aussy pigg

[turnerboi 27]

why put bull into a terrier thats not able to work a fox decently put lead in it not f*****g bull blood thats the reason the terriers uknow of are in the state they are today people cant realise a shit terrier so they breed off it to a bull to up the drive [bANNED TEXT] all they do is up the useless ness of the dog and end up with more shit

 

i and many people on here could show u yards of dogs all working fox execeptionly well with no bull in them just bred well and carfeully hours of mulling over pedigrees and bloodlines working ability pros cons then find a dog to produce a harder/softer smaller/bigger dog but also similary bred so to minimse risk of shite not finding a failed peice of aussie shit and breeding it to a bull to up the so called terrierness of it

 

cull hard breed right and your strain will be as worthy as the next

not breed to bulls and staffs and hope for the best

steel is forged ina fiery furnace not just slapped together

 

u cant make a race horse by crossing a shire with a greyhound which is what ur effectivley trying to do by putting bull into shite terriers

[kingkeeper21 2]

lmfao this is brill nowt like a slangin match lol stabs bang on matey

[Stabs 3]

As for show ring dogs, this country's hunting laws are so stringent that there are really not that many blokes using terriers anymore, compared to the old days. Therefore the available blood is more scarce than it was before the hunting laws. I can imagine that, in the good ole days, the working terrier was a force to be reckoned with, But now, a good one is rarer than rocking horse shit.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

 

 

 

I honestly think the reverse is true. Read back in the old FMWTC yearbooks and you'll see how many double, trebled, (and more) their dogs. Not to say some don't do that still (I know they do), but the single handed dog has come to the fore in more recent times. I honestly think some lads (and some are on here) have moved the tworking terrier along to places they've rarely been in the past....and I'm talking about digging dogs here. If I wanted a decent digging dog, I am lucky enough to know plenty of places to go knocking, so I'm not sure you're getting the big picture Aussie.

 

If I understand you correctly, if you can't find anything but second grade terriers, you propose to breed them to bulls? I wouldn't be breeding them full stop. I don't understand breeding from anything second grade. Apologies if I have misunderstood you.

 

 

I'm not doubting there are still good terriers available, let's get that straight. All I'm saying is that for blokes who don't have the contacts to get these good terriers there is only one option, that is to breed your own.

I'm saying that a second rate terrier, if that's all a bloke can find, can be improved by adding a first rate bull (there are still plenty of first rate bulls around). Then, the best dog or bitch from that litter can be mated back to its parent and the best pup from that litter can be mated to another unrelated terrier.

The offspring of that litter can be mated to a distant brother or sister or cousin and the game goes on. Mating only the best from each litter to the best from other, related litters and occasionally throwing in an outcross of good, proven ability, will eventually create a mongrel that can do the job.

 

I know they're not terriers, but in Australia a few blokes decided (in the eighties) to create a breed of super pigging dogs. They mixed EBT, saluki/grehound and pointers and a decade later the Bull Arab was unofficially recognised. Today the Bull Arab is by far the most popular pure bred working pigdog in Australia. I have owned 4 of them and all have been good grafters.

Other blokes think they can do better than the bull arab and are trying to mix other things in to improve an already great hunting dog. Some of these blokes fail and have created useless crap, others are on to promising looking dogs.

 

The thing is, there is no such thing as the perfect hunting dog, it is always a work in progress and should never be constrained to a ''pure bred'' type. The best dogs of today (for any quarry) can still be improved on, all it takes is vision, time and know how.

 

Sheesh, I'm public enemy number one on this forum, just for stating the obvious.

 

No-one thinks you're public enemy number one AussiePigger...just some of us have a different opinion to you.

 

I'm afraid that I can't agree with you in regards to breeding second rate terriers whatsoever.I also disagree with your comment that "there are still plenty of first rate bulls around" because I believe the vast majority aren't even looked at, let alone tested to see if they are first rate, second rate or downright rose food. There have been bulls that have been worked to ground, and I don't mean shown a block end once every Sunday. I mean stayed until dug to, but they have been extremely, extremely rare. They have a lot of attributes which effectively work against them in this particualr arena. There are good bulls out there, and they have been bred to terriers on occasion, so it's something that has been done, and will continue to be done no doubt (shit, I even owned one once), but do I think there's any need for it? probably not.

 

I don't count a dogs willingness to go to ground as any indicator of whether it's a good earth dog. I once junmped in a ring with a bloke but that doesn't make me a good boxer. If we are talking about digging dogs (and I am, so apologies if you aren't), then the holy grail; the terrier's raison d'etre is to stay until dug to. Going to ground is just the first step in that process. I've got two lurchers here that try and squeeze themselves to ground. It doesn't make them earthdogs. On the other hand I've had plenty of terriers that have gone to ground like rockets, only to walk off when they couldn't have things their own way. By the same token, that doesn't make them earthdogs either. They may be called terriers by Joe Public, and look like terriers and no doubt they would be placed in the terrier class at any show, but in my eyes, they ain't digging dogs and again, I assume that is what we are talking about.

 

I understand where you are coming from in regards to the Bull Arabs. There's about 6 different versions of those at present isn't there? The best pig hunting dogs I have had the pleasure to have hunted with have been from Ian Colley's yard, and Mr. Fjager off here. Ian's were down off Doug Mummery's gear originally I believe, which I think Ned Makim's gear goes back to aswell? Mr. Fjager's gear is home bred. I have limited experience with Bull Arabs but two of my direct neighbours run them, one being a professional box man. They are decent, but not a patch on the two gentleman's dogs I have mentioned above.

[hedz31 1,308]

As for show ring dogs, this country's hunting laws are so stringent that there are really not that many blokes using terriers anymore, compared to the old days. Therefore the available blood is more scarce than it was before the hunting laws. I can imagine that, in the good ole days, the working terrier was a force to be reckoned with, But now, a good one is rarer than rocking horse shit.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

 

 

 

I honestly think the reverse is true. Read back in the old FMWTC yearbooks and you'll see how many double, trebled, (and more) their dogs. Not to say some don't do that still (I know they do), but the single handed dog has come to the fore in more recent times. I honestly think some lads (and some are on here) have moved the tworking terrier along to places they've rarely been in the past....and I'm talking about digging dogs here. If I wanted a decent digging dog, I am lucky enough to know plenty of places to go knocking, so I'm not sure you're getting the big picture Aussie.

 

If I understand you correctly, if you can't find anything but second grade terriers, you propose to breed them to bulls? I wouldn't be breeding them full stop. I don't understand breeding from anything second grade. Apologies if I have misunderstood you.

 

 

I'm not doubting there are still good terriers available, let's get that straight. All I'm saying is that for blokes who don't have the contacts to get these good terriers there is only one option, that is to breed your own.

I'm saying that a second rate terrier, if that's all a bloke can find, can be improved by adding a first rate bull (there are still plenty of first rate bulls around). Then, the best dog or bitch from that litter can be mated back to its parent and the best pup from that litter can be mated to another unrelated terrier.

The offspring of that litter can be mated to a distant brother or sister or cousin and the game goes on. Mating only the best from each litter to the best from other, related litters and occasionally throwing in an outcross of good, proven ability, will eventually create a mongrel that can do the job.

 

I know they're not terriers, but in Australia a few blokes decided (in the eighties) to create a breed of super pigging dogs. They mixed EBT, saluki/grehound and pointers and a decade later the Bull Arab was unofficially recognised. Today the Bull Arab is by far the most popular pure bred working pigdog in Australia. I have owned 4 of them and all have been good grafters.

Other blokes think they can do better than the bull arab and are trying to mix other things in to improve an already great hunting dog. Some of these blokes fail and have created useless crap, others are on to promising looking dogs.

 

The thing is, there is no such thing as the perfect hunting dog, it is always a work in progress and should never be constrained to a ''pure bred'' type. The best dogs of today (for any quarry) can still be improved on, all it takes is vision, time and know how.

 

Sheesh, I'm public enemy number one on this forum, just for stating the obvious.

 

No-one thinks you're public enemy number one AussiePigger...just some of us have a different opinion to you.

 

I'm afraid that I can't agree with you in regards to breeding second rate terriers whatsoever.I also disagree with your comment that "there are still plenty of first rate bulls around" because I believe the vast majority aren't even looked at, let alone tested to see if they are first rate, second rate or downright rose food. There have been bulls that have been worked to ground, and I don't mean shown a block end once every Sunday. I mean stayed until dug to, but they have been extremely, extremely rare. They have a lot of attributes which effectively work against them in this particualr arena. There are good bulls out there, and they have been bred to terriers on occasion, so it's something that has been done, and will continue to be done no doubt (shit, I even owned one once), but do I think there's any need for it? probably not.

 

I don't count a dogs willingness to go to ground as any indicator of whether it's a good earth dog. I once junmped in a ring with a bloke but that doesn't make me a good boxer. If we are talking about digging dogs (and I am, so apologies if you aren't), then the holy grail; the terrier's raison d'etre is to stay until dug to. Going to ground is just the first step in that process. I've got two lurchers here that try and squeeze themselves to ground. It doesn't make them earthdogs. On the other hand I've had plenty of terriers that have gone to ground like rockets, only to walk off when they couldn't have things their own way. By the same token, that doesn't make them earthdogs either. They may be called terriers by Joe Public, and look like terriers and no doubt they would be placed in the terrier class at any show, but in my eyes, they ain't digging dogs and again, I assume that is what we are talking about.

 

I understand where you are coming from in regards to the Bull Arabs. There's about 6 different versions of those at present isn't there? The best pig hunting dogs I have had the pleasure to have hunted with have been from Ian Colley's yard, and Mr. Fjager off here. Ian's were down off Doug Mummery's gear originally I believe, which I think Ned Makim's gear goes back to aswell? Mr. Fjager's gear is home bred. I have limited experience with Bull Arabs but two of my direct neighbours run them, one being a professional box man. They are decent, but not a patch on the two gentleman's dogs I have mentioned above.

I dont think hes public enemy number one i just think hes a tit

[nuts 6]

has the strange man gone now is it safe to get my terriers out lol nuts

[mexlad 189]

madness

[jamie2004live 163]

i thought brian plummer was a prick and i think youre a prick ap, do you see the connection? stupid statement after another just keeps on coming, aussie terrierman show british lads how its done hmmmmm some how i REALLY doubt it

[hedz31 1,308]

yeah, come on you sluts, bring it on lol.

You know I own every one of you tryhards!!!!

 

f**k I love me, I'm a winner!!!!!!!

 

Who wants to kiss my anus first? Hedz???? I'd like your lips pursed around me shitter, I just ate one of yer great british curries.

 

;-)

Yeah you really got us there pig boy ive said it once ill say it again this lad is a card and a half lol what a tit

[hedz31 1,308]

i thought brian plummer was a prick and i think youre a prick ap, do you see the connection? stupid statement after another just keeps on coming, aussie terrierman show british lads how its done hmmmmm some how i REALLY doubt it

 

Obviously you're just another one of these cretinous morons who likes to jump on the bandwagon and read things into what I have written that just aren't there.

I HAVE NEVER ONCE tried to tell you pommy c**ts how to do things. If I were to tell you how to do something it'd be telling you how to read, how to stop whining like a bunch of Hannah Montana fans, how to grow some f*****g balls, how to open your eyes and stop clinging to yer old history as though the pommy empire is still a force to be reckoned with, how to accept that what you have as hunting dogs can be improved, how to embrace change....basically how to stop being a bunch of dummie spitting, whining, whinging ''oh poor me, I was criticised, bunch of saps.

Honestly, I have never come across such a mob of little bitches in my life.

You all seem to think you know everything there is to know about dogs. That's bullshit.

 

Yeah, some of you know terriers....big deal. Terriers are used for foxes and bushing. Therefore your hunting knowledge is very f*****g limited.

 

The lurcher boys are open to things, you terrier men are just close minded little cumstained knickerlickers.

 

Yeah, you 'erd, you dumb c**ts.

 

I reckon if I took you boys out for a hunt in Australia you'd be tongueing my ballsack and fighting each other to be my best mate. Me and my mates would show you what hunting with dogs is all about, then we'd take you our foxing for an after dinner mint.

 

Pathetic bunch of losers.

hahahahahahahahahaha i wanna be your best mate pigger TIT

[Bosun11 537]

Damn shame this thred is turning into a slanging match, as without the shite thrown, it could be quite interesting.

 

If nothing else, this site should be for both debate and education, first and formost and it's that that makes it interesting!

 

Post honestly, reply honestly and we all can learn sommat, no matter what the subject matter!!

[hedz31 1,308]

Damn shame this thred is turning into a slanging match, as without the shite thrown, it could be quite interesting.

 

If nothing else, this site should be for both debate and education, first and formost and it's that that makes it interesting!

 

Post honestly, reply honestly and we all can learn sommat, no matter what the subject matter!!

its not a debate he came on here telling everyone whats what then threw astrop when everybody said he was wrong hes a self confessed none digging bloke but still rants on yeah its a shame when a thread goes like this its the first time ive gone tit for tat on here And love you to pigger you TIT lol

[nuts 6]

has any body not realised he keeps useing our way of talking use your heads he has anti written al over him atb nuts

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

has any body not realised he keeps useing our way of talking use your heads he has anti written al over him atb nuts

 

Well I didn't want to say anything, but I think you're right