"Earth!" 503 Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 I pray every sat and wed still havent win the lottery. i have yet to touch you thy child Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Catcher 1 639 Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 I pray every sat and wed still havent win the lottery. i have yet to touch you thy child Havent been touched for ages:icon_redface: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lord of the fens 23 Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 I pray every sat and wed still havent win the lottery. i have yet to touch you thy child too much of that going on in religion as it is lol.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waz 4,262 Posted October 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 I pray every sat and wed still havent win the lottery. i have yet to touch you thy child Reckon this fella a catholic! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 So it's fine for vast amounts of the worlds population to be brainwashed into believing something that isn't based on fact because it makes them feel better? Madness! Define brainwashing here please. What isnt based on "fact?" Can YOU prove there isnt a god? Can I prove there is? Faith is something very personal. I would say that when a person says something exists and wants others to believe the same, then it is for them to have some evidence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Yep its a terrible thing that christianity, i mean the very idea, loving your fellow man, promoting compassion and tolerance, devotion to ones family, rediculous eh. Blind faith in science is surely just as misguided as blind faith in relegion ? That's a misconception, Christianity or any other religion does not give ANY human being the ability/power to love someone, to be devoted to your family, to be compassionate or to tolerate others! That's just HUMAN bloody nature pal!!!! Fair enough what it's preaching (Love thy Neighbour and such like) is a good thing, but humanity would have these qualities without religion. And blind faith in science you say BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! How can it be blind faith when science is the only thing that is providing us with facts/truth, and is honest enough to say it hasn't yet discovered the reason for everything, but is working towards it! Religion doesn't do any of that. But if blind faith is believing in what's true, then what else is there to say? So it's fine for vast amounts of the worlds population to be brainwashed into believing something that isn't based on fact because it makes them feel better? Madness! Define brainwashing here please. What isnt based on "fact?" Can YOU prove there isnt a god? Can I prove there is? Faith is something very personal. A brainwashed person is someone who believes in one thing, when there's FACTS to say otherwise. Anyone who believes in the stories the bible says over anything that Science has proven is brainwashed. Adam and Eve What a joke. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Bloody good post that, AFT Cheers, It's true though isn't it, all you've got to do is scratch the surface a bit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dosser 52 Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Yep its a terrible thing that christianity, i mean the very idea, loving your fellow man, promoting compassion and tolerance, devotion to ones family, rediculous eh. Blind faith in science is surely just as misguided as blind faith in relegion ? That's a misconception, Christianity or any other religion does not give ANY human being the ability/power to love someone, to be devoted to your family, to be compassionate or to tolerate others! That's just HUMAN bloody nature pal!!!! Fair enough what it's preaching (Love thy Neighbour and such like) is a good thing, but humanity would have these qualities without religion. And blind faith in science you say BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! How can it be blind faith when science is the only thing that is providing us with facts/truth, and is honest enough to say it hasn't yet discovered the reason for everything, but is working towards it! Religion doesn't do any of that. But if blind faith is believing in what's true, then what else is there to say? So it's fine for vast amounts of the worlds population to be brainwashed into believing something that isn't based on fact because it makes them feel better? Madness! Define brainwashing here please. What isnt based on "fact?" Can YOU prove there isnt a god? Can I prove there is? Faith is something very personal. A brainwashed person is someone who believes in one thing, when there's FACTS to say otherwise. Anyone who believes in the stories the bible says over anything that Science has proven is brainwashed. Adam and Eve What a joke. Human nature doesnt seem to be doing too well at the moment, look around you, everywhere we see moral decline, the family unit will soon be out numbered by single parent families, young girls drink themselves stupid etc etc you get the picture. Do you ever wonder who pays the scientists wages, perhaps there supieriors might benefit in some way from certain scientific conclusions, released as fact when the research could have been more thorough or was subjective ? As for the brainwashed, none are more so than us in the west, scratch the right surface my friend. you could begin by looking into these. Walter Lippman Carl Jung Edward Bernays Harold Laswell All experts in their field. What people dont realise is that without christianity ther can be no western civilisation, end of. By the way i have no faith myself, but like everyone else im trying to believe in something. only not what theyre selling today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lampinglurcher 36 Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Loose a child then ask if theirs a fekin god the answer is a definate NO . so the existence of god or 'a higher power than you or me' is dependant on your/my situation? dont think me insensitive if you have lost a child mate, ive lost loved ones aswell but to confine God's very existence by personal circumstance? not rational thinking. ATF I think you're missing the point of mateys argument - chritsianity does not ever claim to make you love someone or even suggest that those who arent christians cant love one another. i think he was trying to say that without something greater and more purposeful than evolution why the hell can we love? why do we? why would we die to save a friend? im not trying to argue against your belief in the THEORY of evolution because i dont have the answers. just like i suppose you've never actually SEEN any proof of evolution but have watched the tv, heard the news, maybe even read a few books? i dont doubt your convictions, id rather talk to someone like you who actually knows what they believe.. but have you ever seen first hand proof? is there anything more than similarities between us and apes? ATB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andyfr1968 772 Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 I envy people who have true faith, whatever brand of 'god' they chose to subscribe to. It must be so nice for them to wander through life and all of it's up's and downs 'knowing' that there's some great big all powerful dude watching over them and even when the sh1ts really hit the fan, it's all OK 'cos it was 'gods' will..... The thing that really gets me about religion is when you take ALL of the main ones, they all believe in basicaly the same set of rules, let's call them the ten comandments to keep it simple.... If we all followed those basic rules there'd be no war, murder, rape, kiddie fiddlers etc. The world would be a pretty cool place for us all to live in. As soon as we take organised religion on board, that's when all the good folks of the world start to fall out with each other, get good old 'god' involved and they all start knocking lumps out of anyone who does not subscribe to their way of thinking over the small print. Knobs... I'm not saying that I don't believe that there's a lot more to the universe than meets the eye, I don't know and I never will, at least not while I'm still alive, so I buggered if I'm going to waste any of my time worrying about something that NO ONE can prove one way or the other. Just my take on things.... Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Human nature doesnt seem to be doing too well at the moment, look around you, everywhere we see moral decline, the family unit will soon be out numbered by single parent families, young girls drink themselves stupid etc etc you get the picture. And that's because people don't go to Church anymore is it? LOL . That's one negative you've pointed out, compared to the countless positives humanity has strived towards and accomplished, especially in the western world. Do you ever wonder who pays the scientists wages, perhaps there supieriors might benefit in some way from certain scientific conclusions, released as fact when the research could have been more thorough or was subjective ? No I don't wonder, when something is fact, it's proven beyond doubt and the evidence is there for all to see. As for the brainwashed, none are more so than us in the west, scratch the right surface my friend. you could begin by looking into these. Walter Lippman Carl Jung Edward Bernays Harold Laswell All experts in their field. What people dont realise is that without christianity ther can be no western civilisation, end of. Without Christianity our civilisation likely wouldn't be the same as it is today, but we don't depend on religion in anyway any more. I do agree with and like some of the things that Christianity promotes, and as I said it had it's time and use but does that mean to say we have to keep believing in something that has never been proven to be real for thousands of years? It's time to move on, progress is what we should be concentrating on. Not hanging on to some hope that there is a god that will accept us into heaven when we die. By the way i have no faith myself, but like everyone else im trying to believe in something. only not what theyre selling today. Trying to believe in what? Why even try and believe in something? If you've got to try then you can't be too convinced yourself mate. I don't understand why people have this need for something else? As far as I'm concerned there's no god, religion is lies. We've all come from the earth, and we'll go back to the earth when it's our time and that's that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 ... ATF I think you're missing the point of mateys argument - chritsianity does not ever claim to make you love someone or even suggest that those who arent christians cant love one another. i think he was trying to say that without something greater and more purposeful than evolution why the hell can we love? why do we? why would we die to save a friend? I haven't got an exact answer as to why, but would it really take a god to bless us with these feelings to make sense of it? I don't think so. Why should it? Some animals also have similar emotions to what we have. im not trying to argue against your belief in the THEORY of evolution because i dont have the answers. just like i suppose you've never actually SEEN any proof of evolution but have watched the tv, heard the news, maybe even read a few books? i dont doubt your convictions, id rather talk to someone like you who actually knows what they believe.. but have you ever seen first hand proof? is there anything more than similarities between us and apes? ATB There's proof of evolution in all kinds of things, germs, animals, humans etc. DNA and genetic make up connect us to other species with in the Hominidae family. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bolio 51 Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Genes determine not only the shape of life forms but their behavior too. So any type of behavior that enhances the genes carriers chances of survival AND reproduction will be selected for. Therefore traits such as altruism (expressed as love?) toward close family members (who carry most of the same genes) has been written into our chemistry millions of years before we developed the introspective brain that allows us to have this discussion. Consider the absolute selflessness of the honey bee or termite. Which code of ethics determines their behavior? It's neither scripture nor secular legislation, but genetically coded reactions to pheromones and environmental conditions. We don't see the Queen bee riding into battle with sword aloft crying "kill for Jesus" ala Oliver Cromwell! As for "what's wrong with blind faith?" Try crossing the High street at rush hour with your eyes closed. All the scientific advances in medicine for instance, came about by rigorous experimentation and testing. The old "blind faith" method of the witch doctors, with their incantations and unhygienic potions didn't cut the mustard. We don't, when preparing for an appendectomy, call for the holy man with the bag of bones to rattle over us "just in case it's true". That type of logic demands a belief in all the several thousand gods in human history, "just in case" we miss the one that's true. And it's not the atheist who belittles victims of brainwashing....it's the brainwasher....aided and abetted to a degree by the acquiescence of those who refuse to apply critical thought to the bovine fertilizer that's being spoon fed to them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waz 4,262 Posted October 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Ive wondered if the emotion which has been labelled "LOVE" is the survival of the species instinct in the human race. If so it is in the fabric of our bodies & probably could never be explained. As Wilf said it is contrary to self-preservation, it is much more important than that ie: preservation of the species. Man the lifeboats.. Women and children first. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hunter1989 91 Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 yeah think i shot him last night while hunting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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