countrymans weekly ,same photos all time

[Simoman 110]

Personally I enjoyed the mag when it was shooting news, for the last 6/7/8/9 years it is far too cutesy pie, just look at the readers photos FFS. Not written for lurcher and terrier lads and very very repetative, the only articles I enjoy are Penny's, and again I think she is wasted writing for the paper, EDRD is miles ahead and always will be countrymans plays to the fluff brigade............

[skycat 6,173]

I don't agree with Whin about this. In the early days of the "Shooting News" there were far more articles for the dog and ferret crowd. "Pesters Pen", "Lloyd on lurchers" ,"The Warrener","Dargi" etc. and of course Brian Plummer had a few articles in there. Whether or not you agreed with peoples opinions it was always interesting to hear them. One of my favourites of all time was Phil Lloyds discussion with "PC Alec Brown" about travellers. Anyone remember that?

I don't buy it these days as there're only ever two or at most three articles I'd even read and Penny's are usually the only good ones.

I was being sarcastic about Penny taylor.

I want to read about hard run match dogs, grafting terreirs, and storys from fellas who lamp heaps of rabbits a good few nights a week. not someone who " Dont like to hear that" when a terreir and a fox are mixing it below. as i was told by a fella who went out with her once.

 

So you like to hear your dog getting smashed to bits do you? I don't need to come on like some big machiso hard dog man: after all I'm just a woman. LOL I don't have to big it up and be hard and act like I don't care about my dogs: but I have worked my dogs on all game for many years, and I'll carry on doing it because I love the work. Even though I don't like them getting smashed up I still admire their guts, determination etc etc, and I'll keep patching them up, treating them when injured, then take them out again. It's part of what all hunters do, and I know that injuries happen to both lurchers and terriers when they're working, maybe I'm just a bit more honest about what I feel: like I said, I've nothing to prove one way or another.

 

And yes, wouldn't it be great if I could write about things as they happen, exactly and true to life, but they wouldn't print those articles, still less publish photos of terriers on foxes: its even difficult to get them to put a photo in of a dead fox and a terrier in the same photo! Sadly, this is the world we live in nowadays: haven't you noticed that even Harcombe is careful about the sort of photos he puts in EDRD nowadays?

 

If I wrote about what I did with my dogs I wouldn't be sitting here now would I? I'd no doubt be in the same situation as some of the numpties who have bragged about what they do and have now had their computers and dogs taken away by the police.

 

When you write articles you don't expect everyone to like what you write, and the only way I can get away with writing about coursing or dogs actually killing foxes is to put it in under the heading of Memory Lane. Even then I have to be very careful about the exact words I use. But I'll carry on doing it a while yet because even though I have to be politically correct, at least the newbies, non hunters etc who buy the magazine, can get to read about how activities which are now banned: for example: how a good foxing lurcher is capable of killing a fox in seconds, as opposed to the possibly lengthy death from a bad gun shot wound. Not that I have anything against shooters, just the ones which wound a fox and don't care about how long it takes to die of gangrene or starvation because its bottom jaw has been blown away.

 

You can't please everyone all of the time, but if you want to read articles like you said, then why not write them yourself? Send them into EDRD. And I'd write for EDRD but it would seem that they think I'm obviously a 'theorist' I doubt they'd believe what I do with my dogs anyway LOL LOL And yes, I do buy EDRD, think its a great magazine.

 

I do disagree with Harcombe on one thing though: he reckons his readers wouldn't want to read about dog care, but the number of posts on sites like this seems to tell a different story. From what I see on here theres scores of people asking for help and advice on injuries all the time. Just a thought.

[salukiman 28]

I don't agree with Whin about this. In the early days of the "Shooting News" there were far more articles for the dog and ferret crowd. "Pesters Pen", "Lloyd on lurchers" ,"The Warrener","Dargi" etc. and of course Brian Plummer had a few articles in there. Whether or not you agreed with peoples opinions it was always interesting to hear them. One of my favourites of all time was Phil Lloyds discussion with "PC Alec Brown" about travellers. Anyone remember that?

I don't buy it these days as there're only ever two or at most three articles I'd even read and Penny's are usually the only good ones.

I was being sarcastic about Penny taylor.

I want to read about hard run match dogs, grafting terreirs, and storys from fellas who lamp heaps of rabbits a good few nights a week. not someone who " Dont like to hear that" when a terreir and a fox are mixing it below. as i was told by a fella who went out with her once.

 

i have been out with penny before and plan to a few times this year, she has been a sound reference to go to on all matters conserning dogs. you have to realise that the law has changed and if you like it or not writers of all -publications have to show due dillagence as they are in the public eye and therefore unintentional spokes persons for our sport

 

dont get me wrong you are intiteld to your opinion and i quote " i was told by a fella who went out with her once " so second hand information that has been formed over 1 experience has led to an informed conclusion , bollox,

 

i would like to read about what you would so put pen to paper and lets hear it the service provided is done on thier own time and avalible for all to try if you have the bottle

 

its people like this that have given me the sopport to go hunting helped me with injurys and trainming so if they didnt stick there neck on the line lotts of people wouldnt join our great passion and all countryways would inevetably die out and the next generetion wouldnt come through and the antis would win

[artic 595]

I don't agree with Whin about this. In the early days of the "Shooting News" there were far more articles for the dog and ferret crowd. "Pesters Pen", "Lloyd on lurchers" ,"The Warrener","Dargi" etc. and of course Brian Plummer had a few articles in there. Whether or not you agreed with peoples opinions it was always interesting to hear them. One of my favourites of all time was Phil Lloyds discussion with "PC Alec Brown" about travellers. Anyone remember that?

I don't buy it these days as there're only ever two or at most three articles I'd even read and Penny's are usually the only good ones.

I was being sarcastic about Penny taylor.

I want to read about hard run match dogs, grafting terreirs, and storys from fellas who lamp heaps of rabbits a good few nights a week. not someone who " Dont like to hear that" when a terreir and a fox are mixing it below. as i was told by a fella who went out with her once.

 

So you like to hear your dog getting smashed to bits do you? I don't need to come on like some big machiso hard dog man: after all I'm just a woman. LOL I don't have to big it up and be hard and act like I don't care about my dogs: but I have worked my dogs on all game for many years, and I'll carry on doing it because I love the work. Even though I don't like them getting smashed up I still admire their guts, determination etc etc, and I'll keep patching them up, treating them when injured, then take them out again. It's part of what all hunters do, and I know that injuries happen to both lurchers and terriers when they're working, maybe I'm just a bit more honest about what I feel: like I said, I've nothing to prove one way or another.

 

And yes, wouldn't it be great if I could write about things as they happen, exactly and true to life, but they wouldn't print those articles, still less publish photos of terriers on foxes: its even difficult to get them to put a photo in of a dead fox and a terrier in the same photo! Sadly, this is the world we live in nowadays: haven't you noticed that even Harcombe is careful about the sort of photos he puts in EDRD nowadays?

 

If I wrote about what I did with my dogs I wouldn't be sitting here now would I? I'd no doubt be in the same situation as some of the numpties who have bragged about what they do and have now had their computers and dogs taken away by the police.

 

When you write articles you don't expect everyone to like what you write, and the only way I can get away with writing about coursing or dogs actually killing foxes is to put it in under the heading of Memory Lane. Even then I have to be very careful about the exact words I use. But I'll carry on doing it a while yet because even though I have to be politically correct, at least the newbies, non hunters etc who buy the magazine, can get to read about how activities which are now banned: for example: how a good foxing lurcher is capable of killing a fox in seconds, as opposed to the possibly lengthy death from a bad gun shot wound. Not that I have anything against shooters, just the ones which wound a fox and don't care about how long it takes to die of gangrene or starvation because its bottom jaw has been blown away.

 

You can't please everyone all of the time, but if you want to read articles like you said, then why not write them yourself? Send them into EDRD. And I'd write for EDRD but it would seem that they think I'm obviously a 'theorist' I doubt they'd believe what I do with my dogs anyway LOL LOL And yes, I do buy EDRD, think its a great magazine.

 

I do disagree with Harcombe on one thing though: he reckons his readers wouldn't want to read about dog care, but the number of posts on sites like this seems to tell a different story. From what I see on here theres scores of people asking for help and advice on injuries all the time. Just a thought.

 

The stories get edited and summarized to become very PC. It's not easy to get your true account of events across. It's very frustrating.

 

Well said Skycat.

 

[Simoman 110]

I don't agree with Whin about this. In the early days of the "Shooting News" there were far more articles for the dog and ferret crowd. "Pesters Pen", "Lloyd on lurchers" ,"The Warrener","Dargi" etc. and of course Brian Plummer had a few articles in there. Whether or not you agreed with peoples opinions it was always interesting to hear them. One of my favourites of all time was Phil Lloyds discussion with "PC Alec Brown" about travellers. Anyone remember that?

I don't buy it these days as there're only ever two or at most three articles I'd even read and Penny's are usually the only good ones.

I was being sarcastic about Penny taylor.

I want to read about hard run match dogs, grafting terreirs, and storys from fellas who lamp heaps of rabbits a good few nights a week. not someone who " Dont like to hear that" when a terreir and a fox are mixing it below. as i was told by a fella who went out with her once.

 

Not that she needs me fighting her corner but one of my close friends dug/coursed and worked dogs on a regular basis some years ago with Penny and has nothing but praise for her and her dogs.......

[whippet 99 2,613]

excellent summary skycat , alot of air heads dont understand why you cant publish the gore and then try and say that your not standing up for the working dog world. the best thing is alot of people who slag it off probably never worked there dogs to the exstent and exsperience of some of the writers . keep up the good work

[baldockbanks courser 598]

I don't agree with Whin about this. In the early days of the "Shooting News" there were far more articles for the dog and ferret crowd. "Pesters Pen", "Lloyd on lurchers" ,"The Warrener","Dargi" etc. and of course Brian Plummer had a few articles in there. Whether or not you agreed with peoples opinions it was always interesting to hear them. One of my favourites of all time was Phil Lloyds discussion with "PC Alec Brown" about travellers. Anyone remember that?

I don't buy it these days as there're only ever two or at most three articles I'd even read and Penny's are usually the only good ones.

I was being sarcastic about Penny taylor.

I want to read about hard run match dogs, grafting terreirs, and storys from fellas who lamp heaps of rabbits a good few nights a week. not someone who " Dont like to hear that" when a terreir and a fox are mixing it below. as i was told by a fella who went out with her once.

hows it second hand bollox then? the womens come on here and admited she dont like it. its all part of the job surlie. just like if i had a dog struggling against a good hare. if they jib they jib. youv got to be a bit hard nosed to an exctent. thankfor your essays im of coursing i mean rabbiting in the open.

 

i have been out with penny before and plan to a few times this year, she has been a sound reference to go to on all matters conserning dogs. you have to realise that the law has changed and if you like it or not writers of all -publications have to show due dillagence as they are in the public eye and therefore unintentional spokes persons for our sport

 

dont get me wrong you are intiteld to your opinion and i quote " i was told by a fella who went out with her once " so second hand information that has been formed over 1 experience has led to an informed conclusion , bollox,

 

i would like to read about what you would so put pen to paper and lets hear it the service provided is done on thier own time and avalible for all to try if you have the bottle

 

its people like this that have given me the sopport to go hunting helped me with injurys and trainming so if they didnt stick there neck on the line lotts of people wouldnt join our great passion and all countryways would inevetably die out and the next generetion wouldnt come through and the antis would win

[matty73 4]

i didnt say anything about blood n gore and as far as im aware rabbiting with dogs is still legal isnt it so why would it be hard to show relevant pics to those articles ?pictures of the actual dog thats being talked about would be a start instead of pics of dogs that have prob been dead for years in all honesty ,and this isnt about one individual writer penny /skycat so dont take it personaly its about the paper in general theres more adverts than decent articles on running dogs and in my opinion edrd is more terriers and digging than running dogs i would love to see a paper or mag just for running dogs doubt it will ever happen though shame

[shotup 9]

m edwards who ever he was wrote about a 29lb dog fox and a 28lb vixen took in the same day with terriers..... i gave up buying it then as well as some one shooting phezzes in mid feb.shooting news was a far better rag.

[Born Hunter 17,775]

Very easy to nock someone when your behind a computer, screams of maturity and self confidence...

 

I cant speak for Penny's dogs working ability as I havent witnessed them grafting but I have met her in person for a very lengthy chat and advice and her knowledge, experience and helpfullness is second to non in my experience. Her reputation preceeds her and its clear to see why. Its very easy to spot a fecking clown in the hunting world and Penny most certainly isnt. I beleive its been said before by someone but ill say it now "there are messers in all walks of life, but working dogs seems to attract more than its fair share"

[skycat 6,173]

i didnt say anything about blood n gore and as far as im aware rabbiting with dogs is still legal isnt it so why would it be hard to show relevant pics to those articles ?pictures of the actual dog thats being talked about would be a start instead of pics of dogs that have prob been dead for years in all honesty ,and this isnt about one individual writer penny /skycat so dont take it personaly its about the paper in general theres more adverts than decent articles on running dogs and in my opinion edrd is more terriers and digging than running dogs i would love to see a paper or mag just for running dogs doubt it will ever happen though shame

 

Matty: I've only ever sent in photos of my own dogs with articles, terriers and lurchers (apart from if I'm talking about someone else's dog or breed of dog) The dogs I write about in the Memory Lane articles are also usually the right dogs for the article, even if the photo has been scanned into my computer from old photos. Not many of them I'll admit as I never had a camera in the old days and its almost impossible to take good pics if your'e actually handling a dog or ferret in the field, besides which it doesn't do a camera much good to be out in the pouring rain, muddy dykes or whatever.

 

However, a lot of writers don't send in photos with their articles so the editors have to put in photos from their library stock of photos, many of which are being taken all the time, as in this year, and sent in by field photographers who go out with ferreters etc. But they won't be pics of the actual dogs/ferrets/rabbits etc which are being written about in that article.

 

I for one wouldn't want a stranger coming out with us digging for example, and taking photographs: recipe for huge problems don't you think! So all you'll get from me is maybe a posed EOD shot if the article is about fox control.

 

Yes, I'd like to see more articles about running dogs in both mags, but both can only print what is sent in AND if it is of good enough quality. The CMW tell me they DO get articles sent in, but if they have to spend hours cutting/editing it to fit into the space available then it isn't worth their while. The grammar doesn't have to be 100% perfect, but it must at least be a decent readable account of a day's hunting or whatever.

 

I've already done it for one person and I'll gladly do it again: if someone wants to write an article please do, then send it to me and I'll tell you if its what the CMW will print. I'm not being up my own backside, its just that I've done this for a few years now and know what is acceptable or not to them. I also helped someone edit their first article so they knew what to do in the future, and they're now sending in their own articles from time to time and getting them published.

 

It would be great to have more hands on articles written by fellow hunters so give it a go!

 

Re the advertising: look at any over the counter magazine nowadays: advertising is what pays for the printing and is what allows them to put any articles in at all: just the way of the world these days. Look at TV: there's only the BBC which don't have adverts every 15 minutes or so, and that's cos of the TV licence fee.

 

There's no getting around adverts I'm afraid.

[Guest Leveller]

I do disagree with Harcombe on one thing though: he reckons his readers wouldn't want to read about dog care, but the number of posts on sites like this seems to tell a different story. From what I see on here theres scores of people asking for help and advice on injuries all the time. Just a thought.

 

As one of his readers I wish not to cause any offence but I wouldn't want to read about that "in the mag" like you say there's people on the sites asking for that kind of stuff then lets keep that here.

 

Personaly when I read my EDRD I want to read about experiences, days out and stories of historic men/hunts/dogs etc;.

[Rhodey 96]

I think the Baroness de whatever should give up sending recipes in now the couple of times just lately i've brought through boredom at work they are crap.

 

The one main thing I have with the magazine is there are no insturctional parts, just loads of stories told by folk. If people are just getting into the fieldsports where are the practical tips, how to set a snare, where to position different traps and the target species, how to start a running dog any training for fitness or how to run to the lamp. all bits a pieces like this.

 

Only a suggestion.

[Borat 8]

I last got the Country Mans Weekly around 8-9 years ago now I think.. I concur with what Skycat has mentioned, but I gave up buying it after the paper got less content and with some "dubious" articles like training a rabbiting terrier puppy by letting it run under your bed ? .. (Think it was by David Bezzant ? Sp ?)..

[skycat 6,173]

And that's another problem: I've done no end of training pup articles, how to introduce dogs to ferreting, lamping etc. I know that there are new people buying the mag now who weren't buying it a few years ago, but how long do you leave it before doing yet another training article? I can only imagine the slagging off I'd get if I kept repeating myself to that extent! There's only so many times you can tell people how to teach a pup to retrieve, sit, stay etc.

 

It would be better if someone actually sat down and wrote a good instructional book on how to train and enter a lurcher: any takers?

 

And as far as certain writers go, well, lets just say that if more experienced people with real experience wrote in then they wouldn't be scratching about putting in stuff from people who have obviously had very little experience, would they.