HARD but fast?

[Kye 77]

I know there are plenty of lads out there (before the ban of course!) who tested there dogs on hard quarry, buy that i mean quarry that can fight back. I know first cross Bull Greyhounds are hard and so on and so forth. But can you get a dog that is still hard enough to do a hard night/day of taking toothed critters, but still able to be fast enough for quarry that is fast like the hare etc? Theres no doubt that the Bull cross are game, but can they be game enough, yet still be fast enough for fast prey?...If so what cross, or percentage of cross would you say would fit the bill best, and why?...

Thanks.

Kye..

[Guest lurcherlad]

KYE WOTS THE PREY

[lucky 578]

i have a collie/bull/greyhound that is very fast and "hard" enough for all quarry is breeding is 3/4 greyhound 1/4 collie x 3/4 greyhound 1/4 bull.

i have had 3/8 5/8 bull greyhounds that were fast and very game aswell,and i think the 3/4 greyhound 1/4 bull crosses are also upto anything

 

this is my collie/bull/greyhound

[Kye 77]

The prey is Coyote...Nice pic Lucky.

With Coyotes, just imagine a animal slightly slower than a hare, but the same size (some times bigger) than a Collie. And yeah, they can fight a bit too!..lol.

Kye..

[Royston2 0]

In weight kye how big are these yote`s???

The one i see in ya garbage with the mrs was prety fecking big and i can imagine it taking quite a dog to do one :search:

[IanB 0]

What about the working stag hounds that are used at the minute kye, surely they can tackle yotes and jack rabbits.....or as it says in the title, is it difficult to find a hard and fast one...

[Kane 2]

When you breed bull/gryhounds IMHO its not just gameness you are breeding for but the strengh,power and bulk to use that gameness to its best advantage.You may find other types faster better runners possably even as game as bullxs but they wont IMHO have that power and strengh to the degree of the bullx.When people criticise the Bullx as a running dog(I know your not)they should remember with this type of dog its not all about running.

[Kye 77]

Royston, a good size Yote in my area is about 30-40lbs...although up north and in the Mid-west they can get very big...up to 60lbs+!!!

Admin, there are dogs out here that have been bred for years to deal with Yotes and even wolfs. I think the two i own now will make handy big game killers (Fingers crossed anyway!..lol.) I was just wondering about dogs in general, all over the world. The guy i got my stock from has a few dogs (male and female) that do Yote single handed. To my knowledge, they dont have bull blood, but i could be wrong. I was just interested in what others thaught.

Kane, i know what you mean. Alot of guys keep bull cross' back home for hard quarry, and gamness, which of course, the bull types can not be beaten for. I have seen quite small bull hybrids (3/4 whippet 1/4 bull) that where lethal on game with or without teeth. I would agree that the bull cross, is a great tool for certain jobs,...but is it possible to have your cake and eat it?...can you have that single minded grit and raw power of the bull, but still maintain speed enough for fleet quarry?...can it be done?

Another question?...some dogs (maybe even lines or strains of dogs) seem to be able to take hard quarry with minimal damage...Some just seem to be able to give things a quick bump, then straight to the head or throat.

Indeed, when yote killing dogs are advertised over here, it will often state the dog is a good "Head or neck dog" does this type of dog need to be as game?

Kye..

[Guest LEARNER]

KYE, I WOULD NOT REALLY COMMENT ON THE GAME YOU HUNT, I CAN SEE ITS A DIFFERENT BALL GAME FROM THAT WE GO FOR, PERHAPS EXCLUDING BILLY, BUT WHAT I HAVE FOUND REGARDING LURCHERS I,VE OWN ,IS I,VE ALWAYS HAD MORE SUCCESS , WITH3/4 CROSSES, THAN 1/2 CROSSES, REGARDING THE AMOUNT AND DIFFERENT SPECIES I,VE RAN, LIKE SOME ONE,S ALREADY COMMENTED ON ,I WOULD THINK A 3/4 GREYHOUND 1/4 BULL , WOULD DO THE JOB, THERE,S SPEED AND GUTS THERE A PLENTY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, A ROTTWEILLER, HAS MORE JAW POWER THAN A PIT BULL, THIS AS BEEN STATED ,FROM A PITBULL BOOK I HAVE ON MY SHELF NOW, BUT IT WOULD BE COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT THE PITBULL WOULD WIN ANY SUCH BOUT , THROUGH ITS GRIT AND TENACIOUS POWER, JUST A THOUGHT.

[Guest reload]

Wouldnt the only draw back be Feet on a bull X, i should imagine its some tough land yer running Kye and some long ol courses from what I have heard, surely that's where the staghound/deerhound X have the edge. But for hard and fast 3/4 grey 1/4 bull sounds a good option.

[Flynn 314]

laff tho some may i would opt for a sal/ whip/grey

am sure B69 might agree or maye not

[Stabs 3]

BELIEVE IT OR NOT, A ROTTWEILLER, HAS MORE JAW POWER THAN A PIT BULL, THIS AS BEEN STATED ,FROM A PITBULL BOOK I HAVE ON MY SHELF NOW, BUT IT WOULD BE COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT THE PITBULL WOULD WIN ANY SUCH BOUT , THROUGH ITS GRIT AND TENACIOUS POWER, JUST A THOUGHT.

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How do they test for this? I've often seen statistics bandied about on various boards about jaw strength/biting power but with very little scientific evidence to back it up. I should imagine that most lurchers have got the jaw strength to deal with any British quarry if they wanted to...it's the "wanting to" part that is the vital ingredient. After all, most lurchers are going to have a height/weight and quite often, terrain advantage over their quarry. That desire to tackle whatever's in front of them is the key.

In terms of gameness and speed, I know a half cross that does the lot and takes winter hares. Depends on how they throw.

[Kane 2]

A3/4 bred should be game enough and quick enough,but dont know how the stamina would stand up to long gruelling courses,that I have read coyotes can give.If your going to slip them from the back of a pick up on to quarry a 1stx would probably be as good for the quick dash and grab

[clinton 0]

mate i run bull,stag,greys and use them on feral pigs,they very fast and will hold good hogs on the own once on contact they go straight in and hang until told of..i have sold pups to dingoe chasser here that use them for running down and caching dingoes.they work best when run in pairs and will kill dingoes but best to go up and shoot dingoes before to much battle is done,now these dogs get used every day of the week and are good all round dogs and don't take much training,just get them out in the bush when they are old enough to start chasing

[rob reynolds uk 3]

with the land being as it is out there i would use two dogs on them more chance of a catch as well but first things first i would go for speed over power as its no good if you cant catch it and two dogs work as a team away so at least you will get some sport or use one faster dog to catch and one bigger dog to do the finishing off ..but if i was in your boots i would use more than two and have some real fun ..i think it was shaggys mate neal who has or had a dog that you would like its a beast of a dog that thing would do the job shaggy have you a pic of the said dog ??