whats the differences between border / beardie collie crosses?

[get the beers in 1]

got a 5/8 . 3/8 b b greyhound from hancock and what a cracking dog he was to trian was nocking stuff over at 10mths old in by the time he was 18mths had done very good in the field but met his end in the field doing what he loved best . seen the baerdie x greyhound and the 3/4 greyhound 1/4 baerdie would be a handy x but tend to be slow starters but do have good feet and tend to have better bite than the boarder and are very hardy dogs , the boarder is so easy to work with and tend to love to please but if shouted at or worst case hit they can be ruined, but the collie x to me is one of the best working type lurchers out there for a all rounder

Edited August 20, 2010 by get the beers in

[Steve McHardy 2]

  On 20/08/2010 at 13:39, get the beers in said:

got a 5/8 . 3/8 b b greyhound from hancock and what a cracking dog he was to trian was nocking stuff over at 10mths old in by the time he was 18mths had done very good in the field but met his end in the field doing what he loved best . seen the baerdie x greyhound and the 3/4 greyhound 1/4 baerdie would be a handy x for you

ive had and still have dogs with a bit of both collie types in them and they are very good round the house just seem to flick a switch when they go out. has anyone else noticed that the beardie coat seems to come through quite strong my current lad only has a little beardie in him but the coat has come through, not as rough as his mam but rough all the same his grandad was a hancock bred beardie/3/4gh x and his grandma was the same with border i put his mam to a 3/4 Ghxbull and i am pleased with the result although i know his grandad did everthing asked and would pull whatever was asked of him.

[whin 463]

tel me spart from hancock how many have youse saw genuine beardiesi have there nothing like hanckocks were had mate who bred a few litters twenty years ago made rum dogs, got a bit of that blood in my collie type lurchers ,far cry from the wooly bears hancock bred , most had coats like a smooth lab or a lakeland some through rougher but not much good dogs they were in any mans standard they were bred in scotland of hardy working beardies and good working greyhounds x racers with good form , thtas the beardies i remeber marc c glenns etc not sily merle wombles ,who over heated in warm weqather hard bitten dogs with coats lke lakelands colie john put apick of one of mines from the mid ninties still got the line

[runforyourlife 361]

  On 20/08/2010 at 21:00, whin said:

tel me spart from hancock how many have youse saw genuine beardiesi have there nothing like hanckocks were had mate who bred a few litters twenty years ago made rum dogs, got a bit of that blood in my collie type lurchers ,far cry from the wooly bears hancock bred , most had coats like a smooth lab or a lakeland some through rougher but not much good dogs they were in any mans standard they were bred in scotland of hardy working beardies and good working greyhounds x racers with good form , thtas the beardies i remeber marc c glenns etc not sily merle wombles ,who over heated in warm weqather hard bitten dogs with coats lke lakelands colie john put apick of one of mines from the mid ninties still got the line

 

 

Jesus, what is he on about....

 

Most beardie x have thick double coats... And mine whin, comes from up cumbria, the family line still being used on the fells...

[mikey2341 0]

Thanks for all the replies, It's interesting to get other peoples opinions on the different breeds. In terms of height do beardie crosses tend to make smaller height than borders? (talking first cross here)

 

Cheers

[Ideation 8,216]

Surely it's all dependent on the herding dog itself when breeding a first x. . . .beardie, border. . . . i'd just pick whatever the best was i could get my hands on, it's all very well idealizing traits a breed 'had' or even 'has' but you cant just go with the breed, you gotta go with the dog. If that makes sense?

[jenksi87 3]

  On 23/08/2010 at 15:17, Ideation said:

Surely it's all dependent on the herding dog itself when breeding a first x. . . .beardie, border. . . . i'd just pick whatever the best was i could get my hands on, it's all very well idealizing traits a breed 'had' or even 'has' but you cant just go with the breed, you gotta go with the dog. If that makes sense?

 

spot on

[mikey2341 0]

Yeah I know what you mean, the parents qualities are really important, but I always thought it was worth looking into the traits of the different types of dogs as well. Just because one saluki cross has a great recall doesn't mean all it's offspring will etc. I guess I'm just quite sad and enjoy reading up on future purchases! I don't have the luxury of having specific working dogs that could be passed on if not up to scratch (to be fair not sure I'd want to, the next dog will be a family pet and working dog in equal measure...

 

Cheers

[Ideation 8,216]

  On 23/08/2010 at 18:05, mikey2341 said:

Yeah I know what you mean, the parents qualities are really important, but I always thought it was worth looking into the traits of the different types of dogs as well. Just because one saluki cross has a great recall doesn't mean all it's offspring will etc. I guess I'm just quite sad and enjoy reading up on future purchases! I don't have the luxury of having specific working dogs that could be passed on if not up to scratch (to be fair not sure I'd want to, the next dog will be a family pet and working dog in equal measure...

 

Cheers

 

 

Your right, certain breeds of dogs of dogs do have certain traits that make the breed (often) more suited to certain jobs, quarry, land or even person. And research is always worthwhile. Your right just because one dog has certain positive traits does not mean that they will be passed onto all offspring, but its even more so the case that because one, two or even many dogs of a certain 'type' or breed have certain characteristics, that all or any dog of that breed or type will have them. If i was intending to breed a first x collie, beardie, border (any herding dog really), and it's definatly something for the future, my first point of research would be to look around the country, starting in my local area, look at the farms etc, make a lot of visits and look what dogs they are using. Id be wanting to see the dog working at it's job, once i found the dog that was the perfect example of the characteristics that i was looking for, that's be the dog to start from. It's all very well wishing for a beardie, or border or whatever, but if there are no good examples available to you, it's all just dreaming.

 

I also don't believe in passing dogs on and find that it takes some doing to turn out a useless dog if you've put the groundwork in.

[doga 50]

  On 20/08/2010 at 21:00, whin said:

tel me spart from hancock how many have youse saw genuine beardiesi have there nothing like hanckocks were had mate who bred a few litters twenty years ago made rum dogs, got a bit of that blood in my collie type lurchers ,far cry from the wooly bears hancock bred , most had coats like a smooth lab or a lakeland some through rougher but not much good dogs they were in any mans standard they were bred in scotland of hardy working beardies and good working greyhounds x racers with good form , thtas the beardies i remeber marc c glenns etc not sily merle wombles ,who over heated in warm weqather hard bitten dogs with coats lke lakelands colie john put apick of one of mines from the mid ninties still got the line

yes whin i have and your right he breeds a lot for ascetics but theres a market for it,i know what your saying about the coate type and real working types tend not to throw heavey coates but tite and wirey and dont over heat as borders do.ive see hancock and farm or home bred collie crosses graft some good and bad in both to be totaly fair wich is what youve got to be un blinkerd.

[heart of wales 19]

We have and still do run both types of collie straight Beardies and bordes

I personally prefer the beardies for working sheep as the have endless guts and courage particularly close quarter yard work ,ours will confront rams cattle or Yews with lambs,the dont suffer a great deal in warmer weather though sense tells you to do most of the work early morning.

 

The border would have a lot more set in them they would be the trialing type of dog,slighter perhaps a tad quicker but not a great deal