Bring back Huntig with dogs,Repeal the hunting act

[no ban 1]

I have heard that the hunting act is going to be put

before the house of lords for a vote

whether to bring back hunting with Hounds ,, dogs in 2011

does anybody know if this is true?..

It just seems to me, that all our heritage and traditions

are being attacked.

IE the ban on hunting,

Dont fly St George cross flags because its racist

No decorations in offices or workplace or this will upset Muslims

in certain areas no school nativity plays,

is it me, or are we being attacked

by the powers that be.. who realy trusts David Cameron to bring back hunting..

[wrowmon 1]

its not up to DC to bring back hunting it all depends on how all the mp's vote..

labour will not allow it they can't even decide who's going to lead them.

all we can do is hope and with the cuts we have to have due to the way labour our country in it will mean less police out and about..what i am worried about is why are they tring to get new laws in regarding dog ownership..not the con's but the lib dems and labour now that is going to hurt us...

[anagallis_arvensis 2]

I would say there was a very slim chance of the cons doing something on hunting with dogs but zero of the condems doing anything

[Jack Dark 2]

They have now had the votes from those who though they would repeal the hunting act now the subject will ‘kick the issue into the long grass’ as they say which was the plan all along. Same old story.

[graham4877 1,181]

So i take it none of you's voted on this then ?? Have a read

http://www.hmg.gov.uk/epetition-responses/petition-view.aspx?epref=Unworkable#detail

 

This petition is now closed, as its deadline has passed.

 

We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Repeal the Hunting Act 2004. More details

 

Submitted by Miss Andrea Keyte – Deadline to sign up by: 06 June 2010 – Signatures: 4,710

More details from petition creator

 

We believe that the Hunting Act 2004 is an unworkable and an unenforceable law. We believe that since the act came into force the welfare of our wildlife has decreased and that inhumane alternatives are being used to control pests. We also believe that the act was passed as a part of a so called 'class war' and had nothing to do with the welfare of animals. There was little or no consideration given to the people involved or employed in the Hunting world.

 

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Unworkable/

Government response

 

The Hunting Act was passed by Parliament in 2004. It has not been a demonstrable success, and is difficult to enforce. It is an unnecessary drain on police resources and there have been few prosecutions. Only three hunts have been successfully prosecuted for illegal hunting.

 

That is why the Government wishes to give Parliament the opportunity to review the Hunting Act and, if it wishes, repeal this legislation. We will put forward a motion before the House of Commons on whether the Hunting Act should be repealed and, if the motion is carried, we will bring forward legislation in due course.

 

 

At the min theirs 290 MP's who dont want Hunting Repealed But theirs 300 who do want it repealed

But with the new lord fighting in our corner that 290 is hoped to go down with the new rules reg body being set up!

[CarraghsGem 92]

i voted.

[wrowmon 1]

wow sign a petition to parliment what a load of good thats does it just make joe public think they will be listened too..has anyone of these petitions every change a law please you are having a laugh SAD.

[Guest wurzil]

So i take it none of you's voted on this then ?? Have a read

http://www.hmg.gov.uk/epetition-responses/petition-view.aspx?epref=Unworkable#detail

 

This petition is now closed, as its deadline has passed.

 

We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Repeal the Hunting Act 2004. More details

 

Submitted by Miss Andrea Keyte – Deadline to sign up by: 06 June 2010 – Signatures: 4,710

More details from petition creator

 

We believe that the Hunting Act 2004 is an unworkable and an unenforceable law. We believe that since the act came into force the welfare of our wildlife has decreased and that inhumane alternatives are being used to control pests. We also believe that the act was passed as a part of a so called 'class war' and had nothing to do with the welfare of animals. There was little or no consideration given to the people involved or employed in the Hunting world.

 

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Unworkable/

Government response

 

The Hunting Act was passed by Parliament in 2004. It has not been a demonstrable success, and is difficult to enforce. It is an unnecessary drain on police resources and there have been few prosecutions. Only three hunts have been successfully prosecuted for illegal hunting.

 

That is why the Government wishes to give Parliament the opportunity to review the Hunting Act and, if it wishes, repeal this legislation. We will put forward a motion before the House of Commons on whether the Hunting Act should be repealed and, if the motion is carried, we will bring forward legislation in due course.

 

 

At the min theirs 290 MP's who dont want Hunting Repealed But theirs 300 who do want it repealed

But with the new lord fighting in our corner that 290 is hoped to go down with the new rules reg body being set up!

the new lord aint fighting in our corner at all, he's fighting in the reg hunts corner witch means the average terrier lad and coursing lad can is gonna get shit on, wurzil

[wirral countryman 2,110]

there will never be a repeal of the hunting ban,there may be a licenced form of hunting for the organised hunts and if we're lucky 1 terriermen per hunt licenced to dig,this is only my opinion but I do follow politics a fair bit and when it comes down to it politician's will not put their necks on the line for a minority sport that could lose them votes in an election,the majority vote will alway's be against us now,what we " must" take great care in is not saying that the present law is unenforcible,this will only bring about more legislation, thereby closing any loopholes that allow us to carry on hunting at present,take great care whilst out and try not to bring our way of life to an end by posting bloody pics and daft posts on what you've been doing on an open forum full of guests and anti's,as things stand we can still work our dogs on some legal quarry but make too much noise about hunting and all pest control will be limited by licences of some sort,this is my honest opinion and probably not what most will want to hear,atb,wirralman

[graham4877 1,181]

Hunts have backed plans for the sport to be put under tight regulation to stamp out any unnecessary cruelty if hunting was made legal.

 

The proposal, led by Lord Donoughue, the senior Labour peer, has also won the backing of Tory and Labour MPs and peers, it can be revealed.

 

The move comes after months of uncertainty over the issue and with growing doubt about whether David Cameron can deliver his promised repeal of the Hunting Act.

 

The Conservative leader had pledged before the election to offer a free vote on the issue. But since the Conservatives failed to win a majority and entered into a coalition with the Liberal Democrats, the chances of repeal have diminished.

 

MPs are currently thought to be split almost evenly between those who would support repeal and those who would vote in favour of the ban remaining.

 

As things stand, the Prime Minister has been warned by supporters of hunting not to risk bringing forward legislation which could fail and only entrench the controversial ban brought in by Labour in 2004.

 

In a significant change of strategy, the hunting community has agreed that Lord Donoughue should chair a proposed Hunting Regulatory Authority which would oversee the sport if it was legalised.

 

The HRA will apply a strict code of practice to ensure that hunting is carried out without causing unnecessary suffering; that hunts respect animals, property, land and crops; that it is only carried out on land with the permission of the owner and that no one involved brings the sport into disrepute.

 

Breeches of the rules could result in prosecution in the courts with those found guilty fined or permanently disbarred from hunting. A similar system operates in Northern Ireland.

 

Lord Donoughue led a 2007 review of greyhound racing aimed at eradicating cruelty and has worked to improve the horse racing industry.

 

He said there could be "no return" to the situation before the ban and hunting people could not simply turn back the clock.

 

"We are trying to put forward a more moderate compromise approach," Lord Donoughue said.

 

"We need to achieve a proper balance between the needs of animal welfare, the need to avoid deliberate cruelty and the rights of the countryside to pursue its sports such as hunting."

 

The former agriculture minister will also bring forward a Wild Mammal Protection Bill in the coming months, which will be supported by hunting people.

 

That will give animals in the wild the same legal protection from unnecessary suffering as domestic animals currently enjoy.

 

Lord Donoughue, who was a senior adviser to Harold Wilson, appealed to Mr Cameron to throw his weight behind the compromise.

 

"There is very strong support for the regulatory body within the sport. I think there is a reasonable chance that with a fair wind from the government we could get this through the Lords and I think there is a fair chance that we would get it through the Commons."

 

The latest calculation is that up to 300 MPs are pro-repeal while the anti-hunting lobby can count on around 290 supporters in the new Parliament. Hunt supporters are hoping that with the offer of regulation dozens more MPs will support repeal.

 

That could be put to Parliament in either a one-line Bill, as initially promised by Mr Cameron, or in a private members' bill at some point before the end of the Parliament in five years time.

 

A spokesman for the Countryside Alliance said: "The Hunting Regulatory Authority is the compromise that should have come about when the Hunting Act was passed in 2004.

 

"The Hunting Act must be repealed, but we are putting in place an independent system to regulate hunting rather than going back to the pre-ban status quo."

 

Lord Donoughue said: "It is going to be quite a fight, but I think this is the best approach to this complex problem which has defeated us for a long time.

 

Lord Donoughue appealed to Labour MPs and peers to back the plan and to abandon their ideological opposition to hunting.

 

"I'm not keen on interfering nannies from Hampstead telling people in the countryside how to live their lives. Do they really believe in animal welfare or do they just have chips on their shoulders?"

 

 

 

Well i think if we do get the Hunting Regulatory Authority it would be alot better than some jumped up copper!

Dont you?

As we all know the coppers will step back "IF" And when we get the Hunting Regulatory Authority

[graham4877 1,181]

wow sign a petition to parliment what a load of good thats does it just make joe public think they will be listened too..has anyone of these petitions every change a law please you are having a laugh SAD.

So i take it you just sit back and say f**k all then?

Better to have your say then if it does not get listened too !

Atleast you can say i tried!!

[graham4877 1,181]

there will never be a repeal of the hunting ban,there may be a licenced form of hunting for the organised hunts and if we're lucky 1 terriermen per hunt licenced to dig,this is only my opinion but I do follow politics a fair bit and when it comes down to it politician's will not put their necks on the line for a minority sport that could lose them votes in an election,the majority vote will alway's be against us now,what we " must" take great care in is not saying that the present law is unenforcible,this will only bring about more legislation, thereby closing any loopholes that allow us to carry on hunting at present,take great care whilst out and try not to bring our way of life to an end by posting bloody pics and daft posts on what you've been doing on an open forum full of guests and anti's,as things stand we can still work our dogs on some legal quarry but make too much noise about hunting and all pest control will be limited by licences of some sort,this is my honest opinion and probably not what most will want to hear,atb,wirralman

 

I think the main thing the Tree huggers don't like is when a fox gets run all day then dug up!

So i think they will make a rule that no digging n hunting on the same day. witch is fair if you ask me.

[Guest wurzil]

there will never be a repeal of the hunting ban,there may be a licenced form of hunting for the organised hunts and if we're lucky 1 terriermen per hunt licenced to dig,this is only my opinion but I do follow politics a fair bit and when it comes down to it politician's will not put their necks on the line for a minority sport that could lose them votes in an election,the majority vote will alway's be against us now,what we " must" take great care in is not saying that the present law is unenforcible,this will only bring about more legislation, thereby closing any loopholes that allow us to carry on hunting at present,take great care whilst out and try not to bring our way of life to an end by posting bloody pics and daft posts on what you've been doing on an open forum full of guests and anti's,as things stand we can still work our dogs on some legal quarry but make too much noise about hunting and all pest control will be limited by licences of some sort,this is my honest opinion and probably not what most will want to hear,atb,wirralman

 

I think the main thing the Tree huggers don't like is when a fox gets run all day then dug up!

So i think they will make a rule that no digging n hunting on the same day. witch is fair if you ask me.

[no ban 1]

Hunts have backed plans for the sport to be put under tight regulation to stamp out any unnecessary cruelty if hunting was made legal.

 

The proposal, led by Lord Donoughue, the senior Labour peer, has also won the backing of Tory and Labour MPs and peers, it can be revealed.

 

The move comes after months of uncertainty over the issue and with growing doubt about whether David Cameron can deliver his promised repeal of the Hunting Act.

 

The Conservative leader had pledged before the election to offer a free vote on the issue. But since the Conservatives failed to win a majority and entered into a coalition with the Liberal Democrats, the chances of repeal have diminished.

 

MPs are currently thought to be split almost evenly between those who would support repeal and those who would vote in favour of the ban remaining.

 

As things stand, the Prime Minister has been warned by supporters of hunting not to risk bringing forward legislation which could fail and only entrench the controversial ban brought in by Labour in 2004.

 

In a significant change of strategy, the hunting community has agreed that Lord Donoughue should chair a proposed Hunting Regulatory Authority which would oversee the sport if it was legalised.

 

The HRA will apply a strict code of practice to ensure that hunting is carried out without causing unnecessary suffering; that hunts respect animals, property, land and crops; that it is only carried out on land with the permission of the owner and that no one involved brings the sport into disrepute.

 

Breeches of the rules could result in prosecution in the courts with those found guilty fined or permanently disbarred from hunting. A similar system operates in Northern Ireland.

 

Lord Donoughue led a 2007 review of greyhound racing aimed at eradicating cruelty and has worked to improve the horse racing industry.

 

He said there could be "no return" to the situation before the ban and hunting people could not simply turn back the clock.

 

"We are trying to put forward a more moderate compromise approach," Lord Donoughue said.

 

"We need to achieve a proper balance between the needs of animal welfare, the need to avoid deliberate cruelty and the rights of the countryside to pursue its sports such as hunting."

 

The former agriculture minister will also bring forward a Wild Mammal Protection Bill in the coming months, which will be supported by hunting people.

 

That will give animals in the wild the same legal protection from unnecessary suffering as domestic animals currently enjoy.

 

Lord Donoughue, who was a senior adviser to Harold Wilson, appealed to Mr Cameron to throw his weight behind the compromise.

 

"There is very strong support for the regulatory body within the sport. I think there is a reasonable chance that with a fair wind from the government we could get this through the Lords and I think there is a fair chance that we would get it through the Commons."

 

The latest calculation is that up to 300 MPs are pro-repeal while the anti-hunting lobby can count on around 290 supporters in the new Parliament. Hunt supporters are hoping that with the offer of regulation dozens more MPs will support repeal.

 

That could be put to Parliament in either a one-line Bill, as initially promised by Mr Cameron, or in a private members' bill at some point before the end of the Parliament in five years time.

 

A spokesman for the Countryside Alliance said: "The Hunting Regulatory Authority is the compromise that should have come about when the Hunting Act was passed in 2004.

 

"The Hunting Act must be repealed, but we are putting in place an independent system to regulate hunting rather than going back to the pre-ban status quo."

 

Lord Donoughue said: "It is going to be quite a fight, but I think this is the best approach to this complex problem which has defeated us for a long time.

 

Lord Donoughue appealed to Labour MPs and peers to back the plan and to abandon their ideological opposition to hunting.

 

"I'm not keen on interfering nannies from Hampstead telling people in the countryside how to live their lives. Do they really believe in animal welfare or do they just have chips on their shoulders?"

 

 

 

Well i think if we do get the Hunting Regulatory Authority it would be alot better than some jumped up copper!

Dont you?

As we all know the coppers will step back "IF" And when we get the Hunting Regulatory Authority

Thanks for that post Graham, very interesting and informative,, 10/10 well done..

[Guest wurzil]

there will never be a repeal of the hunting ban,there may be a licenced form of hunting for the organised hunts and if we're lucky 1 terriermen per hunt licenced to dig,this is only my opinion but I do follow politics a fair bit and when it comes down to it politician's will not put their necks on the line for a minority sport that could lose them votes in an election,the majority vote will alway's be against us now,what we " must" take great care in is not saying that the present law is unenforcible,this will only bring about more legislation, thereby closing any loopholes that allow us to carry on hunting at present,take great care whilst out and try not to bring our way of life to an end by posting bloody pics and daft posts on what you've been doing on an open forum full of guests and anti's,as things stand we can still work our dogs on some legal quarry but make too much noise about hunting and all pest control will be limited by licences of some sort,this is my honest opinion and probably not what most will want to hear,atb,wirralman

 

I think the main thing the Tree huggers don't like is when a fox gets run all day then dug up!

So i think they will make a rule that no digging n hunting on the same day. witch is fair if you ask me.

witch is fair if you ask me????????? surely if you ask the farmer or gamekeeper if its fair you wont last very long doing there pest control as that what fox hunting is about, PEST CONTROL not about being fair to the poor old fox. yis wurzil.