bull x killing pups

[jake824 517]

thought i d write about the last week of hassle with my bitch and hope it might save you losing a few pups yourself.she had the pups last monday the 23rd.she showed the signs of labour as normal ie restlessness, nesting and panting.in about 6 hours she had given birth to 9 pups.after the birth she was panting a bit but nothing different to any bitches i ve seen before whelping.she had access to water all the way through and seemed to settle down nicely.i checked on her every hour throughout the day and she just looked knackered.the night after the birth about 3 in the morning i woke to my terriers going mental and could hear faint cries. now the kennels are away from the house and i could still hear pups screaming.I ran down the kennels to find she had killed 3 pups and had taken half the face off the fourth which was the one screaming. i had no choice than to humanely put the pup out of its misery as there was no way on this earth it would survive. the bitch was sat in the corner growling showing her teeth to the other pups. i took her straight off the pups and cleared up the mess from the pups she had killed.At 4 in the morning the vet was nt over keen on coming out and said to wait till surgery at 9 , useless twats.i told her i suspected calcium defficiency and that she needed a calcium injection. she suggested muzzling the bitch and putting her back in.and they wonder why i have no time for them.there s one cracking vet there i normally see but he was on holiday.anyway took her up and had her x rayed to check for any dead pups then eventually i persuaded them to jab her with calcium.she calmed down within 4 to 6 hours and i put her back with her pups but sat with her just in case.

[toby1066 413]

sorry to hear that mate must have been a night mare for you is the remaning pups ok?

[jake824 517]

sorry to hear that mate must have been a night mare for you is the remaning pups ok?

i still supervise her feeds but the other five are doing real well. this condition is called eclampsia or milk fever and should be watched for early on in labour. i ve experienced it before but she never really showed the symptons that strongly. the bitch will be anxious ,be warm to touch , panting excessively and quite glassy eyed. if untreated the bitch will fit and eventually die.

[dafydd thomas 13]

personally i cant see why would a calcium deficiency affect mothering ability, some bitches simply are useless mothers its nature in a natural world all these pups would die in a process of natural selection kind of thing. atb to you any way mate hope shes better now

[Guest Buttermilk]

Oh my goodness what a nightmare...how upseting. Good job you were on hand to save the remaining pups and get the bitch to the vet.

Hope it all works out...

[jake824 517]

personally i cant see why would a calcium deficiency affect mothering ability, some bitches simply are useless mothers its nature in a natural world all these pups would die in a process of natural selection kind of thing. atb to you any way mate hope shes better now

it s quite common in bull breeds and they will kill and sometimes eat the pups. i ve known it when a bitch has previously raised a litter fine then a few years down the line another litter she has suffered from eclampsia and turned on the pups.as i said after the jab she feeds and cleans the pups fine.it s quite common in eclampsia for a bitch to try to kill her pups then be returned to them after being treated.i ve experienced it before but the signs were more obvious then

[foxlamper80 28]

that's a bad one lad atb with the rest of the pups

[dafydd thomas 13]

was it an ebt by any chance?

[jake824 517]

was it an ebt by any chance?

no . but i know its more common in the english bull

[fireman 10,995]

So i'm led to belive a lot of beagles also suffer from this,big well done on sussing it and sorting it without loosing the lot mate.

[jake824 517]

that's a bad one lad atb with the rest of the pups

cheers think ive turned the corner now they re fat as ticks and doing well

[Guest clash]

I've experienced it twice with bull terriers. Identical symptoms to what you are saying. I can remember being given calcium in a liquid form (may have been after she was jabbed at vets),to which i syringed several mil in the dams mouth whenever things looked to be going wrong with her. It's so long ago that i cannot recall everything.

Good luck...............

[jake824 517]

So i'm led to belive a lot of beagles also suffer from this,big well done on sussing it and sorting it without loosing the lot mate.

cheers bud its only cos i ve experienced it before . it s just a heads up to anyone else so they can nip it in the bud without losing the lot

[jake824 517]

I've experienced it twice with bull terriers. Identical symptoms to what you are saying. I can remember being given calcium in a liquid form (may have been after she was jabbed at vets),to which i syringed several mil in the dams mouth whenever things looked to be going wrong with her. It's so long ago that i cannot recall everything.

Good luck...............

thats right but it s hard to get hold of it now think it was called collo cal or something similar

[graham4877 1,181]

thought i d write about the last week of hassle with my bitch and hope it might save you losing a few pups yourself.she had the pups last monday the 23rd.she showed the signs of labour as normal ie restlessness, nesting and panting.in about 6 hours she had given birth to 9 pups.after the birth she was panting a bit but nothing different to any bitches i ve seen before whelping.she had access to water all the way through and seemed to settle down nicely.i checked on her every hour throughout the day and she just looked knackered.the night after the birth about 3 in the morning i woke to my terriers going mental and could hear faint cries. now the kennels are away from the house and i could still hear pups screaming.I ran down the kennels to find she had killed 3 pups and had taken half the face off the fourth which was the one screaming. i had no choice than to humanely put the pup out of its misery as there was no way on this earth it would survive. the bitch was sat in the corner growling showing her teeth to the other pups. i took her straight off the pups and cleared up the mess from the pups she had killed.At 4 in the morning the vet was nt over keen on coming out and said to wait till surgery at 9 , useless twats.i told her i suspected calcium defficiency and that she needed a calcium injection. she suggested muzzling the bitch and putting her back in.and they wonder why i have no time for them.there s one cracking vet there i normally see but he was on holiday.anyway took her up and had her x rayed to check for any dead pups then eventually i persuaded them to jab her with calcium.she calmed down within 4 to 6 hours and i put her back with her pups but sat with her just in case.

f*****g HELL!!

And they say vets do their job because the love to help!! hahaha Do you not mean they love the f*****g money!`