Will the foxes run out?

[greg64 2,847]

All animal shud be tret with repect .If no do damage, no shoot.why ?? All nature need balance, i think not animal falt, is human falt, becas is too many peoples, no enoff land here in Uk, too many house & road! I no area no fox at all, all extinct. Very sad. Most fox now live in city near pizza, takeaway shop under shed, where safe & peole feed like pet.

 

Thats spot on clint .. the amount of foxes i see up here with mange is sad ... because of an inappropriate diet .. i rather a fox be shot outright than see it suffer mange

an inappropriate diet does not cause mange,

[RicW 67]

Not all dog men have lurchers and myself(pre ban)would release most vixens when dug to with terriers unless they were a problem,the same cannot be said of rifle boys or lurcher men.So labtastic don't put all dogmen in the same boat as them boys with the rifles who would like to think there countrymen,they ain't and never will be imo.x box or ps3 thats what they should be doing instead of the uncontroled slaughter they are doing round me,ffs 99.9% of them only touch the fields when they get out of the 4x4 to take a pic of something dead and again that ain't the ways of a real countryman or do they have the right to use the title hunter,slaughter men is more there title .

 

But it's ok for you to put all riflemen in the same boat? And the next time there's a march for repeal of the HWH act you'll be demanding that rifleman march with you? You slag us off when it suits you and then expect us to support you? Get real sonny boy.

 

Sorry Ideation but clowns like this do our cause as hunters one and all so much harm. We should all be on the same side.

 

Just for the record when I was about 8 or 9 I used to take my .410, the Dad's ferrets and his big lurcher out on Sunday morning. Fill the pot for a week and a few bob from the neighbours for the rabbits and feathered things.

 

Country lad me.

 

Ric

[SportingShooter 0]

After reading this thread, I'm beginning to feel in a minority amongst shooters .....that's if I listened to all of what was said here.

 

Luckily, what is said here and what actually happens out there is entirely different, not every lurcherman hates the local rifleman nor do they meet up in the village pub for a pint and an argument.

 

Ideation seems to have been well intentioned by asking a question, but that never ending dogmen v riflemen debate springs eternal.

 

ATB

Cynical Moderator (SS)

[willum 89]

Yes there numbers will drop just as they have done round my village,a walk out a month ago saw at least 12 foxes,last nights walk none were to be seen and i know for a fact the rifle boys have been knocking them off even though they have denied it to me(i helped them get some decent rabbit shooting as there own ground was rubbish).So if your reading this give it a rest or your off for good as your taking the p*ss and you don't even walk the ground just drive and shoot and that AIN'T NO WAY FOR ANY COUNTRYMAN TO ACT! :sick: .

 

 

how do i dont want to start an argument or fall out over this but i can honestly say that i have not shot a fox on that land since you came out with me and i havent lamped shot and driven the land since then i took a drive through there when on my way to drop you some rabbits for your ferrets the other week and that was the last time on that land. as i said im not going to rape the land as i understand that you have permision to be there aswell im not going to ruin another mans sport so i have left out the shooting of foxes there as was hoping to be shown the ropes so to speak on the digging side of things. am very gratefull for the nod to the farmer with the rabbit problem and have walked the land on the weekends when im free with me dad and shotguns and have started bushing with the terriers and the 4.10 when i get the chance.i would like to have a rabbiting dog but dont have the option of owning anymore dogs.as i said before im not the only one who shoots the land and i have told you of the other people who are.i gave you my word and i have stuck by it.if i would of known it was going to cause all this friction i wouldnt of bothered going to see him as i cant be doing with this agro. i would rather loose the land and keep a mate than to loose a mate and share the land.imo

Edited September 6, 2010 by willum

[Irish Lurcher 1,013]

Are people still shooting charlie

 

I do both, dogs and rifle and I can asure you that old charlie would have been wiped out long before now if the rifle had such an impact on them, there are plenty of them around and the rifle man alone could never clear a land of charlie.

 

Heres one I made earlier

[OldNog 432]

any fool can shoot a fox :crazy:

[Dosser 52]

I suppose thats another thing we can thank the antis for, you cant show a picture of a dog working, but its ok to show a fox with his head splattered.

Funny old world.

[Ideation 8,216]

Are people still shooting charlie

 

I do both, dogs and rifle and I can asure you that old charlie would have been wiped out long before now if the rifle had such an impact on them, there are plenty of them around and the rifle man alone could never clear a land of charlie.

 

Heres one I made earlier

 

 

Since the hunting ban the ownership of rifles with a ticket for fox has risen hugely. It is now the number one method of fox control and is far more efficient than hunting with dogs could ever be. And a rifleman could clear land of charlie far quicker than a dogman.

[Irish Lurcher 1,013]

any fool can shoot a fox :crazy:

 

 

Why thank you, but they dont give rifles to fools Let keep it clean, no point in ruining a decent thread.

 

Yes Dosser I agree with you, antis have ruined our sport, I think that we are very luckly here in Ireland, we dont have a ban and we can hunt in peace. Thanks for your input.

[willum 89]

i have fox on my ticket but i shoot over several farms of witch are my own permision i shoot with 2 more chaps who have there own land we rotate where we go we never rape the land for foxes 2 farms we dont shoot fox on as the land owner has specifacly asked us not to so we dont. what is the point of shooting every fox you see on every bit of land you have permision on unless askesd to.i also have given up posting pics of foxes i have shot on this site as i feel there is no need for it and the same goes for hares we dont shoot hares any time of the year. once went on a hare shoot and many were shot but the money went to the organiser of the shoot for a cancer charity in memory of his wife who died earlier that year.

[Malt 379]

Since the hunting ban the ownership of rifles with a ticket for fox has risen hugely. It is now the number one method of fox control and is far more efficient than hunting with dogs could ever be. And a rifleman could clear land of charlie far quicker than a dogman.

 

I can only find the Scottish statistics Jai mate, but in 2004 there were 26,897 FAC's in Scotland. In 2009 there were 26,072.

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2006/05/17143527/5 2004 stats

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2010/05/11094043 2009 stats

[Malt 379]

Hang on, got the England & Wales ones here...

 

2009 there were 138,728 FAC's, up from 122,076 in 2004....

 

Deffo a big rise in England & Wales then...

[Irish Lurcher 1,013]

i have fox on my ticket but i shoot over several farms of witch are my own permision i shoot with 2 more chaps who have there own land we rotate where we go we never rape the land for foxes 2 farms we dont shoot fox on as the land owner has specifacly asked us not to so we dont. what is the point of shooting every fox you see on every bit of land you have permision on unless askesd to.i also have given up posting pics of foxes i have shot on this site as i feel there is no need for it and the same goes for hares we dont shoot hares any time of the year. once went on a hare shoot and many were shot but the money went to the organiser of the shoot for a cancer charity in memory of his wife who died earlier that year.

 

 

One of my lands wont permitt me to shoot foxs, so I never would. If I am honest I can safely say that I shoot about four to five a year, it mainly all dog now, I have seen a huge down turn in lads shooting foxs over this side of the pond.

[cassshantia 16]

i would say there is a small decline on our shoots a,think the fox has moved on since the rabbit population has decreased to vertually non so the have moved to the keepered estates as the have put ten s of thousands poults down and they have been buggered by them ,last winter when the snow was down they had footings all over the place but never nailed as many as they thought and some holes were barren but since the spring and poults have arrived they have turned up in abundace and had lots of bother ,so theres two things in our area what show foxes can survive the winter away from keepers when they are breeding and when the food chain is in full flight the born survivers turn up

they are a very bright mammal and need respect cull if req'd but they do a good job by picking up all the injured / unwell animals etc

they will be here longer than us but not in the numbers we had here ten /fifteen yrs ago

[dave1372 83]

Alright, i'll be brief, and firstly state that this isnt an opinion, it's a question or series of questions . . . .

 

Since the hunting ban, a lot more people are killing foxes, especially with rifles at night. Although this is a very effective form of pest control, would members consider it sport also?

 

Do a lot of people shoot foxes on the lamp in areas where it serves no pest control purpose? By this i mean . . . . .an animal only becomes a pest when it is causing negative impact, so a fox that is only living and hunting on arable land is not a pest, but in fact an ally to the farmer, as it removes other crop eating pests?

 

Due to the nature of the activity. . . .. . . i.e with the right equipment its a piece of piss to pull in big bags of multiple foxes each night......and there is NO sense of survival of the fittest. . . . . .and a huge number of cubs are being shot before breeding age. . . . .... when it is now being practiced as a massively growing sport. . . . . are we going to run out of rural foxes?

 

I think it is also an issue that some/many folk no longer have a relationship with the land they hunt that is such that they accuratly know the number of game held on that land.

 

 

Thoughts?

 

I would say that foxing with rifles is not classed as a sport because strictly speaking there is no competitive element to it. It is more accurate to define it as a hobby.

 

I shoot foxes on a chicken farm, a sheep farm, and on a arable farm (who likes the foxes controlled because he has various covey of partridge he wants protected).

 

I doubt that we are going to run out of foxes. Hunting with hounds used to account for 21000-25000 foxes per year and it was estimated a similar amount could be accounted for by other individuals or groups who didn't keep records .The pre-breeding season in England & Wales is thought to be in the region of 217,000. The population approximately trebles after the breeding season, but unfortunately, there is very little information about the numbers of foxes which are actually killed. Even with the increase in firearms ownership it is too difficult to accurately say what percentage hunt foxes. It is also said that in areas of lower density that vixens will give birth to a larger litter as is natures way of redressing the balance.

 

I think it is the case there will be a lot of regional differences in the number of foxes that survive and only time will tell whether that will be many

Edited September 6, 2010 by dave1372