Advice needed for Lurcher pup please...

[artic 595]

I also live very rural, however I will leash them up. The worst thing is having a dog pull on a lead when I go into urban areas or out lamping. Yes some may have a dog that never is leashed up when they lamp.

 

Like I have stated earlier in this thread, let them be pups, but control their freedom when young. Whistling a dog off a chase or to stop a pup following an older dog on a chase is rare in my books, well I've certainly not see this happen. Super speacial dogs.

 

Do as you please. Only you know your dogs, and be happy.

[feed the bear 13]

i never have my dogs on the lead unless in town,never done them any harm,good thread buttermilk,but i think it a shame that you have to start defending your actions,cheers......john:thumbs:

 

 

Thanks John ...it is interesting isn't it...?

 

Yes my darling its interesting. . . . . .. that you asked for advice. . . . .. . got a range of responses, all civil and all offering advice. . . . . . . .. and because it does not support what you do entirely, you take it as having to 'defend' yourself. Lets be honest, you did not want advice, you wanted confirmation that what you were doing was ok/right, which you already believe and have 'defended' against all other advice and opinions.

 

 

Get over yourself ff's...... so she ain't a big time hunter like you and asked if it was ok what she was doing, big deal..... Too many folk on here take this shit way too serious....

[Guest Buttermilk]

i never have my dogs on the lead unless in town,never done them any harm,good thread buttermilk,but i think it a shame that you have to start defending your actions,cheers......john:thumbs:

 

 

Thanks John ...it is interesting isn't it...?

 

Yes my darling its interesting. . . . . .. that you asked for advice. . . . .. . got a range of responses, all civil and all offering advice. . . . . . . .. and because it does not support what you do entirely, you take it as having to 'defend' yourself. Lets be honest, you did not want advice, you wanted confirmation that what you were doing was ok/right, which you already believe and have 'defended' against all other advice and opinions.

 

 

What....?????

I never mentioned defending myself...?

And not all other opinions differed from mine....what's your point exactly? I suppose I was looking for reassurance ...what's wrong with that?

[Ideation 8,216]

I also live very rural, however I will leash them up. The worst thing is having a dog pull on a lead when I go into urban areas or out lamping. Yes some may have a dog that never is leashed up when they lamp.

 

Like I have stated earlier in this thread, let them be pups, but control their freedom when young. Whistling a dog off a chase or to stop a pup following an older dog on a chase is rare in my books, well I've certainly not see this happen. Super speacial dogs.

 

Do as you please. Only you know your dogs, and be happy.

 

Spot on mate. I think Buttermilk got confused - no one was comparing their and her way of doing it and saying one was better, worse, or shit (other than her), they were merely highlighting the potential problems or dangers, which was what was asked for as advise, to which she then got defensive and proceded to discount it all based upon her personal experiance

[Ideation 8,216]

i never have my dogs on the lead unless in town,never done them any harm,good thread buttermilk,but i think it a shame that you have to start defending your actions,cheers......john:thumbs:

 

 

Thanks John ...it is interesting isn't it...?

 

Yes my darling its interesting. . . . . .. that you asked for advice. . . . .. . got a range of responses, all civil and all offering advice. . . . . . . .. and because it does not support what you do entirely, you take it as having to 'defend' yourself. Lets be honest, you did not want advice, you wanted confirmation that what you were doing was ok/right, which you already believe and have 'defended' against all other advice and opinions.

 

 

What....?????

I never mentioned defending myself...?

And not all other opinions differed from mine....what's your point exactly? I suppose I was looking for reassurance ...what's wrong with that?

 

 

I didnt say all opinions differed from yours . . . . . . . .i said you had 'a range of responses'. Some of these were highlighting dangers / offering advice on the potential pitfalls of what you were doing. You entitled the topic 'Advice needed' but as you said you were just looking for reassurance that your methods were fine and in fact 'the best'. There is nothing wrong with seeking reassurance, but not just cherry picking it and ignoring / brushing off everything else.

 

As for having to defend yourself i'm sorry if i am mistaken but i thought your comment in response to John was about this?

 

FTB - what the f**k are you on about? I never mentioned the amount of hunting done and have no problem with Buttermilk asking advice, merely with the fact that she was not looking for advice at all and the way she dealt with what she had. A case of insecurity seeking confirmation and reassurance that her method is infact the best. As such - your comment makes very little sense so. . . . . get over yourself ffs

[Hannah4181 260]

I also live very rural, however I will leash them up. The worst thing is having a dog pull on a lead when I go into urban areas or out lamping. Yes some may have a dog that never is leashed up when they lamp.

 

Like I have stated earlier in this thread, let them be pups, but control their freedom when young. Whistling a dog off a chase or to stop a pup following an older dog on a chase is rare in my books, well I've certainly not see this happen. Super speacial dogs.

 

Do as you please. Only you know your dogs, and be happy.

 

The "heal" command is taught from an early age and adhered to on or off the lead, although personally i favour teaching it off lead.

 

When walking next to cover, its pretty obvious from the level of noise when the dogs are about to flush something a bit bigger. In my experience very young pups (which is what the thread was initially about) will have a natural air of caution, allowing time for a distraction such as a whistle, to avoid a situation in which they may injure themselves. Again as i said as Spider matured he was restricted when and where it was necessary , nothing super special about it, just common sense and knowing your dogs, and the land you hunt.

[Guest Buttermilk]

I also live very rural, however I will leash them up. The worst thing is having a dog pull on a lead when I go into urban areas or out lamping. Yes some may have a dog that never is leashed up when they lamp.

 

Like I have stated earlier in this thread, let them be pups, but control their freedom when young. Whistling a dog off a chase or to stop a pup following an older dog on a chase is rare in my books, well I've certainly not see this happen. Super speacial dogs.

 

Do as you please. Only you know your dogs, and be happy.

 

Spot on mate. I think Buttermilk got confused - no one was comparing their and her way of doing it and saying one was better, worse, or shit (other than her), they were merely highlighting the potential problems or dangers, which was what was asked for as advise, to which she then got defensive and proceded to discount it all based upon her personal experiance

 

 

Don't be so utterly patronising Ideation....just because you can string a decent sentence together and use grammar properly, it doesn't make you the oracle.

 

I didn't get confused or defensive....and I never said anyone's way is 'shit'.

I really appreciate everyone responding to the thread....and was interested to hear everyone's take on the subject. I think it is interesting and have learnt some different tips.

I don't get why you're being so unpleasant...?

[Ideation 8,216]

I also live very rural, however I will leash them up. The worst thing is having a dog pull on a lead when I go into urban areas or out lamping. Yes some may have a dog that never is leashed up when they lamp.

 

Like I have stated earlier in this thread, let them be pups, but control their freedom when young. Whistling a dog off a chase or to stop a pup following an older dog on a chase is rare in my books, well I've certainly not see this happen. Super speacial dogs.

 

Do as you please. Only you know your dogs, and be happy.

 

The "heal" command is taught from an early age and adhered to on or off the lead, although personally i favour teaching it off lead.

 

When walking next to cover, its pretty obvious from the level of noise when the dogs are about to flush something a bit bigger. In my experience very young pups (which is what the thread was initially about) will have a natural air of caution, allowing time for a distraction such as a whistle, to avoid a situation in which they may injure themselves. Again as i said as Spider matured he was restricted when and where it was necessary , nothing super special about it, just common sense and knowing your dogs, and the land you hunt.

 

How well trained can a 3 month pup be? Enough te heal off lead with no issue? So sit and stay steady when game breaks across it's front? I consider my pup well trained and i know for a fact i stand very little chance of stopping him once he has locked on. . . . . which he does VERY quickly. I dont see what my pup can learn by losing the race across an open field to a rabbit at three months of age? Am i missing something? No one is saying it will always cause a problem or danger they are just saying it COULD.

[Hannah4181 260]

I also live very rural, however I will leash them up. The worst thing is having a dog pull on a lead when I go into urban areas or out lamping. Yes some may have a dog that never is leashed up when they lamp.

 

Like I have stated earlier in this thread, let them be pups, but control their freedom when young. Whistling a dog off a chase or to stop a pup following an older dog on a chase is rare in my books, well I've certainly not see this happen. Super speacial dogs.

 

Do as you please. Only you know your dogs, and be happy.

 

The "heal" command is taught from an early age and adhered to on or off the lead, although personally i favour teaching it off lead.

 

When walking next to cover, its pretty obvious from the level of noise when the dogs are about to flush something a bit bigger. In my experience very young pups (which is what the thread was initially about) will have a natural air of caution, allowing time for a distraction such as a whistle, to avoid a situation in which they may injure themselves. Again as i said as Spider matured he was restricted when and where it was necessary , nothing super special about it, just common sense and knowing your dogs, and the land you hunt.

 

How well trained can a 3 month pup be? Enough te heal off lead with no issue? So sit and stay steady when game breaks across it's front? I consider my pup well trained and i know for a fact i stand very little chance of stopping him once he has locked on. . . . . which he does VERY quickly. I dont see what my pup can learn by losing the race across an open field to a rabbit at three months of age? Am i missing something? No one is saying it will always cause a problem or danger they are just saying it COULD.

 

 

I think your taking what i have said too literally, the pup in question was born a very steady dog. Of course a 3 month pup is only ever going to reach a certain level of training, but when walking off lead, in my experience at 3 months they don't wander far and are naturally cautious of new experiences, thus meaning if you forsee something it is not hard to prevent the puppy from getting involved and coming back to you, not in a sit, stay, but to put your finger through his collar to prevent him from giving chase. Inevitably the adult dogs are normally a good way ahead meaning what ever breaks will not be under the pups nose.

[malc1 544]

I also live very rural, however I will leash them up. The worst thing is having a dog pull on a lead when I go into urban areas or out lamping. Yes some may have a dog that never is leashed up when they lamp.

 

Like I have stated earlier in this thread, let them be pups, but control their freedom when young. Whistling a dog off a chase or to stop a pup following an older dog on a chase is rare in my books, well I've certainly not see this happen. Super speacial dogs.

 

Do as you please. Only you know your dogs, and be happy.

 

Spot on mate. I think Buttermilk got confused - no one was comparing their and her way of doing it and saying one was better, worse, or shit (other than her), they were merely highlighting the potential problems or dangers, which was what was asked for as advise, to which she then got defensive and proceded to discount it all based upon her personal experiance

 

 

Don't be so utterly patronising Ideation....just because you can string a decent sentence together and use grammar properly, it doesn't make you the oracle.

 

I didn't get confused or defensive....and I never said anyone's way is 'shit'.

I really appreciate everyone responding to the thread....and was interested to hear everyone's take on the subject. I think it is interesting and have learnt some different tips.

I don't get why you're being so unpleasant...?

dont let them get to you i had all this when i started my pup young alb malc

[Ideation 8,216]

I also live very rural, however I will leash them up. The worst thing is having a dog pull on a lead when I go into urban areas or out lamping. Yes some may have a dog that never is leashed up when they lamp.

 

Like I have stated earlier in this thread, let them be pups, but control their freedom when young. Whistling a dog off a chase or to stop a pup following an older dog on a chase is rare in my books, well I've certainly not see this happen. Super speacial dogs.

 

Do as you please. Only you know your dogs, and be happy.

 

Spot on mate. I think Buttermilk got confused - no one was comparing their and her way of doing it and saying one was better, worse, or shit (other than her), they were merely highlighting the potential problems or dangers, which was what was asked for as advise, to which she then got defensive and proceded to discount it all based upon her personal experiance

 

 

Don't be so utterly patronising Ideation....just because you can string a decent sentence together and use grammar properly, it doesn't make you the oracle.

 

I didn't get confused or defensive....and I never said anyone's way is 'shit'.

I really appreciate everyone responding to the thread....and was interested to hear everyone's take on the subject. I think it is interesting and have learnt some different tips.

I don't get why you're being so unpleasant...?

 

 

I'm not attempting to be unpleasant or patronizing. Just read back. . . . .all i'm saying is you asked for advice when you wanted reassurance and were pretty dismissive of any advice which may have highlighted potential problems in your methods. Then proceeded to say that it was believed that your methods were 'the best and produced better workers'.

 

At no point have i claimed an oracle like abilities and actually have not in this thread hammered you with any of my beliefs of training or raisng dogs. Thats not the issue here, i believe that you probably do and will raise great dogs, and you obviously care about them. I in fact adopt very similar methods to you, within reason. My issue was just your attitude and response to the advice that other offered, Perhaps i got your tone wrong? I am certainly in a cranky mood and maybe you are bearing the brunt? Either way, this is a foolish thing to argue about as your pup is obviously doing well. Just be careful, like i said last thing pup needs is to end up in a situation where it is overmatched in some way. . . . . and you know what pups are like - they will always find some trouble to get in.

 

Once watched a pup f**k itself stretching too hard after a fleeing rabbit, slipped, hit the ground too hard, no one was sure if it was a gut strain, or impact that f****d it.

 

I meant you were confused in that you believed that anyone was attacking your methods rather than highlighting potential problems in an advisory way.

 

I never claimed that you said anyones method was shit, but that you may have felt that others were calling your methods 'shit'. The bracketed comment was in response to your your repetition of your husbands assertion followed by nodding head.

 

Thank you for appreciating my sentence construction. Don't take this personally

[Guest Buttermilk]

I also live very rural, however I will leash them up. The worst thing is having a dog pull on a lead when I go into urban areas or out lamping. Yes some may have a dog that never is leashed up when they lamp.

 

Like I have stated earlier in this thread, let them be pups, but control their freedom when young. Whistling a dog off a chase or to stop a pup following an older dog on a chase is rare in my books, well I've certainly not see this happen. Super speacial dogs.

 

Do as you please. Only you know your dogs, and be happy.

 

The "heal" command is taught from an early age and adhered to on or off the lead, although personally i favour teaching it off lead.

 

When walking next to cover, its pretty obvious from the level of noise when the dogs are about to flush something a bit bigger. In my experience very young pups (which is what the thread was initially about) will have a natural air of caution, allowing time for a distraction such as a whistle, to avoid a situation in which they may injure themselves. Again as i said as Spider matured he was restricted when and where it was necessary , nothing super special about it, just common sense and knowing your dogs, and the land you hunt.

 

How well trained can a 3 month pup be? Enough te heal off lead with no issue? So sit and stay steady when game breaks across it's front? I consider my pup well trained and i know for a fact i stand very little chance of stopping him once he has locked on. . . . . which he does VERY quickly. I dont see what my pup can learn by losing the race across an open field to a rabbit at three months of age? Am i missing something? No one is saying it will always cause a problem or danger they are just saying it COULD.

 

 

Thumbs up to you too.

I think you're just trying to show off infront of your friends.

But hang on a second ....who on earth mentioned ...and I quote ..."losing the race across an open field to a rabbit at three months of age" ..certainly not me.

Now I know you like to think you're a relatively smart chap...but let me put this simply. My pup likes to mooch about and sniff at rabbit warrens, she joins in with the others when they're hunting up in cover. Do you understand?

I was looking for reassurance/advice/thoughts....call it what you will.

I'm more than happy to listen and take on board others' view points and I've found this thread to be really informative.

I'm not confused, feeling defensive or anything else really....just slightly CON fused at your reaction.

[feed the bear 13]

I also live very rural, however I will leash them up. The worst thing is having a dog pull on a lead when I go into urban areas or out lamping. Yes some may have a dog that never is leashed up when they lamp.

 

Like I have stated earlier in this thread, let them be pups, but control their freedom when young. Whistling a dog off a chase or to stop a pup following an older dog on a chase is rare in my books, well I've certainly not see this happen. Super speacial dogs.

 

Do as you please. Only you know your dogs, and be happy.

 

The "heal" command is taught from an early age and adhered to on or off the lead, although personally i favour teaching it off lead.

 

When walking next to cover, its pretty obvious from the level of noise when the dogs are about to flush something a bit bigger. In my experience very young pups (which is what the thread was initially about) will have a natural air of caution, allowing time for a distraction such as a whistle, to avoid a situation in which they may injure themselves. Again as i said as Spider matured he was restricted when and where it was necessary , nothing super special about it, just common sense and knowing your dogs, and the land you hunt.

 

How well trained can a 3 month pup be? Enough te heal off lead with no issue? So sit and stay steady when game breaks across it's front? I consider my pup well trained and i know for a fact i stand very little chance of stopping him once he has locked on. . . . . which he does VERY quickly. I dont see what my pup can learn by losing the race across an open field to a rabbit at three months of age? Am i missing something? No one is saying it will always cause a problem or danger they are just saying it COULD.

 

 

Thumbs up to you too.

I think you're just trying to show off infront of your friends.

But hang on a second ....who on earth mentioned ...and I quote ..."losing the race across an open field to a rabbit at three months of age" ..certainly not me.

Now I know you like to think you're a relatively smart chap...but let me put this simply. My pup likes to mooch about and sniff at rabbit warrens, she joins in with the others when they're hunting up in cover. Do you understand?

I was looking for reassurance/advice/thoughts....call it what you will.

I'm more than happy to listen and take on board others' view points and I've found this thread to be really informative.

I'm not confused, feeling defensive or anything else really....just slightly CON fused at your reaction.

 

 

:dance: :clapping: :dance: :clapping: :dance:

[Ideation 8,216]

I also live very rural, however I will leash them up. The worst thing is having a dog pull on a lead when I go into urban areas or out lamping. Yes some may have a dog that never is leashed up when they lamp.

 

Like I have stated earlier in this thread, let them be pups, but control their freedom when young. Whistling a dog off a chase or to stop a pup following an older dog on a chase is rare in my books, well I've certainly not see this happen. Super speacial dogs.

 

Do as you please. Only you know your dogs, and be happy.

 

The "heal" command is taught from an early age and adhered to on or off the lead, although personally i favour teaching it off lead.

 

When walking next to cover, its pretty obvious from the level of noise when the dogs are about to flush something a bit bigger. In my experience very young pups (which is what the thread was initially about) will have a natural air of caution, allowing time for a distraction such as a whistle, to avoid a situation in which they may injure themselves. Again as i said as Spider matured he was restricted when and where it was necessary , nothing super special about it, just common sense and knowing your dogs, and the land you hunt.

 

How well trained can a 3 month pup be? Enough te heal off lead with no issue? So sit and stay steady when game breaks across it's front? I consider my pup well trained and i know for a fact i stand very little chance of stopping him once he has locked on. . . . . which he does VERY quickly. I dont see what my pup can learn by losing the race across an open field to a rabbit at three months of age? Am i missing something? No one is saying it will always cause a problem or danger they are just saying it COULD.

 

 

I think your taking what i have said too literally, the pup in question was born a very steady dog. Of course a 3 month pup is only ever going to reach a certain level of training, but when walking off lead, in my experience at 3 months they don't wander far and are naturally cautious of new experiences, thus meaning if you forsee something it is not hard to prevent the puppy from getting involved and coming back to you, not in a sit, stay, but to put your finger through his collar to prevent him from giving chase. Inevitably the adult dogs are normally a good way ahead meaning what ever breaks will not be under the pups nose.

 

That is a very fair point hannah, but i believe is a little difficult to practice when you are astride a horse and the pup IS off up ahead with the older dogs, as in buttermilks case. At 3 months my current pup would have given no though to chasing a rabbit at full tilt (until he ran into something . . . . possibly his own legs). Whilst i think it is INCREDIBLY positive to have pups out and about the countryside from a young age i was just trying to highlight the POTENTIAL dangers to a 3 month pup of pack hunting with two older mature dogs, off at any distance in land where there is likely to be a lot of game. Maybe its different where you are, but here there are areas where we may come across the odd rabbit and he may get the rare chance of a run at them, but really he isnt going to be pushing himself, and other areas if we walk out for an hour we are very likely to have at least a dozen rabbits get up in the field and run flat out for cover - something pup will happily chase but has very little chance of getting on terms with, and the nature of the land, the speed and the pups lack of physical and mental maturity may lead to him getting hurt or frustrated - two things which are not worth it to me for the chance the pup might cornor the odd rabbit in cover.

[Guest Buttermilk]

I also live very rural, however I will leash them up. The worst thing is having a dog pull on a lead when I go into urban areas or out lamping. Yes some may have a dog that never is leashed up when they lamp.

 

Like I have stated earlier in this thread, let them be pups, but control their freedom when young. Whistling a dog off a chase or to stop a pup following an older dog on a chase is rare in my books, well I've certainly not see this happen. Super speacial dogs.

 

Do as you please. Only you know your dogs, and be happy.

 

Spot on mate. I think Buttermilk got confused - no one was comparing their and her way of doing it and saying one was better, worse, or shit (other than her), they were merely highlighting the potential problems or dangers, which was what was asked for as advise, to which she then got defensive and proceded to discount it all based upon her personal experiance

 

 

Don't be so utterly patronising Ideation....just because you can string a decent sentence together and use grammar properly, it doesn't make you the oracle.

 

I didn't get confused or defensive....and I never said anyone's way is 'shit'.

I really appreciate everyone responding to the thread....and was interested to hear everyone's take on the subject. I think it is interesting and have learnt some different tips.

I don't get why you're being so unpleasant...?

 

 

I'm not attempting to be unpleasant or patronizing. Just read back. . . . .all i'm saying is you asked for advice when you wanted reassurance and were pretty dismissive of any advice which may have highlighted potential problems in your methods. Then proceeded to say that it was believed that your methods were 'the best and produced better workers'.

 

At no point have i claimed an oracle like abilities and actually have not in this thread hammered you with any of my beliefs of training or raisng dogs. Thats not the issue here, i believe that you probably do and will raise great dogs, and you obviously care about them. I in fact adopt very similar methods to you, within reason. My issue was just your attitude and response to the advice that other offered, Perhaps i got your tone wrong? I am certainly in a cranky mood and maybe you are bearing the brunt? Either way, this is a foolish thing to argue about as your pup is obviously doing well. Just be careful, like i said last thing pup needs is to end up in a situation where it is overmatched in some way. . . . . and you know what pups are like - they will always find some trouble to get in.

 

Once watched a pup f**k itself stretching too hard after a fleeing rabbit, slipped, hit the ground too hard, no one was sure if it was a gut strain, or impact that f****d it.

 

I meant you were confused in that you believed that anyone was attacking your methods rather than highlighting potential problems in an advisory way.

 

I never claimed that you said anyones method was shit, but that you may have felt that others were calling your methods 'shit'. The bracketed comment was in response to your your repetition of your husbands assertion followed by nodding head.

 

Thank you for appreciating my sentence construction. Don't take this personally

 

 

No....I said YOU appreciate your own sentence construction a little too much No offence.

And the thing about my ex husband was true, but very much tongue in cheek...I did say it for a reaction, so touche.

 

I'm not confused and don't think anyone is attacking me....why would I? Everyone has been really helpful. I appreciate anyone taking time out to respond to a querry.

 

Anyhow, you seem to have calmed down a little now....phew.

But I do think you ought to take up some sort of activity or something to get rid of this aggression and over analytical tendency you have....do you have a girlfriend?

Don't take this personally...

 

Edit: Not always astride a horse, often sunbathing, reading a book or just plain walking

Edited September 16, 2010 by Buttermilk