pre ban brown in scotland

[feed the bear 13]

i would also gladly take anyone with a fen dog out up hear ftb to see there so called hare dog's run,as they also could take my dog out on the fen's and it wouldn't do the job this is turned into a slagging match when it was just a question on what breed is more suited atb...

 

OK mate, its your thread and your right, it has turned into a slagging match. All the best with your dogs mate.

[Simoman 110]

I don't own hare dogs and never have, there not my bag, I have seen dogs run in Caithness, down south and here in Lincolnshire and in my opinion the fen hares are the best. I beleieve this is due to the running conditions, diet available to the hare and the fact that have been run for that long that all the weak stock has been thinned out. Just an opinion like............

[feed the bear 13]

I don't own hare dogs and never have, there not my bag, I have seen dogs run in Caithness, down south and here in Lincolnshire and in my opinion the fen hares are the best. I beleieve this is due to the running conditions, diet available to the hare and the fact that have been run for that long that all the weak stock has been thinned out. Just an opinion like............

 

Hmmmmmmm..... interesting Can I ask you why you think the fen hares that you saw getting run were the best? Was it because it took the dog an age to catch them? You say its due to the running conditions, how does that make them a better hare? Surely a hare which exists on hilly ground is going to be fitter than one that has never seen a hill. You mention diet, what food source is different on the fens compared to the rest of the country. As for them being run that long it has thinned out all the weak, don't fall into the trap that hare coursing only existed on the advent of the camcorder. Scottish hares have been run just as hard for centuries, away back when the fens were nothing more than a sea bed. You run rabbits, what kills off the most weak rabbits in an area, a good dog or a harsh winter? Scottish hares/rabbits survive a lot worse weather than their english counterparts..... I know it's just your opinion but this is a debating arena where opinons are here to be debated so I hope you don't take offence (like every other c**t does) when your opinion is questioned.

[Simoman 110]

No offence at all, healthy debate is good. I believe that fen hares benefit from the varied diet grown down here, we have thousands of acres of beet, carrots, cabbages, pumpkins and various other veg along with conventional crops that I beleieve increase the hares athletic ability (I could be totally wrong). Also I would say that people from all over the country were flocking to the fens each week to run the hares and any sub standard hares were quickly taken and only the best survived to breed. In regard to the conditions I meant that a lot of the fens are open with cover dotted here and there and dykes so the hare has to run using all its speed, stamina and fieldcraft to escape.......

[feed the bear 13]

No offence at all, healthy debate is good. I believe that fen hares benefit from the varied diet grown down here, we have thousands of acres of beet, carrots, cabbages, pumpkins and various other veg along with conventional crops that I beleieve increase the hares athletic ability (I could be totally wrong). Also I would say that people from all over the country were flocking to the fens each week to run the hares and any sub standard hares were quickly taken and only the best survived to breed. In regard to the conditions I meant that a lot of the fens are open with cover dotted here and there and dykes so the hare has to run using all its speed, stamina and fieldcraft to escape.......

 

Well put and you may be right.

[saluki bouy 697]

just to jump on this band wagon. ive a 3/4 saluki 1/4 greyhound bitch 23 24 inchs tts and no ive never ran on the fens but up here are big fields are small compared to the fens . shes in no way a plodder maybe thats due to the fact she learnt that the humble rabbit had to be taken a quick as possible before she got to the warren so she was dynamite when it came to her first hare thinking it would do one to. So what i am trying to say is yes in the desert the saluki is used for huge land and on the fens its huge land to. my little bitch is bred for the fens but was brought up in rough country running hundreds of rabbits ferreted bushing and on the lamp before she seen her first blue hares on heather and moorland then brown hares in our small fields and and where they are to be found on the borders of the moorland and she has excelled and is no way a plodder maybe because shes learnt that if she not right on them the next ridge next dyke the next time she loose contact with her eyes then it could be away by the time she runs the scent

[runforyourlife 361]

i would also gladly take anyone with a fen dog out up hear ftb to see there so called hare dog's run,as they also could take my dog out on the fen's and it wouldn't do the job this is turned into a slagging match when it was just a question on what breed is more suited atb...

 

 

 

I to would,(and have asked, but nothing materialized, and the ones who real know, just say, they wouldnt run em on that ground) but i dont even live in scotland, but i'd still stomp them to ground that their dogs would struggle to exercise on, never mind nail an ear(preban)..

 

I must say, the point about their diet has always been debated, and yes i feel that is quite true, and a very good reason for them being some of the strongest hares in the country and have been known for this over many years.... Are the hares on the fens stronger than the hares at and around york? Good sized fields with good source of food....

 

 

I also think that alot of the things spoken about the scottish hare, isnt put into proportion. The lowlands of scotland and the middle reaches are not very much different from the majority of england.... (just nowhere near as many barbed wire fences).. The Highlands however are a different place altogether... Their are places were my father walks to , to do his monroe bagging, which take you 2 days to walk to, before you even start. The hares out thier are phenomally big and plentyful, strong and live in a very very harsh enviroment.... When these have been run by the band of hare men, then they can really compare the fen hare with the scottish hare...

[sugarplums 27]

I have ran hares from just outside london to Perth , with fen bred dogs

FECK ME THAT WAS A LONG COURSE

[billy bronk 76]

I have ran hares from just outside london to Perth , with fen bred dogs

FECK ME THAT WAS A LONG COURSE

sugarplums are they sugarcoated plums

[toby1066 413]

I have ran hares from just outside london to Perth , with fen bred dogs

FECK ME THAT WAS A LONG COURSE

 

[ROBERTO M 350]

feed the bear

 

what dogs do you run and can your dogs kill hares on the land you think our dogs cant ?????

[Bosun11 537]

Ok here's my two penneth worth....

Once opon a time I owned a lurcher to lurcher bred critter called Jake at 25" he had a drop of everythin in him, with a good dash of Saluki for good measure.

Now Jake could kill hares, his usual grounds were the hallowed turf of Altcar estate. I'd never class him as a hare dog though he had taken up to three daytime on Altcar, to me, he was just a knockabout allrounder, that I rated as a decent fox killer on the lamp.

Young back then (and living in a 'better' world!) I ran him daytime on hares from Cornwall, Wales, the Fens, the Lakes and in Scotland, from the lowlands of Hawick and up around Inverness, we went as far as Caithness once.

 

He killed hares daytime in all those places, (edited to add, he missed plenty too), nowt special, just one's and two's but he never recieved any serious injury doin it and I can't recall if there was any difference in the dog's style of running, other than the terrain (if that makes sense?), it was just Jake killing a hare..!

The point i'm trying to make is that a decent, average size, speedy type lurcher, if experienced enough and run regular on all sorts of terrain, will match up to the ground its running on. Jake ran daytime, lamped, worked with ferrets & terriers, ratted and took feather (the only mutt i've owned that did!) He was no great shakes but he knew his job.... Anywhere!

[runforyourlife 361]

Ok here's my two penneth worth....

Once opon a time I owned a lurcher to lurcher bred critter called Jake at 25" he had a drop of everythin in him, with a good dash of Saluki for good measure.

Now Jake could kill hares, his usual grounds were the hallowed turf of Altcar estate. I'd never class him as a hare dog though he had taken up to three daytime on Altcar, to me, he was just a knockabout allrounder, that I rated as a decent fox killer on the lamp.

Young back then (and living in a 'better' world!) I ran him daytime on hares from Cornwall, Wales, the Fens, the Lakes and in Scotland, from the lowlands of Hawick and up around Inverness, we went as far as Caithness once.

 

He killed hares daytime in all those places, (edited to add, he missed plenty too), nowt special, just one's and two's but he never recieved any serious injury doin it and I can't recall if there was any difference in the dog's style of running, other than the terrain (if that makes sense?), it was just Jake killing a hare..!

The point i'm trying to make is that a decent, average size, speedy type lurcher, if experienced enough and run regular on all sorts of terrain, will match up to the ground its running on. Jake ran daytime, lamped, worked with ferrets & terriers, ratted and took feather (the only mutt i've owned that did!) He was no great shakes but he knew his job.... Anywhere!

 

 

 

Sorry mate but the dog you have just discribed, to me sounds like the " one dog of a life time". And you seem to be pretty brasay about it. Did you not realise what you had? A dog of such capabilities like that doesnt come around that often. Dont tell me you have had better all rounders since, cause if you have, i want to see it work....The only thing you didnt mention was "deer" how did it fair on them?

 

Like you said he had a bit of everything in him, which made him the allrounder he was, not just a fen dog, but enough speed and brain to run them, yet enough balls and ruggedness to cope with the slope and scree's of mountain sides....

[whin 463]

never heard so much nonsense a good dog man gets a dog to siut the land either breeding it or getting it of carefully bred stock ive been lucky to live and hunted hares since kids as therre were no rabbits at one time . and having hunted them 30 yers of and on ,and been lucky to get a good few , hare some land suits the qaurry not the dog some land suits the dog , some dogs are bred better ive had collie types to slo on land localy and had other types well fast enough and just [bANNED TEXT] as they say but a good dash of well bred saluk type in a dog will do it no harm for running hares etc when it was all legal, to me a test is BIG WINTER WHEA FEILD A WOOD OR COVER A GOD BIT AWAY AND THE DOG HAS TO CATCH IT BEFORE IT MAKES COVER THTAS THE MARKOF A GOOD RUNNING DOG ,NOW A MOUCHING HUNTING DOG IS ADIFFRENT KETTLE OF FISH THTAS SEMI RUNNNG AND HUNTING I LIKE BOTH KEEP BOTH ,and never diss either , horses for courses as they say , a plodder is no good to me but neither is aspeed merchant with no brain i like adog that uses the angles to suit and its speed ,breeding alone and singly out on his own learns them that nothing better than agood sized feils and watching apair of adveraries trying to do there thing one escaping other catching the dinner

[runforyourlife 361]

never heard so much nonsense a good dog man gets a dog to siut the land either breeding it or getting it of carefully bred stock ive been lucky to live and hunted hares since kids as therre were no rabbits at one time . and having hunted them 30 yers of and on ,and been lucky to get a good few , hare some land suits the qaurry not the dog some land suits the dog , some dogs are bred better ive had collie types to slo on land localy and had other types well fast enough and just [bANNED TEXT] as they say but a good dash of well bred saluk type in a dog will do it no harm for running hares etc when it was all legal, to me a test is BIG WINTER WHEA FEILD A WOOD OR COVER A GOD BIT AWAY AND THE DOG HAS TO CATCH IT BEFORE IT MAKES COVER THTAS THE MARKOF A GOOD RUNNING DOG ,NOW A MOUCHING HUNTING DOG IS ADIFFRENT KETTLE OF FISH THTAS SEMI RUNNNG AND HUNTING I LIKE BOTH KEEP BOTH ,and never diss either , horses for courses as they say , a plodder is no good to me but neither is aspeed merchant with no brain i like adog that uses the angles to suit and its speed ,breeding alone and singly out on his own learns them that nothing better than agood sized feils and watching apair of adveraries trying to do there thing one escaping other catching the dinner

 

 

so what you saying, you have just said the same thing as everyone else has been saying.... you just repeated it all...