Will the foxes run out?

[danw 1,748]

All animal shud be tret with repect .If no do damage, no shoot.why ?? All nature need balance, i think not animal falt, is human falt, becas is too many peoples, no enoff land here in Uk, too many house & road! I no area no fox at all, all extinct. Very sad. Most fox now live in city near pizza, takeaway shop under shed, where safe & peole feed like pet.

 

Good post clint just cause we can kill fox don't mean we need to everywhere.

[Ideation 8,216]

All animal shud be tret with repect .If no do damage, no shoot.why ?? All nature need balance, i think not animal falt, is human falt, becas is too many peoples, no enoff land here in Uk, too many house & road! I no area no fox at all, all extinct. Very sad. Most fox now live in city near pizza, takeaway shop under shed, where safe & peole feed like pet.

 

 

Spot on. . . . . . . its a sad world we now live in, in many areas the country side is looking a bit like a waste ground.

[Kay 3,709]

All animal shud be tret with repect .If no do damage, no shoot.why ?? All nature need balance, i think not animal falt, is human falt, becas is too many peoples, no enoff land here in Uk, too many house & road! I no area no fox at all, all extinct. Very sad. Most fox now live in city near pizza, takeaway shop under shed, where safe & peole feed like pet.

 

Thats spot on clint .. the amount of foxes i see up here with mange is sad ... because of an inappropriate diet .. i rather a fox be shot outright than see it suffer mange

[Terryorr 27]

Just read Topic from start there, 1 of the best so far. I will just add my view to the subject now.

I started hunting with my currant mate 14 years ago, most of which was with terriers and some hound work. We only hunted on a saturday from September to February and averaged 100 foxes/season. One saturday we were out with 2 hounds and about 6 shotguns and from 9am to 12 noon we had accounted for 7 foxes and the Boss called it quites, based on the fact that foxes were everywhere and we would be slaughtering them. We averaged maybe 3/day with the terriers and maybe 5 with hounds back then. I went out on saturday past (4th) over the same permissions with a group of friends with 4 hounds and we were lucky to get the 1 fox that we did. 2 of the lads told me they would give it another month or so and if it didn.t improve they would pack it in.

This in my opinion is all down to the riflemen in the area. 1 lad and his mate accounted for 11 foxes 2 friday nights ago, so I have no doubt the foxes are running out in these areas.

[Lab 10,979]

Top thread Ideation but unfortunetly there seems to be a dogmen v rifle men theme too it. Whats annoying is when you read "They shoot 10 out of 10 and dont give a f**k" when we all know 100% that the dog men would slip on 10 foxes in a night in the hope they would catch every one....FACT!!!

As been said before i think the only real reason that numbers would take a serious decline is loss of natural habitat and they would be driven into towns even more so and would then have to be culled for fears of disease and attacks on pets and children.

[RicW 67]

Can't vouch for it, but I read on another site that 10% more foxes are being killed by hunters since the ban on HWH. In my home county of Leicestershire it used to be damn near impossible to get fox on a rifle ticket. The Chief Constable rode with the Quorn.

 

That said, far more are killed on the roads, as said above.

 

Ric

[Guest busterdog]

Top thread Ideation but unfortunetly there seems to be a dogmen v rifle men theme too it. Whats annoying is when you read "They shoot 10 out of 10 and dont give a f**k" when we all know 100% that the dog men would slip on 10 foxes in a night in the hope they would catch every one....FACT!!!

As been said before i think the only real reason that numbers would take a serious decline is loss of natural habitat and they would be driven into towns even more so and would then have to be culled for fears of disease and attacks on pets and children.

 

 

Loss of habitat my arse, charlie will live just about anywhere, i live on the edge of a big city and i used to dig or bolt seventy odd foxes a year with one jack russell bitch. These foxes were taken from both town and countryside in even numbers IMO the only reason you see more in the towns now is no one dares to touch them, you can't very well take your big guns around the local shopping centre. Out of the seventy foxes a year i took with my dogs only a small percentage were killed, something you carn't do with rifles and the loss of habitat your talking about where did this happen ?. If you ever get the chance to go up in a hot air ballon take it, you'll soon see that we still live in a very green and pleasant country, i whent over the edge of Stoke and over towards Rugely and you could see Wolverhampton and the one thing that struck me was the amount of greenery, it doesn't look half as bad from the air as it does from the ground.

Just to clear my side of the story up, i own a .223 .243 .17HMR .22 and five shotguns but still do not go on whole sale nights of slaughtering foxes for the sake of it, i CAN understand that some people have a job to do on estates or chicken farms and so on but lets be honest most people that use rifles shoot over dairy farms and arable farms where foxes do more good than harm. I do shoot foxes when asked by my local farmers but do it to stop someone else getting on and going on a killing spree, i take " A " fox not all of them.

I was out last night from 9.30 till 1.30 and saw one fox, sad, sad, sad.

Edited to say i can only go of what i've seen in my life time and i think i've seen the best of times and now the worst of it, i had many good days where i'de have four or five foxes (not all killed) and i saw the rise of the rifle where you'de pull in to a field to be greeted by a pile of rotting foxes and these were on dairy farms.

[fireman 10,932]

Not all dog men have lurchers and myself(pre ban)would release most vixens when dug to with terriers unless they were a problem,the same cannot be said of rifle boys or lurcher men.So labtastic don't put all dogmen in the same boat as them boys with the rifles who would like to think there countrymen,they ain't and never will be imo.x box or ps3 thats what they should be doing instead of the uncontroled slaughter they are doing round me,ffs 99.9% of them only touch the fields when they get out of the 4x4 to take a pic of something dead and again that ain't the ways of a real countryman or do they have the right to use the title hunter,slaughter men is more there title .

[Catcher 1 639]

Dont think the fox is at risk.In my area its numbers are well up.This may be down to the local council.Like many went all P C when the ban came into affect.Most of it is all green belt with a few small farms in between.In this ground that can cover many miles the fox is safe and will repopulate any barren habitat on its edges.

[Lab 10,979]

Top thread Ideation but unfortunetly there seems to be a dogmen v rifle men theme too it. Whats annoying is when you read "They shoot 10 out of 10 and dont give a f**k" when we all know 100% that the dog men would slip on 10 foxes in a night in the hope they would catch every one....FACT!!!

As been said before i think the only real reason that numbers would take a serious decline is loss of natural habitat and they would be driven into towns even more so and would then have to be culled for fears of disease and attacks on pets and children.

 

 

Loss of habitat my arse, charlie will live just about anywhere, i live on the edge of a big city and i used to dig or bolt seventy odd foxes a year with one jack russell bitch. These foxes were taken from both town and countryside in even numbers IMO the only reason you see more in the towns now is no one dares to touch them, you can't very well take your big guns around the local shopping centre. Out of the seventy foxes a year i took with my dogs only a small percentage were killed, something you carn't do with rifles and the loss of habitat your talking about where did this happen ?. If you ever get the chance to go up in a hot air ballon take it, you'll soon see that we still live in a very green and pleasant country, i whent over the edge of Stoke and over towards Rugely and you could see Wolverhampton and the one thing that struck me was the amount of greenery, it doesn't look half as bad from the air as it does from the ground.

Just to clear my side of the story up, i own a .223 .243 .17HMR .22 and five shotguns but still do not go on whole sale nights of slaughtering foxes for the sake of it, i CAN understand that some people have a job to do on estates or chicken farms and so on but lets be honest most peopl that use rifles shoot over dairy farms and arable farms where foxes do more good than harm. I do shoot foxes when asked by my local farmers but do it to stop someone else getting on and going on a killing spree, i take " A " fox not all of them.

I was out last night from 9.30 till 1.30 and saw one fox, sad, sad, sad.

Did you read my post or just glance at it......... . I said there would "have" to be a loss of habitat before any decline in numbers was noticed not that there "is " a lack of habitat.

Granted i dont know the growth rate of towns over the UK but i would bet my bottom dollar that pieces of land all over the countryside are disappearing fast to make way for housing estates, factories and shopping centres. At this rate it means animals like the fox will inevitably be pushed into the towns and when all the people who are not affected by fox at the moment start to be there will be an outcry and something will have to be done with them. Its nothing suprising its started already with more attacks recently in peoples homes.

[Lab 10,979]

Not all dog men have lurchers and myself(pre ban)would release most vixens when dug to with terriers unless they were a problem,the same cannot be said of rifle boys or lurcher men.So labtastic don't put all dogmen in the same boat as them boys with the rifles who would like to think there countrymen,they ain't and never will be imo.x box or ps3 thats what they should be doing instead of the uncontroled slaughter they are doing round me,ffs 99.9% of them only touch the fields when they get out of the 4x4 to take a pic of something dead and again that ain't the ways of a real countryman or do they have the right to use the title hunter,slaughter men is more there title .

Yep i should have said lurcher men, but thats clearly who i ment...fair point .

[mikeyboy 7]

its a known fact dogmen and riflemen dont see eye too eye. but the fact is a riflemen goes out and kills lots of foxes their is know dennying this evryone agrees. dogmen go out and do it if they get a couple foxes they are happy but you dont get everyone you see a dog will have a job catching fox at 200-300yards wont it. terriermen love the fox and some blokes i know will let them go if they are not a pest. fact is riflemen are a growing number and are a nuicsenese to the countryside and very few have respect for what they shoot. i mean why go round shooting all the hares on a piece of ground and then not pick them up or kill a whole litter of cubs. they banned the wrong sport im afraid.

[Ideation 8,216]

Not all dog men have lurchers and myself(pre ban)would release most vixens when dug to with terriers unless they were a problem,the same cannot be said of rifle boys or lurcher men.So labtastic don't put all dogmen in the same boat as them boys with the rifles who would like to think there countrymen,they ain't and never will be imo.x box or ps3 thats what they should be doing instead of the uncontroled slaughter they are doing round me,ffs 99.9% of them only touch the fields when they get out of the 4x4 to take a pic of something dead and again that ain't the ways of a real countryman or do they have the right to use the title hunter,slaughter men is more there title .

Yep i should have said lurcher men, but thats clearly who i ment...fair point .

 

 

I was really trying to avoid a dogmen vs riflemen theme,. . . . . . .. which you have nicely made sure is now there. If you read back over my previous posts you will see that i have addressed this point about lurcher men wanting to do it also. I agree, of course many would, the dog world is full to the brim with idiots now, however their chosen method just means they cannot be as prolific no matter how they might wish. What the jist of this thread is about is the seeming attempts to eradicate foxes in many areas, which is something that has developed since the ban on hunting with dogs. This is both due to the flooding post ban of the dogworld with chavy kids out to kill big numbers with their bullx and a larger part due to the MASSIVE rise in rifle shooting for fox, especially at night. This latter method is extremely effective, takes very little skill and is growing at such a rate amongst folk wih a questionable attitude that in MANY parts of the country i have noticed and been informed of a dramatic drop in the fox population. This is based on folk walking out at night and not seeing them but also on friendly terriermen and houndmen telling me that they are reporting a lot less found as well. It seems as if the poor fox now no longer has anyone trying to 'preserve' it to hunt, now it is a demon that must be wiped out . . . . . .

[Ideation 8,216]

its a known fact dogmen and riflemen dont see eye too eye. but the fact is a riflemen goes out and kills lots of foxes their is know dennying this evryone agrees. dogmen go out and do it if they get a couple foxes they are happy but you dont get everyone you see a dog will have a job catching fox at 200-300yards wont it. terriermen love the fox and some blokes i know will let them go if they are not a pest. fact is riflemen are a growing number and are a nuicsenese to the countryside and very few have respect for what they shoot. i mean why go round shooting all the hares on a piece of ground and then not pick them up or kill a whole litter of cubs. they banned the wrong sport im afraid.

 

 

This is a very good point - if you see ten foxes at 250 yards out with the dog, how many could your dog take single in a night, even if it could close with them all? With a rifle i could drop at least 9 if not 10 and it makes no difference which is fitter. . . .. . .. .. . .. they all go.

[Lab 10,979]

Not all dog men have lurchers and myself(pre ban)would release most vixens when dug to with terriers unless they were a problem,the same cannot be said of rifle boys or lurcher men.So labtastic don't put all dogmen in the same boat as them boys with the rifles who would like to think there countrymen,they ain't and never will be imo.x box or ps3 thats what they should be doing instead of the uncontroled slaughter they are doing round me,ffs 99.9% of them only touch the fields when they get out of the 4x4 to take a pic of something dead and again that ain't the ways of a real countryman or do they have the right to use the title hunter,slaughter men is more there title .

Yep i should have said lurcher men, but thats clearly who i ment...fair point .

 

 

I was really trying to avoid a dogmen vs riflemen theme,. . . . . . .. which you have nicely made sure is now there. If you read back over my previous posts you will see that i have addressed this point about lurcher men wanting to do it also. I agree, of course many would, the dog world is full to the brim with idiots now, however their chosen method just means they cannot be as prolific no matter how they might wish. What the jist of this thread is about is the seeming attempts to eradicate foxes in many areas, which is something that has developed since the ban on hunting with dogs. This is both due to the flooding post ban of the dogworld with chavy kids out to kill big numbers with their bullx and a larger part due to the MASSIVE rise in rifle shooting for fox, especially at night. This latter method is extremely effective, takes very little skill and is growing at such a rate amongst folk wih a questionable attitude that in MANY parts of the country i have noticed and been informed of a dramatic drop in the fox population. This is based on folk walking out at night and not seeing them but also on friendly terriermen and houndmen telling me that they are reporting a lot less found as well. It seems as if the poor fox now no longer has anyone trying to 'preserve' it to hunt, now it is a demon that must be wiped out . . . . . .

Hey dont blame me it was heading that way before i highlighted it....

I always feel the need to explain in these threads that i am 100% behind the hunting with dogs and stated many times before that if the ban was lifted i would be straight out there get a running dog.

I suppose in these threads i do have the "keepers" head on and been brought up that if a fox is seen then get the gun whether its causing a problem or not but the fact is that it might not be causing a problem but has the potential to do so. Maybe a nip it in the bud sort of way of thinking.

I must add that lamping foxes to me is a chore and not a hobby but thats part and parcel of the job i'm afraid and if it didn't get done then you'd be as well as give up keepering altoghether.