pre ban brown in scotland

[Bosun11 537]

Ok here's my two penneth worth....

Once opon a time I owned a lurcher to lurcher bred critter called Jake at 25" he had a drop of everythin in him, with a good dash of Saluki for good measure.

Now Jake could kill hares, his usual grounds were the hallowed turf of Altcar estate. I'd never class him as a hare dog though he had taken up to three daytime on Altcar, to me, he was just a knockabout allrounder, that I rated as a decent fox killer on the lamp.

Young back then (and living in a 'better' world!) I ran him daytime on hares from Cornwall, Wales, the Fens, the Lakes and in Scotland, from the lowlands of Hawick and up around Inverness, we went as far as Caithness once.

 

He killed hares daytime in all those places, (edited to add, he missed plenty too), nowt special, just one's and two's but he never recieved any serious injury doin it and I can't recall if there was any difference in the dog's style of running, other than the terrain (if that makes sense?), it was just Jake killing a hare..!

The point i'm trying to make is that a decent, average size, speedy type lurcher, if experienced enough and run regular on all sorts of terrain, will match up to the ground its running on. Jake ran daytime, lamped, worked with ferrets & terriers, ratted and took feather (the only mutt i've owned that did!) He was no great shakes but he knew his job.... Anywhere!

 

 

 

Sorry mate but the dog you have just discribed, to me sounds like the " one dog of a life time". And you seem to be pretty brasay about it. Did you not realise what you had? A dog of such capabilities like that doesnt come around that often. Dont tell me you have had better all rounders since, cause if you have, i want to see it work....The only thing you didnt mention was "deer" how did it fair on them?

 

Like you said he had a bit of everything in him, which made him the allrounder he was, not just a fen dog, but enough speed and brain to run them, yet enough balls and ruggedness to cope with the slope and scree's of mountain sides....

 

No mate, sorry but the dog I described was a good 'average' dog. If that dog to you was 'your dog of a lifetime', then good for you, he wasn't mine!

 

These days, on here especially, a dog that catches a few hares and a bit of other stuff is considered a world beater, christ, do you think that only fen dogs kill fen hares? Real fen dogs are specialists and their style of running sets them apart. Just because he killed a fen hare dosen't make him a fen dog!!! In the late 's, I along with the lads I ran with, 'expected' a good lurcher to kill hares daytime. Not in any number and NO, Jake was certainly no 'Fen Dog' but he killed a couple there daytime, as he cought a few elswhere and thats my point!!

As for the other work he did, I kept both terriers and ferrets at the time, so he would be out with them too, plus the fact that in my youth I was determined to work my dogs in all the places i'd ever heard of. Oh, and deer, well thats between me an Jake.

Just to finish, yep, i've had better dogs since.

[feed the bear 13]

feed the bear

 

what dogs do you run and can your dogs kill hares on the land you think our dogs cant ?????

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I sense your warming to the idea of old bear feeder here taking you out for a stroll on a frost moor ain't ya mate??? Don't you worry, I'll show you dogs catching on the ground before your precious ones get made an ars errrr get allowed to show their ability... BTW, don't worry about what I run mate, I ain't the one giving it large....

[shadrack 31]

feed the bear

 

what dogs do you run and can your dogs kill hares on the land you think our dogs cant ?????

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I sense your warming to the idea of old bear feeder here taking you out for a stroll on a frost moor ain't ya mate??? Don't you worry, I'll show you dogs catching on the ground before your precious ones get made an ars errrr get allowed to show their ability... BTW, don't worry about what I run mate, I ain't the one giving it large....

feed the bear i take u up on it .i will come and run you on your land best ov 3 or 4 then you come and run me on my land best of 3 or 4 . just out of intrest to see wat hapens . i run the big land boston sleford scuny exec pm me

[runforyourlife 361]

Ok here's my two penneth worth....

Once opon a time I owned a lurcher to lurcher bred critter called Jake at 25" he had a drop of everythin in him, with a good dash of Saluki for good measure.

Now Jake could kill hares, his usual grounds were the hallowed turf of Altcar estate. I'd never class him as a hare dog though he had taken up to three daytime on Altcar, to me, he was just a knockabout allrounder, that I rated as a decent fox killer on the lamp.

Young back then (and living in a 'better' world!) I ran him daytime on hares from Cornwall, Wales, the Fens, the Lakes and in Scotland, from the lowlands of Hawick and up around Inverness, we went as far as Caithness once.

 

He killed hares daytime in all those places, (edited to add, he missed plenty too), nowt special, just one's and two's but he never recieved any serious injury doin it and I can't recall if there was any difference in the dog's style of running, other than the terrain (if that makes sense?), it was just Jake killing a hare..!

The point i'm trying to make is that a decent, average size, speedy type lurcher, if experienced enough and run regular on all sorts of terrain, will match up to the ground its running on. Jake ran daytime, lamped, worked with ferrets & terriers, ratted and took feather (the only mutt i've owned that did!) He was no great shakes but he knew his job.... Anywhere!

 

 

 

Sorry mate but the dog you have just discribed, to me sounds like the " one dog of a life time". And you seem to be pretty brasay about it. Did you not realise what you had? A dog of such capabilities like that doesnt come around that often. Dont tell me you have had better all rounders since, cause if you have, i want to see it work....The only thing you didnt mention was "deer" how did it fair on them?

 

Like you said he had a bit of everything in him, which made him the allrounder he was, not just a fen dog, but enough speed and brain to run them, yet enough balls and ruggedness to cope with the slope and scree's of mountain sides....

 

No mate, sorry but the dog I described was a good 'average' dog. If that dog to you was 'your dog of a lifetime', then good for you, he wasn't mine!

 

These days, on here especially, a dog that catches a few hares and a bit of other stuff is considered a world beater, christ, do you think that only fen dogs kill fen hares? Real fen dogs are specialists and their style of running sets them apart. Just because he killed a fen hare dosen't make him a fen dog!!! In the late 's, I along with the lads I ran with, 'expected' a good lurcher to kill hares daytime. Not in any number and NO, Jake was certainly no 'Fen Dog' but he killed a couple there daytime, as he cought a few elswhere and thats my point!!

As for the other work he did, I kept both terriers and ferrets at the time, so he would be out with them too, plus the fact that in my youth I was determined to work my dogs in all the places i'd ever heard of. Oh, and deer, well thats between me an Jake.

Just to finish, yep, i've had better dogs since.

 

 

 

your a lucky man then. I dont even run the fens, so i dont think anything about the dogs that do them.. T hta is exactly what i said at the beginning, they specialize on the fens... You decribed a dog that can do absloutly anything, had brains. And you have better.. Do you have better now, cause i am looking for a dog to put over my bitch, which isnt far from the dog described. Been into all the lines, and have had some good offers but i really would like to know more about the dogs you own mate. can you pm me...

[wass1985 0]

in my eyes saluki crosses do very well on rough terrain, there loose running style can cope where other crosses suffer.

[bendrover 556]

in my eyes saluki crosses do very well on rough terrain, there loose running style can cope where other crosses suffer.

in the days where hare coursing was legal,people bred running dogs to suit the ground they ran.i have to admit there are areas where the hares were not at the athletic standards of other areas sometimes not that far apart.you can all argue that this type of dog can beat that kind.BUT over all a good local dog up here should beat a fenland bred running dog in the short feilds we run in scotland ,and vice versa.if you disagree then take up the challenges and find out.MAY THE SCOTTISH DOGS WIN,

[J Darcy 5,871]

Now i don't want to stir up the ashes but i really do wonder what people think a "fen dog" is. From the dogs i have seen that can kill hares on the Fens regularlly these dogs are often fast enough to kill them anywhere. Believe me, the Fenland hares have been heavily coursed for over four decades and this is why, IMO, they are a superior athelete to many other hares. Some i have seen have been fliers. It's "natural selection" by running dog, only the very strongest survive. This is why the top lads , who have run everywhere, say that the bigger the land the better the hare.

The saluki hybrid has some of the best feet you can get, IMO the higher % of saluki in the melting pot, the better its feet are. Not too long ago i watched a bitch course a hare down the full length of a gravel road. Road with stones and debris littering its length. After a good number of turns and wrenches on and off the road the hare was finally taken and i ran over to inspect the dogs feet. In my head i have visions of toe-carnage. But apart from a slight graze there was nothing. The dog went on to have further runs too that day.

Now i do appreciate this thread is refering to scotland, but this was just an example of the toughness of a good saluki hybrids feet. I am also of the opinion that once a coursing dog gains experience and starts to run with its brain and only run as fast as it needsto, then it will do as good as the next dog on any terrain.

I honestly think some need to get out a bit more, turn the PC off for a weekend and go and broaden their knowledge about certain types of running dogs. Theory and practice are two totally different animals.

Just a few thoughts of mine.

Good Hunting.JD

[shadrack 31]

feed the bear

 

what dogs do you run and can your dogs kill hares on the land you think our dogs cant ?????

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I sense your warming to the idea of old bear feeder here taking you out for a stroll on a frost moor ain't ya mate??? Don't you worry, I'll show you dogs catching on the ground before your precious ones get made an ars errrr get allowed to show their ability... BTW, don't worry about what I run mate, I ain't the one giving it large....

feed the bear i take u up on it .i will come and run you on your land best ov 3 or 4 then you come and run me on my land best of 3 or 4 . just out of intrest to see wat hapens . i run the big land boston sleford scuny exec pm me

[karlsberg 319]

i think fen dogs are poo

[ROBERTO M 350]

feed the bear

 

what dogs do you run and can your dogs kill hares on the land you think our dogs cant ?????

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I sense your warming to the idea of old bear feeder here taking you out for a stroll on a frost moor ain't ya mate??? Don't you worry, I'll show you dogs catching on the ground before your precious ones get made an ars errrr get allowed to show their ability... BTW, don't worry about what I run mate, I ain't the one giving it large....

 

 

yr a clown , when have i give it large about my dogs , i just stated that hares north of the border were easy , your the one giving it large lol

[bendrover 556]

Now i don't want to stir up the ashes but i really do wonder what people think a "fen dog" is. From the dogs i have seen that can kill hares on the Fens regularlly these dogs are often fast enough to kill them anywhere. Believe me, the Fenland hares have been heavily coursed for over four decades and this is why, IMO, they are a superior athelete to many other hares. Some i have seen have been fliers. It's "natural selection" by running dog, only the very strongest survive. This is why the top lads , who have run everywhere, say that the bigger the land the better the hare.

The saluki hybrid has some of the best feet you can get, IMO the higher % of saluki in the melting pot, the better its feet are. Not too long ago i watched a bitch course a hare down the full length of a gravel road. Road with stones and debris littering its length. After a good number of turns and wrenches on and off the road the hare was finally taken and i ran over to inspect the dogs feet. In my head i have visions of toe-carnage. But apart from a slight graze there was nothing. The dog went on to have further runs too that day.

Now i do appreciate this thread is refering to scotland, but this was just an example of the toughness of a good saluki hybrids feet. I am also of the opinion that once a coursing dog gains experience and starts to run with its brain and only run as fast as it needsto, then it will do as good as the next dog on any terrain.

I honestly think some need to get out a bit more, turn the PC off for a weekend and go and broaden their knowledge about certain types of running dogs. Theory and practice are two totally different animals.

Just a few thoughts of mine.

Good Hunting.JD

the scottish lads are referring to triple wire fences,stone dyke walls ,thick high hedges and hares that are very well educated , due to the fact that us scotsmen do infact GET out there in the feild OFTEN. I have seen quite a few saluki drenched dogs not make the grade in this enviroment.no offence meant but as for turning off the pc mines was off and my dog WAS OUT TONIGHT ,WAS YOURS just an opinion of mine.atb Benny

[blacktabs 3]

Quote

I am also of the opinion that once a coursing dog gains experience and starts to run with its brain and only run as fast as it needsto, then it will do as good as the next dog on any terrain.

 

Best post on here for a bit theres a lot of generalising on this thread some of the saluki hybrids are very old strains of lurcher to lurcher bred best to best and with a good few other croses in them and well capable of running anywhere if they are brought up right.

Edited September 16, 2010 by blacktabs

[runforyourlife 361]

Now i don't want to stir up the ashes but i really do wonder what people think a "fen dog" is. From the dogs i have seen that can kill hares on the Fens regularlly these dogs are often fast enough to kill them anywhere. Believe me, the Fenland hares have been heavily coursed for over four decades and this is why, IMO, they are a superior athelete to many other hares. Some i have seen have been fliers. It's "natural selection" by running dog, only the very strongest survive. This is why the top lads , who have run everywhere, say that the bigger the land the better the hare.

The saluki hybrid has some of the best feet you can get, IMO the higher % of saluki in the melting pot, the better its feet are. Not too long ago i watched a bitch course a hare down the full length of a gravel road. Road with stones and debris littering its length. After a good number of turns and wrenches on and off the road the hare was finally taken and i ran over to inspect the dogs feet. In my head i have visions of toe-carnage. But apart from a slight graze there was nothing. The dog went on to have further runs too that day.

Now i do appreciate this thread is refering to scotland, but this was just an example of the toughness of a good saluki hybrids feet. I am also of the opinion that once a coursing dog gains experience and starts to run with its brain and only run as fast as it needsto, then it will do as good as the next dog on any terrain.

I honestly think some need to get out a bit more, turn the PC off for a weekend and go and broaden their knowledge about certain types of running dogs. Theory and practice are two totally different animals.

Just a few thoughts of mine.

Good Hunting.JD

the scottish lads are referring to triple wire fences,stone dyke walls ,thick high hedges and hares that are very well educated , due to the fact that us scotsmen do infact GET out there in the feild OFTEN. I have seen quite a few saluki drenched dogs not make the grade in this enviroment.no offence meant but as for turning off the pc mines was off and my dog WAS OUT TONIGHT ,WAS YOURS just an opinion of mine.atb Benny

 

 

hahaha, lol, thats funny.....

[bunks 4]

ive never seen these fen dog's hunt up put the hare up chase it through rashy parks over wall's and fence's ,or up and down hill's for that matter,there just walked into the field and slipped when the hare get's up,these dog's have all the time in the world to work there hare because there is very little if any obstacle's to tackle while in pursuit,im not sayimg that all saluki crosses are no good but all the bragged about fen dog's wouldn't do much up here,and the dog's people use round my area proabably wouldn't do down there,there's nothing wrong with a bit of saluki blood in a dog but to much up here is no good,i have never see one with good feet up here yet without stubb's or toe's been broken,and too much saluki in a dog make's them as thick as two plank's of wood,the question i asked at the start of the topic was what cross do u think would be better of suited up north,but the topic has been overturned into a argument about fen dog's atb ...

[J Darcy 5,871]

Now i don't want to stir up the ashes but i really do wonder what people think a "fen dog" is. From the dogs i have seen that can kill hares on the Fens regularlly these dogs are often fast enough to kill them anywhere. Believe me, the Fenland hares have been heavily coursed for over four decades and this is why, IMO, they are a superior athelete to many other hares. Some i have seen have been fliers. It's "natural selection" by running dog, only the very strongest survive. This is why the top lads , who have run everywhere, say that the bigger the land the better the hare.

The saluki hybrid has some of the best feet you can get, IMO the higher % of saluki in the melting pot, the better its feet are. Not too long ago i watched a bitch course a hare down the full length of a gravel road. Road with stones and debris littering its length. After a good number of turns and wrenches on and off the road the hare was finally taken and i ran over to inspect the dogs feet. In my head i have visions of toe-carnage. But apart from a slight graze there was nothing. The dog went on to have further runs too that day.

Now i do appreciate this thread is refering to scotland, but this was just an example of the toughness of a good saluki hybrids feet. I am also of the opinion that once a coursing dog gains experience and starts to run with its brain and only run as fast as it needsto, then it will do as good as the next dog on any terrain.

I honestly think some need to get out a bit more, turn the PC off for a weekend and go and broaden their knowledge about certain types of running dogs. Theory and practice are two totally different animals.

Just a few thoughts of mine.

Good Hunting.JD

the scottish lads are referring to triple wire fences,stone dyke walls ,thick high hedges and hares that are very well educated , due to the fact that us scotsmen do infact GET out there in the feild OFTEN. I have seen quite a few saluki drenched dogs not make the grade in this enviroment.no offence meant but as for turning off the pc mines was off and my dog WAS OUT TONIGHT ,WAS YOURS just an opinion of mine.atb Benny

 

 

My post was not aimed at you Bendrover. And just for the record i was out until 11.30 pm walking the fields. My little faithful friend at my side....