Respect for our quarry

[kenny14 656]

 

 

I didnt notice the Ewe until the 1st Fox was shot,on inspection it was still ALIVE, its rear had been chewed by the Fox, i had to shoot this with my 22lr, to put it out of its suffering, the 2nd Fox shot was 2 fields away lying resting, he had most likely had a feed from the alive ewe as well.

 

I do post pictures of Foxes i have shot, Not for any glory, but for other Fox Shooters to see whats, been happening on the nights i go out lamping,as far as respect for your quarry as your original post intended, I like most Fox Shooters take great care in using the correct rifle and tools available to do the job as humanly as possible, as for pictures of Foxes with eyes popping out and guts all over the place, you at even the tender age of 20 and new to holding FAC (3 years and dont say you have been shooting since you were 10, this cuts no ice) should know that if you use heavy calibre rifles on any quarry these wounds you mention will be evedenton most occations, thats fact, as you stated it seems to be aimed at Fox Shooters yet again,THATS BECAUSE WE USE CENTREFIRE RIFLES FOR SHOOTING FOXES, and this is what happens when we do.

 

For anyone else reading this topic please keep the pictures coming of the foxes you have shot, as i like to see what others have been doing up and down the country, we will always get folk complaining regarding pictures of dead foxes posted, because its human nature TO LOOK and see what the picture is.

 

Its like a sign saying dont touch WET PAINT and what do we do touch it to see if it is.

 

All the best guys Jimmy

 

I'm not sure what to make of this, I feel slightly offended at you poo pooing my experience, sure I may not have held a FAC as long as others, but does that devalue my knowlege and experience? also I am not sure what you mean by "it not cutting any ice", I merely included this information to "reassure" members who may not have seen me on the forum, that I was not anti shooting, and not a device to provoke. I find your post rather condecending.

the thread is not aimed purely at fox shooters look through Sporting Rifle magazine, and many of the big game photos in there will be not what I would take photos of, not without first cleaning the animal up some, it is just that that is the group from which these images most often come from, and yes I do know the effects of a fast frangible bullet on an animal will be, but what I am saying, and forgive me if you have not missed the point, is that I do not feel it is nessecary to post such images, if you know what a bullet does to an animal then surely you do not need a picture to remind you, most foxes look pretty much the same so nothing new there, apart from your post you made about the foxes feeding off of a live ewe, that, to my mind is worthy of posting and others to see what you saw and it is of interest, but to just post images of most foxes you shoot, I feel is unnessecary.

 

DB

Without getting in any slagging matches, I shoot foxes as a job and not just for pleasure, i am out 5 - 6 nights a week doing this, so in theory i will shoot more than most, the pictures i take , is for a reference for the poepeple that pay me to see that i am doing my job so that i get paid, no foxes shot no money at the end of the week, hence why i said i dont take pictures so i can big myself up on here,its for clients who pay for them to be shot and for my own personel records, granted i have posted a lot on here only to let other like minded fox shooters to see what i have been up to, i know its not to every ones liking, but at the end of the day its up to the idividual as to whether they look or not, i have been posting pictures on here for a while now, so most know what to expect, in my mind respect for your qurry is to make sure you get a clean kill 100% of the time, not to dress it up for the camera as if its lying there sleeping all nice and cuddly, when its dead its dead, i dont think the fox cares if it has a gaping hole in it, at least i know it did not suffer and it didnt even know what happened it did not even here the BANG from the rifle, every fox that i shoot is moved from where it was shot and placed out of sight of any passers by who might see it.

 

As for the 2 shot in the picture they are now being fed on by 2 Buzzards a great source of food for them, keeps them away from the pheasants and partridges also grouse if you are out on a sheep moor.

Well said murphymax.

Edited September 22, 2010 by kenny14

[dave1372 83]

Having read some of the posts what a load of rubbish some people speak in an effort to make themselves sound prim and proper !

 

In terms of respect.......if you mean do I go for a clean kill of course isn't that what we all do!

 

As far as posting graphic pictures this is a hunting forum and if the post is marked 'Explicit Photo' you have the choice to look or not. In general you are exposed to just as much or even more graphic imagery on TV all the time. It is a matter of personal preference if you wish to view these programmes and pictures. If other people want to do the'arty farty' photos then fair enough. To me a picture says a thousand words.

[Yokel Matt 918]

Ive got no problem with seeing pics of someone sausaging a fox - thats the reality of shooting with a centerfire and vermin ammunition... youre not after a trophy, youre trying to drop the fecker on the spot. As far as im concerned a lack of respect would boil down to:

 

Not following up a bad shot

 

Taking a shot outside your own capabilities

 

Disposing of the slain in an appropriate way is important and common sense. The pics thing is down to personal opinion no need to feel insulted or condescended, if anything implying that those who regularly post pics on of their outings with the occasional :sick: one don't respect thier quarry is insulting.

Edited September 22, 2010 by Local

[dave1372 83]

I've got no problem with seeing pics of someone sausaging a fox - thats the reality of shooting with a centerfire and vermin ammunition... you're not after a trophy, you're trying to drop the fecker on the spot. As far as i'm concerned a lack of respect would boil down to:

 

Not following up a bad shot

 

Taking a shot outside your own capabilities

 

Disposing of the slain in an appropriate way is important and common sense. The pic's thing is down to personal opinion – no need to feel insulted or condescended, if anything implying that those who regularly post pic's on of their outings with the occasional :sick: one is insulting.

 

Hit the nail on the head:thumbs:

[danebrewer10 6]

I’ve got no problem with seeing pics of someone sausaging a fox - thats the reality of shooting with a centerfire and vermin ammunition... you’re not after a trophy, you’re trying to drop the fecker on the spot. As far as i’m concerned a lack of respect would boil down to:

 

Not following up a bad shot

 

Taking a shot outside your own capabilities

 

Disposing of the slain in an appropriate way is important and common sense. The pic’s thing is down to personal opinion – no need to feel insulted or condescended, if anything implying that those who regularly post pic’s on of their outings with the occasional :sick: one don't respect thier quarry is insulting.

yaargh, hornets nests and sticks spring to mind here.

this was a thread designed to make prople think. also about how you go about shooting an animal and how you deal with it after the shot, not one designed to stir anything up. as local and others have said it's personal opinion. personally I don't feel the need for posting pics of blasted foxes, others do, that's fine, I was never offended at, nor do I feel the need to go and run to the bog afer seeing a shot fox photo, I'm not sugesting that people should stop using rifles for fox control or any of that. if anything, suggesting that the photos might be less graphic, as like I said eariler, we all know the effects of a V-MAX at 3000fps, perhaps I was indirectly asking why there is the need to post pictures of shot quarry unless there is a specific story or something unusual and if that is done, take the time to "prep" the animal for the photo, I really can't remember anymore....

It's difficult having a discussion such as this one over the course of several days, as the passion for what I wrote then has degraded somewhat, and I suppose my stance has softened over the course of this thread, but unless threads like this are written and encourage debate, then we don't get to know much about eachother on THL, apart from those members who know eachother in flesh and blood, plus It's difficult, even with emoticons to convey tone of voice which may cause posts to be interpreted incorrectly as I think I may have, I don't know.

 

but I do agree with you on the fact that people are out to do a job and not for a trophy, the post was a broad brush approach and so it may have been interpreted bifferently by different people.

 

and yes, If i were to go and buy a fox rifle it would probably be a .243, (with the object of using it on deer- else it would be something like a .22-250 or .223) yes, the rounds would make a mess of the fox, but I wouldn't feel the need to post every picture of every balistically eviscerated fox I shoot on a forum.

I'm sure some members will be keeping a keen eye on my future posts to see if I trip up, and I probably will........

 

 

"Disposing of the slain in an appropriate way is important and common sense. The pic's thing is down to personal opinion – no need to feel insulted or condescended, if anything implying that those who regularly post pic's on of their outings with the occasional :sick: one is insulting."

 

I'm not sure what I was implying, apart from that it is slightly disrespectful showing an animal is such a light, and so I don't see gow it might be insulting

 

the reason I felt the post by Murphymax was mocking in it's tone- "tender age of 20" as well as what apprered to me at least, to be dismissing my shooting experience as invalid in such a discussion. By comparison to a lot of shooters, yes I am new to holding a FAC, but how does that make my opinions and experiences invalid?

Edited September 22, 2010 by danebrewer10

[Rake aboot 4,935]

Aye

 

Up early Jimmy!!

 

Have to say I agree with what you have said. I can understand both points of view ,but after all this is a hunting forum. I dont usually take pics but still like to see other peoples results. Not all pics are very graphic.

I personally make sure that all carcasses are disposed off in areas away from view and where they will be scavanged easilly, and I don`t just "wing them". cant stand lack of respect for any animal.

 

One thing I am wary of though (without drifting too far off topic) is the pics and accounts of large numbers of foxes being shot by the same faces on a frequent basis. Now I`m not looking for a rise out of folk, but the hardcore sport of fox shooting is on the rise and I am sure that these "numbers boys" will do our sport more harm than good.

remember, a fox is not a pest unless it`s being a pest. Have a look in the share a hunt section (need more foxes)

 

Sorry to wander off there. Up to you if you want to cut this last paragraph oot before posting the link, let me know

 

ATB

If you feel the need to have a pop at what i do feel free, but from from an early age i've be brought up that the only good fox is a dead one i dont torture or wound i only depatch then as quick as possible to keep the shoots happy(need more foxes}

 

 

I still stand by what I said. And you have convinced me even more that I am correct by stating that you were brought up to believe every fox should die regardless.

I will not get into a personal debate here but you should look at your own statements and try to look at that from others point of view.

 

Question: How do you justify shooting a fox ?

 

Answer: I just want to kill them all because I think all foxes should die

 

Doesn`t sound too good does it? Can you not see why others would see this as wrong.

And I will re-iterate This is not shooting foxes cause they are a pest. You have stated that you want them ALL dead. Just because you say so.

 

ATB