those taliban need wiped out.

[SHARPSHOOTER! 40]

Have to admit that this is the funniest thread i have read for ages, being from Birmingham and knowing Alum Rock i near pissed myself at the references.

 

Little Timmy, if you really have joined up to experience war then you are the most stupid c**t on here( your words about fellow members! not mine) The people you are joining up to protect in afghanistan manage if they are lucky, to travel to any other part of the world to avoid the experience! you are volunteering to go? Many people who have served in conflicts find the experience life changing in many ways, mostly for the worse.

 

 

I will agree that not all muslims are terrorists, but when push comes to shove the majority would prefer Sharia Law (think thats how it's spelt) in the uk. If they want to live in a muslim state the door is open for them to leave. Afghanistan's problems will never be solved by outside forces imposing western ideals on the country, it has to be changed by the people themselves, is this not how the uk and the usa got their democratic rights? Yes Christians have done bad things in the past in the name of religion, as have all major religions, with perhaps Budduhists being exempt. I think what most people object to in the uk is that they turn their areas into ghettos and build their mosques, divide themselves from the general public and then try to take some moral high ground based on their belief in the Koran. They are no different to Jehova's or Jews in this respect.

 

Your knowledge of the IRA and it's bombing campaigns is also a little skewed.....during the bombings you mentioned the uk bombing campaign was headed by an Englishman and it was never about religion but home rule for the irish, which had been taken away from them on a religious pretext, with only NI being left to be returned. State sponsored killings of Catholics did occur, generally legitimate targets being active IRA members and as they viewed themselves at war they knew the risks. However this is a whole different thread.

 

Like most people on here i believe in live and let live, however, where muslims are concerned remember you will always be an infadel in their eyes and will be seen as an enemy to Islam.

 

(does the Koran also not state tht dogs are unclean and should never be around the house - never trust someone who don't like dogs!)

 

That is exactly as I see it, excellent post .

Thats why parents off today should make there children do there home work !!!! There is so much they don't know yet should , so that one day they can voice there oppinion with consise and correct facts to back there views,morals and beliefs .

 

Again one of the best posts read in months on the site .

 

 

Thanks very much the facts and the post are spot on !!!!

[jaggafeen 1]

There are foreign troops from 47 countries working under the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF),

 

the afghans have no army no airforce no sattelites no hi tech equipment they are one of the poorest nations in the world but they are still winning the war against the nato forces who are camped in their bases and only control Kabul.The Taliban are the real rulers of Afghanistan not the nato installed puppet karzai whos writ does not extend past his nose.The Taliban will never be wiped out because the taliban are the afghan people and as long as foriegn forces are on their land they will fight.The afghans are a fierce warrior race and have never been conquered.Russia tried it on but the strain of war against Afghanistan resulted in the collapse of russia.The longer Britian or USA or any other nation stays in Afghanistan the more they hurt there own economies and the lives of the soldiers and families.There is no way nato can win in afghanistan this has been admiitted by many nato generals, they will have to withdraw one day which will be a humiliating defeat and the Taliban will rule again.How much money has the UK wasted on this fruitless war?Can anybody answer that question?

 

The tories want to make cuts but nobody ever discusses how much money has been being spent on a war against an imaginary enemy.The UK forces should pull out and save the lives of their soldiers and safegaurd their economies instead of wasting precious lives and resources.Russia tried to do it from next door and could not succeed, i think we should take that as a example before our economy collapses just like russian ecomomy

 

All those who think that nato can succeed in Afghanistan are living in cloud cuckoo land,eventually Nato will withdraw but at what cost?They will face a humiliating defeat at the hands of the poorest nation on the planet.THe Afghans will reinstate their beloved Mullah Omar as their leader.They are devout muslims and desire to live under the shariah and it is their right to decide who will run their country.

 

 

On 911 within five minutes of the planes hitting the towers the media was blaming osama bin laden,the following day 10/11 the American Airlines released the flight lists of the passengers on all 4 planes on that day i myself read every name on the lists and there were no muslim names on the flight list,on the day of 11/11 the FBI released their version of the lists with the 19 hijackers names added.Why did the worlds most powerfull nations airforce stand down when 4 planes went missing?

The only source of information the sheeple have is the media and it shows they have done a good job of brainwashing the majority of people.The west had no real reason to invade Iraq or Afghanistan apart from installing puppet regimes to control the oil and to steal the trillions of dollars worth of untapped mineral resources in Afghanistan

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[scothunter 12,609]

There are foreign troops from 47 countries working under the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF),

 

the afghans have no army no airforce no sattelites no hi tech equipment they are one of the poorest nations in the world but they are still winning the war against the nato forces who are camped in their bases and only control Kabul.The Taliban are the real rulers of Afghanistan not the nato installed puppet karzai whos writ does not extend past his nose.The Taliban will never be wiped out because the taliban are the afghan people and as long as foriegn forces are on their land they will fight.The afghans are a fierce warrior race and have never been conquered.Russia tried it on but the strain of war against Afghanistan resulted in the collapse of russia.The longer Britian or USA or any other nation stays in Afghanistan the more they hurt there own economies and the lives of the soldiers and families.There is no way nato can win in afghanistan this has been admiitted by many nato generals, they will have to withdraw one day which will be a humiliating defeat and the Taliban will rule again.How much money has the UK wasted on this fruitless war?Can anybody answer that question?

 

The tories want to make cuts but nobody ever discusses how much money has been being spent on a war against an imaginary enemy.The UK forces should pull out and save the lives of their soldiers and safegaurd their economies instead of wasting precious lives and resources.Russia tried to do it from next door and could not succeed, i think we should take that as a example before our economy collapses just like russian ecomomy

 

All those who think that nato can succeed in Afghanistan are living in cloud cuckoo land,eventually Nato will withdraw but at what cost?They will face a humiliating defeat at the hands of the poorest nation on the planet.THe Afghans will reinstate their beloved Mullah Omar as their leader.They are devout muslims and desire to live under the shariah and it is their right to decide who will run their country.

 

 

On 911 within five minutes of the planes hitting the towers the media was blaming osama bin laden,the following day 10/11 the American Airlines released the flight lists of the passengers on all 4 planes on that day i myself read every name on the lists and there were no muslim names on the flight list,on the day of 11/11 the FBI released their version of the lists with the 19 hijackers names added.Why did the worlds most powerfull nations airforce stand down when 4 planes went missing?

The only source of information the sheeple have is the media and it shows they have done a good job of brainwashing the majority of people.The west had no real reason to invade Iraq or Afghanistan apart from installing puppet regimes to control the oil and to steal the trillions of dollars worth of untapped mineral resources in Afghanistan

 

let me get this right,your saying that those saudis and other muslim terrorists didnt fly those planes into the towers.what a load of pish.Show me proof of this and i dont mean some half arsed theory from some conspiracey theory

Edited September 18, 2010 by scothunter

[shepp 2,285]

Conspiracy theories to me are a tool used by smug people to try and make themselves appear superior.

[shepp 2,285]

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[jaggafeen 1]

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let me get this right,your saying that those saudis and other muslim terrorists didnt fly those planes into the towers.what a load of pish.Show me proof of this and i dont mean some half arsed theory from some conspiracey theory

 

i explained the proof in the last post i made,just google the 2 different flight lists that were released after 911 the first one by the airlines with no hijacker names and the second one the following day by the fbi with 19 hijackers names added.

 

 

Can you show me any proof that it was muslims?

Edited September 18, 2010 by jaggafeen

[jaggafeen 1]

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-terror-rehearsal.html

 

 

On the afternoon and evening of 7th July 2005, information came to light about a private company running a terror rehearsal operation in London at the time that real explosions were reported to have occurred on the transport network. These revelations came not from an anonymous source but instead from the Managing Director of the private firm running the terror rehearsal operation. The private firm is Visor Consultants and the Managing Director in question is Peter Power.

 

 

 

Peter Power on Radio 5 Live's DrivetimeThe first of Mr Power's interviews was given on the afternoon of 7th July 2005, presumably after Mr Power had finished orchestrating his private terror rehearsal, when he appeared on BBC Radio 5 Live's Drivetime programme. Below is a transcript from the Radio 5 Live programme, complete with a link to a recording of the interview:

 

POWER: ...at half-past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for, er, over, a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing upright!

 

PETER ALLEN: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?

 

POWER: Precisely, and it was, er, about half-past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don't want to reveal their name but they're listening and they'll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision, 'this is the real one' and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from 'slow time' to 'quick time' thinking and so on

 

 

A short while after his appearance on BBC Radio, at 20:20 on 7/7, Peter Power gave a television interview to ITV news which revealed a little more about the nature of the operation as well as hinting at the sort of organisations for whom the operation might have been organised:

 

POWER: Today we were running an exercise for a company - bearing in mind I'm now in the private sector - and we sat everybody down, in the city - 1,000 people involved in the whole organisation - but the crisis team. And the most peculiar thing was, we based our scenario on the simultaneous attacks on an underground and mainline station. So we had to suddenly switch an exercise from 'fictional' to 'real'. And one of the first things is, get that bureau number, when you have a list of people missing, tell them. And it took a long time -

 

INTERVIEWER: Just to get this right, you were actually working today on an exercise that envisioned virtually this scenario?

 

POWER: Er, almost precisely. I was up to 2 oclock this morning, because it's our job, my own company. Visor Consultants, we specialise in helping people to get their crisis management response. How do you jump from 'slow time' thinking to 'quick time' doing? And we chose a scenario - with their assistance - which is based on a terrorist attack because they're very close to, er, a property occupied by Jewish businessmen, they're in the city, and there are more American banks in the city than there are in the whole of New York - a logical thing to do. And it, I've still got the hair....

 

 

[jaggafeen 1]

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/j7-book-review-daniel-obachike-the-fourth-bomb.html

 

A review of The Fourth Bomb, a book by Daniel Obachike

 

 

"The 4th Bomb" is an account of the events of 7/7 by Daniel Obachike in which he claims that:

 

■he was a passenger on the number 30 bus that exploded in Tavistock Square on 7th July 2005

■Hasib Hussain, the alleged bomber, was not on the bus

■a bomb was planted on the bus by an MI5 operative

■the bomb was detonated by means of the mobile phone network

 

He also claims that he saw Christian Small (Njoya Diawara) alive and well ten minutes after the authorities allege that he died in one of the explosions on the underground.

 

As well as the events of 7th July 2005, Obachike describes how he believes he came under surveillance by MI5 operatives afterwards, and how he went about making his story public. His only attempt to go through the mainstream media was via Michael Duffy of the Sunday Mirror, on 12th July 2005. "The 4th Bomb" claims that Duffy lost interest because Obachike refused to confirm that Hasib Hussain was on the bus (p 94). It would be interesting to hear Duffy's account of their meeting. In July 2006, Obachike's story was published in "New Nation", "Britain's number 1 best selling black newspaper" (not to be confused with the American white supremacist web site of the same name). Subsequently, Obachike trailed "The 4th Bomb" on a web site and blog. The book was originally described there as a novel, but when this was queried Obachike promptly made clear that even though he described the book as a novel it was non-fiction. It was finally published in July 2007 (around the same time as a collection of Christian Small's writings). "The 4th Bomb" is essentially self-published. This is notoriously not a route that leads to fame and fortune, so it is reasonable to discount such unworthy motives in the author.

 

It needs to be borne in mind that eye witness testimony is generally regarded as inferior to other forensic evidence. This is because of the way the human brain works. Memory can be fallible even when there is no intention to deceive. For this reason even if Obachike's claims cannot be disproved we must beware of attaching too much weight to them. By the same reasoning, though, his account cannot be dismissed as unreliable just because it has a few anomalies.

 

Obachike claims that he was at Euston on July 7th because he decided to change to the underground rather than continue on his mainline train from Enfield Town all the way to Liverpool Street. The only reason he gives for this change is to avoid the "grey brigade" (p 6). Sure enough, the aptly named Seven Sisters provides attractive females for Obachike's contemplation, but we are left wondering whether someone running late for work (p 5, p 239) would have chosen this route.

 

At Euston, Obachike does not take a 205 bus (which would have taken him to Old Street where he wanted to go) because its driver informs him, "in a heavy African accent", that he should take the number 30 (p 24). One strange feature of the number 30 bus is that the apparent destinations of many of its passengers would have been better served by the number 205. "The 4th Bomb" offers an explanation for this: the driver of the 205 bus mistakenly told them to take the number 30. Note, however, that Obachike did not include this incident in his July 2006 account in "New Nation".

 

"The 4th Bomb" describes how the number 30 bus was held up on Euston Road for several minutes by a blue BMW and black Mercedes, before it turned right into Upper Woburn Place. At the time of the explosion Obachike states that there was "only Daniel, the bus driver and a handful of people seated towards the rear remaining on its lower deck" (p 20). This handful included "three females" (p 21), but no mention is made of the middle aged man listening to his IPod referred to in other reports. Later on, Obachike asserts that he was "the only male passenger on the lower deck as it was diverted to Tavistock Square" (p 220).

 

After the explosion, Obachike remained still for 12 seconds (p 22). He then ran 40 metres and took in the sights of someone filming the bus with a camcorder and a police cordon (p 23). When he turned round, which must therefore at the very least be 15 seconds after the explosion, he saw a section of bus roof "pirouette in the air in slow motion before floating gently to earth" (p 24). If the roof was blown off by the initial explosion, it could not still be in the air that long afterwards. Note, however, that in his July 2006 account in "New Nation" Obachike said he left the bus within 10 seconds of the blast.

 

60 seconds after the explosion, Obachike found a man in a grey suit with a bandaged head and torn trousers 70 metres away from the bus (p 25; on p 225 he is placed 50 metres away). The only video footage of this man shows him receiving assistance in the Russell Square area. If he was injured in the Piccadilly Line explosion, as this footage suggests, it is extremely unlikely that he would have been in Tavistock Square at the time of the bus explosion. Obachike explains his presence by claiming that Peter Power was running a terror drill at Russell Square, and that this bandaged man was a part of it before being relocated for another terror drill in Tavistock Square (p 229).

 

"The 4th Bomb" presents no evidence that Peter Power was running a drill at Russell Square, other than Power's media statements that his exercise was for incidents at precisely the same locations as the explosions. This is not conclusive as it is unclear whether Power would have regarded Kings Cross or Russell Square as the station affected by the Piccadilly line explosion. We know that Power's exercise did include "mock broadcasts", though. The time has long since passed when Peter Power should have made a full public disclosure of his exercise. No consideration of "commercial confidentiality" can justify the withholding of this information when so many were killed and injured. It is a disgrace that the news media continues to use him as a terrorism expert without questioning him about this. Until we know the truth about that exercise, the claims made about it in "The 4th Bomb" cannot be ruled out.

 

There are some slight inaccuracies in the way that Power is quoted by "The 4th Bomb". It claims (p 193) that Power said on the radio he "had been conducting 4 terror drills at 3 tube stations and a train station". In fact, Power referred to a single exercise and did not state explicitly the number of stations involved. It was only in his television interview that he mentioned a mainline station. It should also be noted that in his interview with the Manchester Evening News Power stated that the exercise did not involve a bus bomb.

 

Obachike claims that as a result of a Google search he found a report that "A bicycle courier called Andrew Childes saw a black man running away from the bus seconds after it exploded" (p 50). Whilst a number of articles citing Andrew Childes can still be found on the Internet, none of them has this statement about a black man running away.

 

There is a strange interlude in Obachike's narrative where we are taken to the home of Rachel North on Sunday 10th July 2005 (p 69 - 72). It is not clear what the point of this is given that she had no direct connection to the bus bomb. North's only other appearance in the book is on p 228 when she confirms that the bandaged man referred to earlier was photographed near to Russell Square. North dissents strongly from Obachike's view that Hasib Hussain was not on the bus and that MI5 carried out the explosion, so it is very odd that she has not dissociated herself publicly from "The 4th Bomb". [update 31/10/07: See comments]

 

On p 157, Obachike claims that he has a photograph from the Internet of Christian Small lying dead in Tavistock Square, but he does not appear to have published this on his web site. The photograph would confirm Obachike's claim that Small was still alive ten minutes after the underground explosions (p 12). It is the only evidence "The 4th Bomb" provides that Small was on the number 30 bus as Obachike does not claim to have seen him board the bus. From this, it can be inferred that Small was among the three or four people who boarded the bus before Obachike (p 94). However, if Obachike did not see Small board the bus it must therefore be a possibility that Obachike also missed Hasib Hussain boarding the bus, and therefore Obachike cannot state with the absolute certainty that he does that Hussain was not on the bus.

 

Obachike wonders whether there is a link to Simon Murden, who was inexplicably shot dead by police in March 2005 in Yorkshire (p 195). This is an excellent observation. Like Small, Murden was by all accounts a young man of outstanding character, and had spent time doing charitable work in Ghana. Obachike points out that one of the defendants in the 21st July 2005 trial used the name of the son of a Ghanaian official (p 196).

 

Obachike claims that Brian Downer, a mutual friend of himself and Christian Small, had informed him that Small's car had been found parked at Kings Cross (p 197). This contradicts the statement made by Small's father that the car was found parked at Blackhorse Road underground station.

 

The July 7th Truth Campaign has attempted to contact the Njoya Foundation to ask its opinion of Obachike's claims about Christian Small, to whom "The 4th Bomb" is dedicated, but has received no response.

 

The police finally took a statement from Obachike after he applied for compensation (p 215). This is interesting because initially passengers on the bus were not included in the list of those eligible for compensation by the Criminal Injuries and Compensation Authority (section 16).

 

Inevitably, "The 4th Bomb" discusses the bus witness who featured most prominently in the media immediately after the explosion, Richard Jones. Obachike says that Jones was not on the bus at all, and that he has found evidence which corroborates this claim. This is a video clip of some survivors of the Piccadilly line explosion being interviewed. In the background, a man who looks very much like Richard Jones is seen crossing the street, walking in a direction that is away from Euston station. Obachike claims that the video clip is at 9:25am (p 230), but there is no evidence for that time. Even so, it adds significantly to the doubts about the credibility of the testimony given by Richard Jones, itself easily called into question on the basis that the man he describes seeing does not match the appearance of Hasib Hussain in the one CCTV image released that purports to show him at King's Cross station on the morning of 7th July 2005.

 

Obachike explains how he believes the explosion was carried out on p 224. He claims that the two cars he saw delaying the bus did so because the mobile phone network was down; they moved out of the way once the network was up again. When the bus reached Tavistock Square, a mobile phone signal triggered a bomb that had been left on the bus by an MI5 operative who had got off minutes before (p 19, p 225). Obachike claims that a report in the Daily Express of 8th July 2005 carried a police statement confirming that the mobile phone network had been down. This Daily Express report cannot be found on the Internet, nor can the police statement. Other press reports on 8th July 2005 state that the mobile phone network was not down. The Greater London Assembly report (sections 3.11 and 3.12) states that the only time the network was down was for about four hours between noon and 4:45pm (within a 1 km radius of Aldgate station, at the request of the City of London police). The evidence therefore seems to be against Obachike's theory.

 

Throughout "The 4th Bomb" episodes of suspected surveillance are recounted. There is no way of telling whether these suspicions were well grounded or not, so the book as a whole would probably have been more convincing without them.

 

Overall, the discrepancies in "The 4th Bomb" are of such a magnitude that Obachike's main claims must be regarded as unsubstantiated. Unlike the government, which utterly refuses to answer any questions about its blatantly flawed official narrative, Obachike has shown a willingness to engage with those who have questioned his story. He expresses appreciation for such truth-seekers in the Epilogue (p 242). This review is offered as further constructive criticism, in the hope that Obachike will clarify the contentious issues that have been raised

[jaggafeen 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw4roKwMeaU

[scothunter 12,609]

yea ive seen most of the BS there plenty proof that it was them and the only proof you provide is the same shit that is on youtube,by people who always look for an alterior motive.frankly i find all that a slap in the face to all those people who died that day/im suprised your not saying it was a controlled exposion aswell.so the guy who taught them their flying lessons and was lying also the innocent people on the planes who made calls to their loved ones saying goodbye to their kids and wifes and explaining what was happening,guess they just made uthat up aswell.

[scothunter 12,609]

Conspiracy theories to me are a tool used by smug people to try and make themselves appear superior.

 

exactly thank you my friend not only smug but f*****g need to get a life

[jaggafeen 1]

your insults are a pathetic response,there is no proof that muslims carried out 9/11 or 7/7.Show me the evidence

 

you can keep your head in the sand the truth will come out one day

 

as for those who want to wipeout the taliban you wont do it from behind your keyboard why dont you join the army and go find out whose foot the boot is on

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[scothunter 12,609]

your insults are a pathetic response,there is no proof that muslims carried out 9/11 or 7/7.Show me the evidence

 

you can keep your head in the sand the truth will come out one day

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oh it was muslims alright.

as i have said the people that were actually there on the planes (in the front line if you wanna call that) were describing to there family what was happening i listened to the tapes. are you saying they were lying? i think they would know what was real and not some speculation.to me thats the major flaw in your theory.

 

oh and now your saying london bombings were not what was presumed.people like you trully sicken me.im sorry if you feel im comming across bit strong here.but that really pisses me off big time.why sully the memory of people killed in terrorist attacks.

 

bit old for joining the army now and tbh dont rally wanna.oh and if you admire the taliban so much and think their rights are being steeped on.well go f*****g live with them.im sure they will welcome you with open arms

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[shepp 2,285]

your insults are a pathetic response,there is no proof that muslims carried out 9/11 or 7/7.Show me the evidence

 

you can keep your head in the sand the truth will come out one day

 

as for those who want to wipeout the taliban you wont do it from behind your keyboard why dont you join the army and go find out whose foot the boot is on

 

Your bullshit just feeds the cause, for the brain washed inbreds that pollute this country, such as the 7/7 bombers.

 

You could well be one yourself.

Edited September 18, 2010 by shepp

[jaggafeen 1]

The last time the british invaded afghanistan was during the empire of Queen Victoria and every british soldier was wiped out.

 

Fearing Russian encroachment on India from the north, in 1839 it was decided to oust the incumbent Emir of Kabul and replace him with a puppet potentate. The Army of the Indus rolled in for what was expected to be a simple exercise in regime change: 9,500 soldiers of the Bengal Army, 9,000 Bombay or native troops under the once and future Afghan king Shah Shujah, and 38,000 followers. One brigadier needed 60 camels just to carry his personal belongings. Another took a pack of foxhounds. It was, said one observer, a “grand military promenade”. It was also a major gambit in what Kipling dubbed the Great Game, and it was an unmitigated disaster.

 

The first dangerous passage Elphinstone's troops had to face was the Khord-Kabul pass, 15 miles (24 km) from Kabul. Instead of hurrying and securing the pass, Elphinstone ordered a rest after covering just 6 miles (9.7 km). Any effort to maintain military organization on the retreat failed. It was so slow that it was two o'clock in the morning before the last reached the resting place. This gave the Afghans the opportunity to seize the pass themselves.

 

When the British laboured up the narrow pass the next day, they were shot at from all sides by Ghilzais armed with the captured British muskets and their traditional jezails. By the evening of 9 January, around 3,000 of Elphinstone's column had died; frozen to death or been shot, and in some cases they had committed suicide. The column had moved only 10 miles (16 km). A few hundred soldiers deserted and tried to return to Kabul, but none were spared by the Afghans. Elphinstone had ceased giving any orders and sat silently on his horse. On the evening of 11 January, Lady Sale and other officers' wives gave themselves up and accepted being taken hostage by Akbar Khan, whom they mistrusted deeply. All the Indian servants and wives of sepoys were massacred, as they promised no ransom.

 

On the same day Akbar Khan persuaded Elphinstone and his second in command, Brigadier Shelton, to also become hostages. It was a uniquely degrading act in British military history, that senior officers surrendered to save their lives, while their soldiers had to struggle on and face almost certain death. Elphinstone died on 23 April as a captive.

 

On 12 January the remaining troops, now led by Brigadier Thomas John Anquetil, reached the Jugdulluk crest, only to find it blocked by tribesmen. A desperate attack was mounted but only a few soldiers, mostly of the 44th Regiment of Foot, overcame the obstruction. All others were left for dead. The remnants dragged on and made a last stand near the village of Gandamack on 13 January. The force was down to fewer than forty men and almost out of food and ammunition. They were surrounded on a hillock and when a surrender was offered by the Afghans, one British sergeant gave the famous answer "Not bloody likely!" All were killed except Captain James Souter, Sergeant Fair and seven soldiers who were taken prisoner.[5]

 

Only one man from the army managed to reach Jalalabad.The Afghans said that he had been allowed to survive as a warning to the foreign invader: leave, and never return. On 13 January, William Brydon, an assistant surgeon, rode through the gate on his exhausted horse. Part of his skull was sheared off by a sword. An Afghan shepherd had granted him refuge and, when the shooting was over, put him on his horse. It is said that he was asked upon arrival what happened to the army, and answered "I am the army." Brydon later published a memoir of the death march.

 

 

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