me you have just bred a litter of puppies out of two untested puppies and you have only had terriers 18 months tops, is this true ?

 

Yes it's true. I don't sale them. They are for me and some friends.

If I loose the male in this season, I have a part of him save.

The breeding where he came from is not repeatable.

...Some more questions?

[tinytiger 830]

lets say if you had a bitch out realy good lines and she fails.Would you use a realy good working dog over and see what you get ?

No mate ,i would dig a hole and start again .

Its the same with all genes 2 litter brothers one works good he has the genes, if the other doesnt work good he doesnt carry the genes same with bitches if not passed directly they wont filter through

a dog/bitch could be a jacker/cur but can reproduce the best game dogs ever..they either have a great reproducing gene or not..how many times have great digging dogs throw pure dirt in their offspring.. some of the best blood lines in the apbt world have been based on curs i.e bullyson

 

Satin Lady has threw Alligator, and she was cold.

There could be a big difference between working and producing.

The gene pool is too complex to say only best to best is the way of success.

There are more factors where we have to take a look.

 

A desire to kill members of their own species isnt the same as drive underground,ive seen terriers that were very dog aggressive but useless below ground and dogs that were pure faggots around other dogs but had a personality change when they went to ground.

[Hagen 11]

A desire to kill members of their own species isnt the same as drive underground,ive seen terriers that were very dog aggressive but useless below ground and dogs that were pure faggots around other dogs but had a personality change when they went to ground.

 

Do you think a match dog must be dog aggressive?

I have seen more dog aggressive Deutsche Jagd Terrier, than dog aggressive APBT Champions.

I have seen a Pit Winner with B.I.S. title, who walks without a leash on the yard of his owner when he feeds the other dogs.

Gameness has nothing to do with aggressiveness. No matter if we are talking about Bulldogs or working Terriers.

[BredtoHunt 8]

how many of you would go outside your chosen type of terrier when breeding a litter. years ago most terriers where crossbreds. but now most folk seem to stick to a certain breed or type. it used to be best to best now it seems its best patt to best patt. best russell to best russell and so on. is this pureist attitude good or bad for the working terrier in general or not so good. i'd be interested in your thoughts on this. if you have any

 

cleanspade

 

Good questions Cleanspade.

Those that would go outside are more than likely the purists "Working Terrier Purists". Asked a mate what did he think made the best working terrier, his answer "Border X Lakeland". I tend to concur that first cross makes for some real good working terriers as long as they are out of type purisits that have bred best worker to best worker.

 

In other words it is all good as long as the folks arranging the breeding have thier heads in the right place. Best worker to best worker reguardless of if you are a type purist or a working terrier purist will never be bad thing for working terriers.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

how many of you would go outside your chosen type of terrier when breeding a litter. years ago most terriers where crossbreds. but now most folk seem to stick to a certain breed or type. it used to be best to best now it seems its best patt to best patt. best russell to best russell and so on. is this pureist attitude good or bad for the working terrier in general or not so good. i'd be interested in your thoughts on this. if you have any

 

cleanspade

 

Good questions Cleanspade.

Those that would go outside are more than likely the purists "Working Terrier Purists". Asked a mate what did he think made the best working terrier, his answer "Border X Lakeland". I tend to concur that first cross makes for some real good working terriers as long as they are out of type purisits that have bred best worker to best worker.

 

In other words it is all good as long as the folks arranging the breeding have thier heads in the right place. Best worker to best worker reguardless of if you are a type purist or a working terrier purist will never be bad thing for working terriers.

Sorry mate but you are IMO way off the mark .If the two parents are that good then put them to another of the same breed .Too many people breeding for the sake of it and not for the right reason which is to provide future workers ,nothing else .Ive seen plenty of the sort you speak about but not many go on to reproduce anything decent .Maybe fixing something with a brother ,sister mating may work but times too precious for maybe's.The breeds were created by men who knew the game and knew what they wanted and to most of us that holds true today ,why f**k up years of creation by bastardising a breed that contains the right genes for the job .Better to not breed than to rely on hybrid vigour .