back off badgers

[hogdog 61]

this country is in massive debt an theyre considering vaccinating badgers,jesus christ,think of all the money that will cost,theres an estimated 250,000 adult badgers in the uk,thats a lot of vaccines plus the staff to do it

 

Without wishing to bring too much reality to your happy rantings the vaccination would be a much cheaper option as the vaccine is taken orally and can be left out on bait for the badgers.

 

Culling is hardly a cheap option either and there is no conclusive proof, despite tests being done that it has any effect on TB rates in cattle. The cheapest option is to cull the infected cattle, they are easy to find after all, and have better control over the movements of cattle around the country.

Culling could be free if there werent a law against diggin them!

cheap and practical

 

And fun too

 

The trouble is that culls have been proven to make the TB problem worse. Unless you completely rid the country of Badgers it's a waste of time.

 

The theory is that culling only incourages movement of Badgers from set to set which helps spread the disease to areas where it didn't previously exist.

[perthshire keeper 1,239]

i think the best thing to do is just put the dam things back on the list! we all know theirs damm nearly more of the than foxes.

 

the other way is........... but the law has made cowards of us all,theirs some die-hard farmers takeing the law into their own hands and getting on with it.

[dafydd thomas 13]

There are tons about these days.

 

If they are going to vacinate badgers, then you would have to have a deer cull as well. Personally what really should happen is to isolate cattle that have not been infected. Cull the rest of the cattle, which can still go into the food chain, which is strange, then start with an unaffected batch.

If it is indeed due to cattle to cattle movements it should be evident.

 

The funny thing about anti's is that they believe that if you leave a population alone it will only be as big as the amount of food is there to sustain it. That is fair enough, but that means that foxes and badgers can eat all the rest of the fauna in the area with their increaseing population until nothing is left and then their population will reduce, Problem is that their food is supplimented by people feeding them. Basically they place more importance in the apex predators than the other fauna below them in the food chain, such as ground nesting birds and rare rodents.

personally i dont see any point in culling cattle and then having to replace them only for them to be infected by the local wild life,

i would also like to mention two things that really pissed me off about this whole tb situation, a farmer friend had a load of cattle react to the tb test so they had to be culled as one of the cows was very heavy in calf it is defra policy not to travel the animal alive so she was shot on the yard whilst her calf could be seen frantically kicking suffocating to death inside her. later on the same farmer had a phone call from the abbatoir that went a little like this "helo mr whatever weve good news all the cattle slaughtered were clear of any tb lesions" farmer "what do you mean good news theyve been killed now you f****n prick" im not saying all animals are coming back clean but it does happen and what a bloody waste!!

[CarraghsGem 92]

There are tons about these days.

 

If they are going to vacinate badgers, then you would have to have a deer cull as well. Personally what really should happen is to isolate cattle that have not been infected. Cull the rest of the cattle, which can still go into the food chain, which is strange, then start with an unaffected batch.

If it is indeed due to cattle to cattle movements it should be evident.

 

The funny thing about anti's is that they believe that if you leave a population alone it will only be as big as the amount of food is there to sustain it. That is fair enough, but that means that foxes and badgers can eat all the rest of the fauna in the area with their increaseing population until nothing is left and then their population will reduce, Problem is that their food is supplimented by people feeding them. Basically they place more importance in the apex predators than the other fauna below them in the food chain, such as ground nesting birds and rare rodents.

personally i dont see any point in culling cattle and then having to replace them only for them to be infected by the local wild life,

i would also like to mention two things that really pissed me off about this whole tb situation, a farmer friend had a load of cattle react to the tb test so they had to be culled as one of the cows was very heavy in calf it is defra policy not to travel the animal alive so she was shot on the yard whilst her calf could be seen frantically kicking suffocating to death inside her. later on the same farmer had a phone call from the abbatoir that went a little like this "helo mr whatever weve good news all the cattle slaughtered were clear of any tb lesions" farmer "what do you mean good news theyve been killed now you f****n prick" im not saying all animals are coming back clean but it does happen and what a bloody waste!!

 

thats sickening, remember being told about cattle that where sent to slaughter cause of tb, oned by the brother in law + he worked in same slaughterhouse where they were killed, one cow calved while waiting to be slaughtered + 1 of the workers hit it over the head before it even had time to stand. this was probably 15-20 yrs ago but the memory is still there of the loss of income + the loss of stock. the cull on that farm wouldve cost them a years wage for a large family in youngstock + a fortune in breeding stock also.

 

and then they wonder why most farmers hate badgers.

[Jebus 3]

There are tons about these days.

 

If they are going to vacinate badgers, then you would have to have a deer cull as well. Personally what really should happen is to isolate cattle that have not been infected. Cull the rest of the cattle, which can still go into the food chain, which is strange, then start with an unaffected batch.

If it is indeed due to cattle to cattle movements it should be evident.

 

The funny thing about anti's is that they believe that if you leave a population alone it will only be as big as the amount of food is there to sustain it. That is fair enough, but that means that foxes and badgers can eat all the rest of the fauna in the area with their increaseing population until nothing is left and then their population will reduce, Problem is that their food is supplimented by people feeding them. Basically they place more importance in the apex predators than the other fauna below them in the food chain, such as ground nesting birds and rare rodents.

I disagree with you first paragraph, but the second one is 100% correct and probably the most true paragraph on this website. They don't realise that the foxes and badgers will wipe all ground nesting birds and rare rodents out if they're given the chance!

[Malt 379]

The funny thing about anti's is that they believe that if you leave a population alone it will only be as big as the amount of food is there to sustain it. That is fair enough, but that means that foxes and badgers can eat all the rest of the fauna in the area with their increaseing population until nothing is left and then their population will reduce, Problem is that their food is supplimented by people feeding them. Basically they place more importance in the apex predators than the other fauna below them in the food chain, such as ground nesting birds and rare rodents.

 

They probably would sustain their population if their habitat was the one they evolved to live in, but what the anti's don't realise is that the 'natural' countryside (which they claim to love and understand) complete with mooing cows, fluffy sheep and squeaky pigs is anything but natural.. It's a totally man made environment kept the way it is by careful management & control of everything on it..

 

The farmland that currently exists could sustain a higher population of most of our native species than the dense cover & thick forest that most of our species originally evolved to live in...

Edited August 28, 2010 by maltenby

[anagallis_arvensis 2]

and then they wonder why most farmers hate badgers.

 

Farmers should hate the fuckwits in charge instead.

[DottyDoo 500]

i have it on very good authority, 1 a the lead vets in this programme, that the badgers will be snared an vaccinated an then released

[scent 509]

poor badgers should just be left alone lovely cuddly critters

[danw 1,748]

i have it on very good authority, 1 a the lead vets in this programme, that the badgers will be snared an vaccinated an then released

Nobody in their right mind would use snares as a means to live catch badgers as any one who has accidentally caught a badger in one would agree.Cage traps would be the correct course of action and this is how the cull in wales was due to be conducted live caught in cages then dispatched.

[DottyDoo 500]

i have it on very good authority, 1 a the lead vets in this programme, that the badgers will be snared an vaccinated an then released

Nobody in their right mind would use snares as a means to live catch badgers as any one who has accidentally caught a badger in one would agree.Cage traps would be the correct course of action and this is how the cull in wales was due to be conducted live caught in cages then dispatched.

 

well like i said, it was a top tele vet an he was called in to help with the drawing up of the plans

[danw 1,748]

i have it on very good authority, 1 a the lead vets in this programme, that the badgers will be snared an vaccinated an then released

Nobody in their right mind would use snares as a means to live catch badgers as any one who has accidentally caught a badger in one would agree.Cage traps would be the correct course of action and this is how the cull in wales was due to be conducted live caught in cages then dispatched.

 

well like i said, it was a top tele vet an he was called in to help with the drawing up of the plans

 

Just shows how good they are then a badger goes mental in a snare they can even break the wire and go on with the noose still attached that is in no way humane but then most of these pricks know nothing of the real world as they think up all of it from an office.

[DottyDoo 500]

i have it on very good authority, 1 a the lead vets in this programme, that the badgers will be snared an vaccinated an then released

Nobody in their right mind would use snares as a means to live catch badgers as any one who has accidentally caught a badger in one would agree.Cage traps would be the correct course of action and this is how the cull in wales was due to be conducted live caught in cages then dispatched.

 

well like i said, it was a top tele vet an he was called in to help with the drawing up of the plans

 

Just shows how good they are then a badger goes mental in a snare they can even break the wire and go on with the noose still attached that is in no way humane but then most of these pricks know nothing of the real world as they think up all of it from an office.

 

 

too true mate

[CarraghsGem 92]

and then they wonder why most farmers hate badgers.

 

Farmers should hate the fuckwits in charge instead.

 

they do, easier to cull the badger though than to cull the fuckwits in charge

[danw 1,748]

and then they wonder why most farmers hate badgers.

 

Farmers should hate the fuckwits in charge instead.

 

they do, easier to cull the badger though than to cull the fuckwits in charge

 

with a bit of luck all these cuts the government are making they may get rid of some of the fuckwits