I'm totally incensed.

[littlefish 574]

People need to stop breeding dogs.

[lanesra 3,994]

couldnt agree more with comments on this thread, thats why i find it strange when people jump on the bandwagon shoutin "puppy peddler" when a well known dog breeder gets mentioned , my opinion is if we ALL bred are own litter to get a pup when needed what would we do with the rest off the litter (please dont come on and say pick 1 and knock the others on the head) i wouldnt pick the "pick" off the litter till i had a few weeks watchin the character off the litter or a trusted friend who was breedin the litter picked the pup for me , so renowned breeders ( i know there are plenty out there who are bad breeders/keepers of dogs) but if certain people breed a line people are happy with and charges 300 a pup so what, lot of time and effort put in plus 300 for a loyal companion is a price worth payin in my opinion, so next time someone slates someone for breedin and sellin a couple of litters a yr dont jump on the bandwagon slatin them for the money, by all means if the buyer feels he has had a raw deal comment, but i feel good breeders who put out good lines should be applauded for there effort and good lines, and think off all the UNWANTED/UNLOVED pups that would be produced if we ALL bred a litter when a new addition to the kennel was needeed. hope this post comes across how its meant.

[shushycatcher 219]

:thumbs:i take it this thread is about the saluki grey pups that are being given away. What i dont get is why the pups wont sell,have they actually been advertised at all! If advertised properly these pups would sell. atb shushy

[Bosun11 537]

I think it's a head wrecker for any decent self respecting dogman and i'd agre with you all.

 

Bolio, that tales a sad one but your concence is clear, you know the score

 

It's funny but the first thing I thought of when I read the ad was, would I know any decent folk who would take a pup? Sadley I don't, but dreamer that I am, I'd like to think one or two find good homes, warm beds and plenty of graft and maybe, just maybe, one might become a legend!

 

 

Me too...I've been racking my brains all afternoon and calling people.

I know it's silly to get emotionally involved but it's the pups I feel concerned about.We've only bred the odd litter over the last 24 years and have had good homes lined up well before the pups were born. I think working dogs need so much more 'protection' than pet dogs.

You can't get any better home for a Lurcher or Terrier than a good, knowledgable working home...however if that dog falls into unscrupulous hands, their lives can be a living hell.

 

Ha ha, as, no matter what, i'm dog daft. Nowt stirs me quite as much as puppys goin to 'wrong' homes. I'm still thinkin, as I will for many a day but the truth of the matter is, that if people didn't breed so many pups, they wouldn't be in this feckin mess!!

Fact is, that it's a 'dog crazy' world out there, almost a desiese and the only losers are the dogs themselves!

When i bought into this game of working canines, just buying a dog was a hunt in itself, the 'word' lurcher was a very rare affair.

Sadly, times change, 'get in' (that ain't hard to do!!) and they are ten a penny, especially this time of year, and feck anyone who replys with the 'there are lurchers and there are...', Best bred or shite bred, they all are puppys and all new life deseves a chance, pity those who breed 'em don't think about where they'll end up!

Forget the pounds, it should never be about those, i'm old school enough to think that lurchers 'should' be kept by a minority, a minority, that value what a wonderful working dog they are and a minority that recognises graft, working dog men first and formost and litters should be a rarity, to those who deserve an honest dog!!!

[Simoman 110]

I think it's a head wrecker for any decent self respecting dogman and i'd agre with you all.

 

Bolio, that tales a sad one but your concence is clear, you know the score

 

It's funny but the first thing I thought of when I read the ad was, would I know any decent folk who would take a pup? Sadley I don't, but dreamer that I am, I'd like to think one or two find good homes, warm beds and plenty of graft and maybe, just maybe, one might become a legend!

 

 

Me too...I've been racking my brains all afternoon and calling people.

I know it's silly to get emotionally involved but it's the pups I feel concerned about.We've only bred the odd litter over the last 24 years and have had good homes lined up well before the pups were born. I think working dogs need so much more 'protection' than pet dogs.

You can't get any better home for a Lurcher or Terrier than a good, knowledgable working home...however if that dog falls into unscrupulous hands, their lives can be a living hell.

 

Ha ha, as, no matter what, i'm dog daft. Nowt stirs me quite as much as puppys goin to 'wrong' homes. I'm still thinkin, as I will for many a day but the truth of the matter is, that if people didn't breed so many pups, they wouldn't be in this feckin mess!!

Fact is, that it's a 'dog crazy' world out there, almost a desiese and the only losers are the dogs themselves!

When i bought into this game of working canines, just buying a dog was a hunt in itself, the 'word' lurcher was a very rare affair.

Sadly, times change, 'get in' (that ain't hard to do!!) and they are ten a penny, especially this time of year, and feck anyone who replys with the 'there are lurchers and there are...', Best bred or shite bred, they all are puppys and all new life deseves a chance, pity those who breed 'em don't think about where they'll end up!

Forget the pounds, it should never be about those, i'm old school enough to think that lurchers 'should' be kept by a minority, a minority, that value what a wonderful working dog they are and a minority that recognises graft, working dog men first and formost and litters should be a rarity, to those who deserve an honest dog!!!

 

 

Who can argue with that

[Guest Buttermilk]

....very well said.

[stainlee 27]

Bosun..

[chrissy32 13]

I rarely start a thread, but I am utterly furious.

I find it appalling that someone can 'resist' a well reared pup at a very reasonable price....but then suddenly, when the pups are free....they'll take two...?

 

This makes my blood boil...especially as the person can't pick up the pups or arrange transport it seems....what is going on? How on earth are you going to afford to look after a pup properly if you can't even give a small donation or arrange to pick her up??? I wouldn't give them a goldfish....never mind a vulnerable 8 week old pup.

 

A minority of people on THL seem to regard working dogs as dispenible, inanimate objects. I know some of the best working dogmen in the UK and Eire and have done for many years...they care for their dogs and respect them.

Some people would do well to take a leaf out of their book.

bottom line is id never part with any pup or dog if i thought the person who was taking it on could,nt look after it or would be passing it on and on but on the same note it,s not to say that the bloke who was taking that pup just because he could,nt pay for it thats not to say it would,nt be going to a well look,d after permanent home it would,nt be a bad idea check the place out just a thought because if money,s not realy an issue then there for id rather see a pup have a good start but thats just me atb chris

[BIG_SLIM 17]

Is it just me or is does the general attitude on this forum seem to be slowly turning to it becoming unacceptable to cull failed dogs/excess pups. Im not aiming this at anyone on this particular thread but i keep reading people being slated for saying they would cull any of the previous mentioned dogs. I would rather cull a pup which was surplus to requirements than it go to someone i dont know, therefore dont know how it would be treated, kept, worked and so on. Its the same with failed adult lurchers should they not be culled? after all they were bred as a working dog not a pet. Thats why there is so much shit about imo because people are to happy to keep and breed from crap dogs. Maybe it's the same as it has always been its just the rise of the internet legend that makes things seem different.

[Guest Buttermilk]

Is it just me or is does the general attitude on this forum seem to be slowly turning to it becoming unacceptable to cull failed dogs/excess pups. Im not aiming this at anyone on this particular thread but i keep reading people being slated for saying they would cull any of the previous mentioned dogs. I would rather cull a pup which was surplus to requirements than it go to someone i dont know, therefore dont know how it would be treated, kept, worked and so on. Its the same with failed adult lurchers should they not be culled? after all they were bred as a working dog not a pet. Thats why there is so much shit about imo because people are to happy to keep and breed from crap dogs. Maybe it's the same as it has always been its just the rise of the internet legend that makes things seem different.

 

 

Hmmmm. Sort of understand what you're saying...but totally disagree with you.

I have only ever bred 3 litters and each pup was spoken for before they were born. I made it my business to ensure I had good homes for at least 12/13 pups before I even contemplated lining my bitch. I would feel incredibly uncomfortable 'culling' strong, healthy pups just because I hadn't got off my arse and done the groundwork in ensuring the pups all had homes to go to BEFORE conception took place.

Similarly with failed workers....unless there's some hideous trait in the dog's character that makes her a danger, I see no reason why she shouldn't live out her life in a non working environment. All this shite about being 'born to work'...therefore anything else is not acceptable just doesn't wash. A good, active knowledgable home is enough for any dog. And it's certainly better than death.

But, perhaps the most disturbing element of your whole post is that I've just noticed on your profile, that your ONLY friend is ........ Cold Ethyl. :sick:

[CarraghsGem 92]

Is it just me or is does the general attitude on this forum seem to be slowly turning to it becoming unacceptable to cull failed dogs/excess pups. Im not aiming this at anyone on this particular thread but i keep reading people being slated for saying they would cull any of the previous mentioned dogs. I would rather cull a pup which was surplus to requirements than it go to someone i dont know, therefore dont know how it would be treated, kept, worked and so on. Its the same with failed adult lurchers should they not be culled? after all they were bred as a working dog not a pet. Thats why there is so much shit about imo because people are to happy to keep and breed from crap dogs. Maybe it's the same as it has always been its just the rise of the internet legend that makes things seem different.

 

seems to be that way, folk have gone soft, instead of work em hard + cull em hard . it has become work em at weekends and breed from the failures as well as the workers.

[BIG_SLIM 17]

I added cold ethyl because i thought she seemed like a real classy bird.

 

Theres nothing disturbing about my post thats just the way ive been taught and how i think things should be done. I can see i might be wasting my time trying to explain on this site so i will just leave it at that. Hope you find good homes for your pups

[Guest Buttermilk]

Is it just me or is does the general attitude on this forum seem to be slowly turning to it becoming unacceptable to cull failed dogs/excess pups. Im not aiming this at anyone on this particular thread but i keep reading people being slated for saying they would cull any of the previous mentioned dogs. I would rather cull a pup which was surplus to requirements than it go to someone i dont know, therefore dont know how it would be treated, kept, worked and so on. Its the same with failed adult lurchers should they not be culled? after all they were bred as a working dog not a pet. Thats why there is so much shit about imo because people are to happy to keep and breed from crap dogs. Maybe it's the same as it has always been its just the rise of the internet legend that makes things seem different.

 

seems to be that way, folk have gone soft, instead of work em hard + cull em hard . it has become work em at weekends and breed from the failures as well as the workers.

 

 

Why not "work 'em hard", and find good homes BEFORE you plan a litter...?

What's all this "cull'em hard" business...?? It is possible to "work 'em hard" and NOT "cull'em hard" ...the two don't automatically go hand in hand.

[BIG_SLIM 17]

work em hard and not cull em hard. Thats why theres so much shit about

Edited September 22, 2010 by BIG_SLIM

[Guest Buttermilk]

work em hard and not cull em hard. Thats why theres so much shit about

 

 

Not at all Biggy....you're missing the point.

Not all of us think it's a good idea to let our dogs mate indescriminately. You can be responsible and Not let your dogs breed.

I'm not advocating heaps of puppies...on the contrary, in my opinion, the only dogs that should be bred from, are dogs of good health, working ability and sound temperament.

In summary....if people didn't breed indescriminately....ie: took responsibility for their dogs we'd be in a situation where we have a superb gene pool of working dogs and the need to "cull 'em hard" is redundant.