Respect for our quarry

[Malt 379]

Good thread! Louis Therouix's programme about hunting in south Africa was on a Irish channel last night it looks like its basically shooting in a zoo, however once the animal had been shot it was quickly dressed for the photo (exit wound not facing camera, entry wound rubbed with dirt to cover blood etc), as the hunters said for them it was all about the photo to go with the trophy, remembering the moment as it was a once in a life time experience. It shows great respect for the beast to dress it for the photo.

I also agree with Maltenby as regards respect for the animal, however for me it carries over until i dispose of the carcass or eat it. Except rats i f**kin hate rats.

 

I should have added that I've never left a rabbit in the field.

[Leewx 2]

Good thread! Louis Therouix's programme about hunting in south Africa was on a Irish channel last night it looks like its basically shooting in a zoo, however once the animal had been shot it was quickly dressed for the photo (exit wound not facing camera, entry wound rubbed with dirt to cover blood etc), as the hunters said for them it was all about the photo to go with the trophy, remembering the moment as it was a once in a life time experience. It shows great respect for the beast to dress it for the photo.

I also agree with Maltenby as regards respect for the animal, however for me it carries over until i dispose of the carcass or eat it. Except rats i f**kin hate rats.

 

I should have added that I've never left a rabbit in the field.

[danebrewer10 6]

some really great comment going on here, cheers guys!, would any of you mind if I sent a link to the thread to Sporting shooter magazine, or would you prefer if I just sent my original post?

 

Cheers

DB

[Malt 379]

I don't mind.

[Colster 1]

would any of you mind if I sent a link to the thread to Sporting shooter magazine?

 

Cheers

DB

 

Fine by me

[pest hunter 151 15]

"Do you respect your quarry.."

 

Those words might mean different things to different people.

 

My take on it is that to respect your quarry you have to understand it. Amongst other things, I personally respect the fox for it's cunning, the rabbit for it's ability to survive as a population no matter how hard they're hit, & I even respect rats and magpies for their intelligence.

 

Above all you've got to understand why an animal is classed a pest and you've got to understand the need to control it.

 

The ultimate respect for an animal is to ensure that you kill it cleanly once you choose to end it's life. Once an animal is dead, it's just a piece of meat, & that's where the respect ends for me.

 

With regards to pictures. I'm not bothered by graphic pictures in the slightest, most of us have seen it all before in 'real life' with all the other sensations that go with it. I'm also not bothered by what non hunting/shooting people may make of them. I don't come on here to appease people who have no wish to even understand what we do or why we do it, I come on here to speak with like minded people and share experiences. A picture often helps to visualise a good write up, no matter how graphic it is. What we do isn't pretty all the time, and to carefully lay out a carcase for a trophy shot tries to make out otherwise.

 

There are plenty of pictures out there that our opponents can get hot under the collar about, so we shouldn't worry about what they may or may not see on here. As long as threads with explicit pictures are marked as such, I don't see an issue.

 

Mal.

I agree with that

[matt_hooks 188]

For me, the respect for the prey is really the whole reason why I hunt. The chance to be out in the great outdoors, learning about the quarry, learning it's habits, its likes and dislikes, and finally ending its life in the fastest, most humane manner possible. I don't in general photograph my quarry, unless there's a specific reason, for example it was an unusual hunt for some reason which I want to remember, or if it's an extra special animal. I'm not a great fan of the "blood and guts" type of photo, but each to their own.

 

But once the animal is dead, it's a very different matter. Whilst I will take every possible step to make sure I don't adversely impact on the sport, an animal once dead is just meat. The animal neither knows nor cares what happens once it's dead!

[RicW 67]

 

But once the animal is dead, it's a very different matter. Whilst I will take every possible step to make sure I don't adversely impact on the sport, an animal once dead is just meat. The animal neither knows nor cares what happens once it's dead!

 

Neither do humans.

[Malt 379]

But once the animal is dead, it's a very different matter. Whilst I will take every possible step to make sure I don't adversely impact on the sport, an animal once dead is just meat. The animal neither knows nor cares what happens once it's dead!

 

Neither do humans.

 

I think the respect for dead humans is more to do with that persons beliefs while alive, and for the family of the bereaved! I've never noticed a family of rabbits holding a candlelight vigil after I've removed great uncle Buggs from their family unit..

 

Next time the wife comes home from the butchers with a nice joint of beef, I'll be sure to give it a few days lying in state before I eat it..

[murphymax 9]

some really great comment going on here, cheers guys!, would any of you mind if I sent a link to the thread to Sporting shooter magazine, or would you prefer if I just sent my original post?

 

Cheers

DB

I dont mind if you want to send the whole debate to whoever

 

Make sure this picture is included....

 

I didnt notice the Ewe until the 1st Fox was shot,on inspection it was still ALIVE, its rear had been chewed by the Fox, i had to shoot this with my 22lr, to put it out of its suffering, the 2nd Fox shot was 2 fields away lying resting, he had most likely had a feed from the alive ewe as well.

 

I do post pictures of Foxes i have shot, Not for any glory, but for other Fox Shooters to see whats, been happening on the nights i go out lamping,as far as respect for your quarry as your original post intended, I like most Fox Shooters take great care in using the correct rifle and tools available to do the job as humanly as possible, as for pictures of Foxes with eyes popping out and guts all over the place, you at even the tender age of 20 and new to holding FAC (3 years and dont say you have been shooting since you were 10, this cuts no ice) should know that if you use heavy calibre rifles on any quarry these wounds you mention will be evedenton most occations, thats fact, as you stated it seems to be aimed at Fox Shooters yet again,THATS BECAUSE WE USE CENTREFIRE RIFLES FOR SHOOTING FOXES, and this is what happens when we do.

 

For anyone else reading this topic please keep the pictures coming of the foxes you have shot, as i like to see what others have been doing up and down the country, we will always get folk complaining regarding pictures of dead foxes posted, because its human nature TO LOOK and see what the picture is.

 

Its like a sign saying dont touch WET PAINT and what do we do touch it to see if it is.

 

All the best guys Jimmy

[Rake aboot 4,936]

Aye

 

Up early Jimmy!!

 

Have to say I agree with what you have said. I can understand both points of view ,but after all this is a hunting forum. I dont usually take pics but still like to see other peoples results. Not all pics are very graphic.

I personally make sure that all carcasses are disposed off in areas away from view and where they will be scavanged easilly, and I don`t just "wing them". cant stand lack of respect for any animal.

 

One thing I am wary of though (without drifting too far off topic) is the pics and accounts of large numbers of foxes being shot by the same faces on a frequent basis. Now I`m not looking for a rise out of folk, but the hardcore sport of fox shooting is on the rise and I am sure that these "numbers boys" will do our sport more harm than good.

remember, a fox is not a pest unless it`s being a pest. Have a look in the share a hunt section (need more foxes)

 

Sorry to wander off there. Up to you if you want to cut this last paragraph oot before posting the link, let me know

 

ATB

[dully1963 4]

I must confess that I come down on the side of Danebrewer regarding his thoughts on this subject. I can understand that a guy wants to put up a photo of his first fox - what I cant understand is why it is neccesary for certain members to take photos of every fox they shoot - to me they are either immature or just willey wavers begging for praise from them that appear to get a kick also out of seeing a dead fox with its guts blown out (usually a sign of a close shot, so no big deal) - why not (if they have to) flip the fox over so that the bullet entry side is shown? - we will all believe its still dead.

 

And before anyone accuses me also of being an 'anti' I am pretty well known to a few members on here as a fox shooter - so far this year my total is 82 but I dont start my shooting until mid June when I get my first call from one of the 3 commercial shoots in my area.

 

The only time I would take a photo of one of my shot foxes would be if it had two tails or 5 legs.

Well said {There,s a lot of double standards on here}

[danebrewer10 6]

 

 

I didnt notice the Ewe until the 1st Fox was shot,on inspection it was still ALIVE, its rear had been chewed by the Fox, i had to shoot this with my 22lr, to put it out of its suffering, the 2nd Fox shot was 2 fields away lying resting, he had most likely had a feed from the alive ewe as well.

 

I do post pictures of Foxes i have shot, Not for any glory, but for other Fox Shooters to see whats, been happening on the nights i go out lamping,as far as respect for your quarry as your original post intended, I like most Fox Shooters take great care in using the correct rifle and tools available to do the job as humanly as possible, as for pictures of Foxes with eyes popping out and guts all over the place, you at even the tender age of 20 and new to holding FAC (3 years and dont say you have been shooting since you were 10, this cuts no ice) should know that if you use heavy calibre rifles on any quarry these wounds you mention will be evedenton most occations, thats fact, as you stated it seems to be aimed at Fox Shooters yet again,THATS BECAUSE WE USE CENTREFIRE RIFLES FOR SHOOTING FOXES, and this is what happens when we do.

 

For anyone else reading this topic please keep the pictures coming of the foxes you have shot, as i like to see what others have been doing up and down the country, we will always get folk complaining regarding pictures of dead foxes posted, because its human nature TO LOOK and see what the picture is.

 

Its like a sign saying dont touch WET PAINT and what do we do touch it to see if it is.

 

All the best guys Jimmy

 

I'm not sure what to make of this, I feel slightly offended at you poo pooing my experience, sure I may not have held a FAC as long as others, but does that devalue my knowlege and experience? also I am not sure what you mean by "it not cutting any ice", I merely included this information to "reassure" members who may not have seen me on the forum, that I was not anti shooting, and not a device to provoke. I find your post rather condecending.

the thread is not aimed purely at fox shooters look through Sporting Rifle magazine, and many of the big game photos in there will be not what I would take photos of, not without first cleaning the animal up some, it is just that that is the group from which these images most often come from, and yes I do know the effects of a fast frangible bullet on an animal will be, but what I am saying, and forgive me if you have not missed the point, is that I do not feel it is nessecary to post such images, if you know what a bullet does to an animal then surely you do not need a picture to remind you, most foxes look pretty much the same so nothing new there, apart from your post you made about the foxes feeding off of a live ewe, that, to my mind is worthy of posting and others to see what you saw and it is of interest, but to just post images of most foxes you shoot, I feel is unnessecary.

 

DB

[dully1963 4]

Aye

 

Up early Jimmy!!

 

Have to say I agree with what you have said. I can understand both points of view ,but after all this is a hunting forum. I dont usually take pics but still like to see other peoples results. Not all pics are very graphic.

I personally make sure that all carcasses are disposed off in areas away from view and where they will be scavanged easilly, and I don`t just "wing them". cant stand lack of respect for any animal.

 

One thing I am wary of though (without drifting too far off topic) is the pics and accounts of large numbers of foxes being shot by the same faces on a frequent basis. Now I`m not looking for a rise out of folk, but the hardcore sport of fox shooting is on the rise and I am sure that these "numbers boys" will do our sport more harm than good.

remember, a fox is not a pest unless it`s being a pest. Have a look in the share a hunt section (need more foxes)

 

Sorry to wander off there. Up to you if you want to cut this last paragraph oot before posting the link, let me know

 

ATB

If you feel the need to have a pop at what i do feel free, but from from an early age i've be brought up that the only good fox is a dead one i dont torture or wound i only depatch then as quick as possible to keep the shoots happy(need more foxes}

Edited September 22, 2010 by dully1963

[murphymax 9]

 

 

I didnt notice the Ewe until the 1st Fox was shot,on inspection it was still ALIVE, its rear had been chewed by the Fox, i had to shoot this with my 22lr, to put it out of its suffering, the 2nd Fox shot was 2 fields away lying resting, he had most likely had a feed from the alive ewe as well.

 

I do post pictures of Foxes i have shot, Not for any glory, but for other Fox Shooters to see whats, been happening on the nights i go out lamping,as far as respect for your quarry as your original post intended, I like most Fox Shooters take great care in using the correct rifle and tools available to do the job as humanly as possible, as for pictures of Foxes with eyes popping out and guts all over the place, you at even the tender age of 20 and new to holding FAC (3 years and dont say you have been shooting since you were 10, this cuts no ice) should know that if you use heavy calibre rifles on any quarry these wounds you mention will be evedenton most occations, thats fact, as you stated it seems to be aimed at Fox Shooters yet again,THATS BECAUSE WE USE CENTREFIRE RIFLES FOR SHOOTING FOXES, and this is what happens when we do.

 

For anyone else reading this topic please keep the pictures coming of the foxes you have shot, as i like to see what others have been doing up and down the country, we will always get folk complaining regarding pictures of dead foxes posted, because its human nature TO LOOK and see what the picture is.

 

Its like a sign saying dont touch WET PAINT and what do we do touch it to see if it is.

 

All the best guys Jimmy

 

I'm not sure what to make of this, I feel slightly offended at you poo pooing my experience, sure I may not have held a FAC as long as others, but does that devalue my knowlege and experience? also I am not sure what you mean by "it not cutting any ice", I merely included this information to "reassure" members who may not have seen me on the forum, that I was not anti shooting, and not a device to provoke. I find your post rather condecending.

the thread is not aimed purely at fox shooters look through Sporting Rifle magazine, and many of the big game photos in there will be not what I would take photos of, not without first cleaning the animal up some, it is just that that is the group from which these images most often come from, and yes I do know the effects of a fast frangible bullet on an animal will be, but what I am saying, and forgive me if you have not missed the point, is that I do not feel it is nessecary to post such images, if you know what a bullet does to an animal then surely you do not need a picture to remind you, most foxes look pretty much the same so nothing new there, apart from your post you made about the foxes feeding off of a live ewe, that, to my mind is worthy of posting and others to see what you saw and it is of interest, but to just post images of most foxes you shoot, I feel is unnessecary.

 

DB

Without getting in any slagging matches, I shoot foxes as a job and not just for pleasure, i am out 5 - 6 nights a week doing this, so in theory i will shoot more than most, the pictures i take , is for a reference for the poepeple that pay me to see that i am doing my job so that i get paid, no foxes shot no money at the end of the week, hence why i said i dont take pictures so i can big myself up on here,its for clients who pay for them to be shot and for my own personel records, granted i have posted a lot on here only to let other like minded fox shooters to see what i have been up to, i know its not to every ones liking, but at the end of the day its up to the idividual as to whether they look or not, i have been posting pictures on here for a while now, so most know what to expect, in my mind respect for your qurry is to make sure you get a clean kill 100% of the time, not to dress it up for the camera as if its lying there sleeping all nice and cuddly, when its dead its dead, i dont think the fox cares if it has a gaping hole in it, at least i know it did not suffer and it didnt even know what happened it did not even here the BANG from the rifle, every fox that i shoot is moved from where it was shot and placed out of sight of any passers by who might see it.

 

As for the 2 shot in the picture they are now being fed on by 2 Buzzards a great source of food for them, keeps them away from the pheasants and partridges also grouse if you are out on a sheep moor.