friendly debate

[NATACC 18]

why are too many sub standard lurchers being bred? regardless of what you work your dogs im trying not to be to specific for obvious reasons. people go on about breeding dogs after a few seasons of hard work well why cant we have worked them on all quarry if they dont take all quarry then dont breed even if you only work rabbits. why does the all round lurcher have to be a myth why cant all lurchers be all rounders it doesnt mean you personnally have to work them that way but if someone else buys one at least they know it does the job. ive wasted too much money and been too naive but i wont be anymore i know what i want and will strive for it even if it takes time.i put a lot of work into my pups read all the books and give my dogs every opportunity when there ready but all ive had is failure.[ i dont have the luxury of a seasoned veteran to show the pup the way is that the problem id like some feed back on that]so back to the question why are people breeding below par dogs?

[watchman 256]

there's probably more"below par owners" than there is dogs,just a thought

[Ideation 8,216]

Standards are subjective. Also if i had two dogs that were absolutly outstanding on rabbits and i wanted a pup for rabbiting i wouldnt not breed them because they hadnt taken fox . . . . . .. i'd be breeding for myself and as long as no lies are told as to what the parents can do. . . . .. whats he problem. I don't understand how so many people have pups and they fail totally. As long as you get a pup from two good proven workers, even if its no world beater it really shouldnt be useless. . . . . . i think it takes a lot to breed a totally useless running dog. . . . . . . . 99% of the time this uselessness is down to mistakes made by the owner / trainer. . . . .. try as they might many people are just not men with dogs. . . . . .not dog men.

[sighthound1811 6]

Standards are subjective. Also if i had two dogs that were absolutly outstanding on rabbits and i wanted a pup for rabbiting i wouldnt not breed them because they hadnt taken fox . . . . . .. i'd be breeding for myself and as long as no lies are told as to what the parents can do. . . . .. whats he problem. I don't understand how so many people have pups and they fail totally. As long as you get a pup from two good proven workers, even if its no world beater it really shouldnt be useless. . . . . . i think it takes a lot to breed a totally useless running dog. . . . . . . . 99% of the time this uselessness is down to mistakes made by the owner / trainer. . . . .. try as they might many people are just not men with dogs. . . . . .not dog men.

as above...if you want an all rounder then get a dog off parents who take all quarry..but some lads are only in for rabbits..nothing else..not trying to start an arguement but not everyone wants an all rounder ..atb,..chris..

[nasher1 258]

why are too many sub standard lurchers being bred? regardless of what you work your dogs im trying not to be to specific for obvious reasons. people go on about breeding dogs after a few seasons of hard work well why cant we have worked them on all quarry if they dont take all quarry then dont breed even if you only work rabbits. why does the all round lurcher have to be a myth why cant all lurchers be all rounders it doesnt mean you personnally have to work them that way but if someone else buys one at least they know it does the job. ive wasted too much money and been too naive but i wont be anymore i know what i want and will strive for it even if it takes time.i put a lot of work into my pups read all the books and give my dogs every opportunity when there ready but all ive had is failure.[ i dont have the luxury of a seasoned veteran to show the pup the way is that the problem id like some feed back on that]so back to the question why are people breeding below par dogs?

Every dog is different, you can get most dogs up to a certain standard, if you are looking for the perfect animal then it might take up your whole life some dogs just have something missing, Ive got a bitch now whos defenitley got a few screws loose but she excells at a few things, how many pups have you had and why are they failiures please tell you have grabbed my interest

[morton 5,368]

Some peoples expectations are set to high,usually by listening to other peoples half truths. Theres plenty of decent allrounders about,theres even more rubbish,pick through the chaff,believe only what you see.

[undisputed 1,664]

The "all rounder" of old would be expected to take fur & feather, work long nets and mark warrens work up fields to find quarry work the lamp etc. There aint many work their dogs to that standard anymore as it takes years. Most folk these days judge lurcher's on their kill ratio and nothing else. The term "all rounder" is banded about to easily IMO far to many dogs not allowed to reach their potential because their owner doesn't have a clue.

[Leeview 791]

Some peoples expectations are set to high,usually by listening to other peoples half truths. Theres plenty of decent allrounders about,theres even more rubbish,pick through the chaff,believe only what you see.

IMHO some peoples standards are not high enough and breed for the wrong reason, because they can and the ££££££££ signs

There is good dogs about but not plenty IMHO and where does the rubbish come from?(go back to my 1st line) "believe only what you see" again and again not just once

Y.I.S Leeview

[RossM 8,149]

The "all rounder" of old would be expected to take fur & feather, work long nets and mark warrens work up fields to find quarry work the lamp etc. There aint many work their dogs to that standard anymore as it takes years. Most folk these days judge lurcher's on their kill ratio and nothing else. The term "all rounder" is banded about to easily IMO far to many dogs not allowed to reach their potential because their owner doesn't have a clue.

 

 

well said, my dogs are by no means world beaters i have seen dogs better than them, but they do me proud, sure they have their flaws but nothing too major, i can safely say that preban, i could go out with the dogs and point them at different types of quarry and get a result, not have a "type" for rabbits a "type" for hares, a "type" for fox and a "type" for deer, one "type" of dog for all.

[romany52 313]

I've had all rounders, good at everything, top class at nothing. Why shouldn't folk specialise. An all rounder will never be a better hare dog than a single handed hare specialist and likewise a single hand fox specialist. It's like a pentathlete, good at everything, brilliant at nothing. Horses for courses, you need to seek out what you want.

Edited September 10, 2010 by romany52

[staffs riffraff 1,068]

good post romany

[matmorgan 49]

why are too many sub standard lurchers being bred? regardless of what you work your dogs im trying not to be to specific for obvious reasons. people go on about breeding dogs after a few seasons of hard work well why cant we have worked them on all quarry if they dont take all quarry then dont breed even if you only work rabbits. why does the all round lurcher have to be a myth why cant all lurchers be all rounders it doesnt mean you personnally have to work them that way but if someone else buys one at least they know it does the job. ive wasted too much money and been too naive but i wont be anymore i know what i want and will strive for it even if it takes time.i put a lot of work into my pups read all the books and give my dogs every opportunity when there ready but all ive had is failure.[ i dont have the luxury of a seasoned veteran to show the pup the way is that the problem id like some feed back on that]so back to the question why are people breeding below par dogs?

jack of all trades master of none

[honesthunter 13]

In theory the idea is great, but then you wouldn't have a lurcher would you? because if they all did the same thing surely eventually it would get standardised and become a breed rather than a type, I think half the magic of lurcherwork is the sheer range of ability and general difference in all the dogs, everyone has their favourite cross, some people have amazing dogs and some people have shit ones, some people can bring a dog on perfectly, with timing and precision, and others will just lob the dog at stuff and hope it gets a kill. the best bred dog can turn out shite with terrible handling, and a well entered pet lurcher could turn into something pretty decent. where would the fun be if everything was a guarantee? you would go out with someone and their dog and there would be none of that 'I'm looking forward to seeing your dog work because I have heard good things' because all the dogs would do exactly the same and you would know how it was going to perform. I know that is a simplification of it but its basically true, saying that you want all lurchers to be all rounders is like saying all humans should be super athletic geniuses. I can see the logic but it is flawed.

 

wide variety can hardly be considered a bad thing, its just either shite luck that all your dogs have turned out as failures, or you are doing something wrong. (since all dogs of all working breeds have the capacity to be put to work with really great expert handling, (perhaps another slight simplification/generalisation) I'm temped to believe the latter, no offence meant).

[rogue 9]

why are too many sub standard lurchers being bred? regardless of what you work your dogs im trying not to be to specific for obvious reasons. people go on about breeding dogs after a few seasons of hard work well why cant we have worked them on all quarry if they dont take all quarry then dont breed even if you only work rabbits. why does the all round lurcher have to be a myth why cant all lurchers be all rounders it doesnt mean you personnally have to work them that way but if someone else buys one at least they know it does the job. ive wasted too much money and been too naive but i wont be anymore i know what i want and will strive for it even if it takes time.i put a lot of work into my pups read all the books and give my dogs every opportunity when there ready but all ive had is failure.[ i dont have the luxury of a seasoned veteran to show the pup the way is that the problem id like some feed back on that]so back to the question why are people breeding below par dogs?

how old have these dogs been before uve descided there not goin to be an all round lurcher?? it can take a good few seasons before [bANNED TEXT] can realy say they got an all round lurcher..maybe u are being a bit hasty jmo.

[Trigger 26]

The "all rounder" of old would be expected to take fur & feather, work long nets and mark warrens work up fields to find quarry work the lamp etc. There aint many work their dogs to that standard anymore as it takes years. Most folk these days judge lurcher's on their kill ratio and nothing else. The term "all rounder" is banded about to easily IMO far to many dogs not allowed to reach their potential because their owner doesn't have a clue.