CarraghsGem 92 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Best bull x,s i ever seen run were the genuine half x,s from the mid to late ,s...never seen anything like em since...maybe because the bull side of the breeding was untainted with other blood which we see too much of today..atb stabba Simply beautiful words Stabba and 100% right! for the uk perhaps still able to find top class pure bulls if you know where to look. Quote Link to post
Bosun11 537 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 fence hopper is right. it ain't all about the bull, its all about finding the balance.....an finding a dogs calling Hi, Never seen the need to introduce Bull blood to the strain of a lurcher, although there is not a true lurcher ,I like to think the Collie cross is the true ( LURCHER )ie, all rounder day and night. If you want to add such things to a lurcher you just attract attention ie, (DEVIL DOGS) As I think you would agree, this is seen more and more in every day papers.!!Again my opinion. Christ !!!!! (excuse the phrase) I was out a walk the other day (Also with a few others from the site) and saw some youngsters out with there TYSON'S and REX'S ,(bad boy dogs) and so on, there dogs were chasing cows!!! Now I understand all Bull men if not most dog men would hang there head in shame if this had to happen to them !!!!!!!! But again it seams to be a status thing for youngsters any way, if the dog looks like a machine it acts like a machine!!!! Yes true without training and proper entering as I'm sure you will agree it will be stone wall daft ,maybe bite a wean!!!!(Who know it's good to speculate) But the moto seams to be :- (Get the Bull breed, f**k the training ,entering and so on ,just get the dog and it will know it's job cause its a Bull cross) Come on now !!! When I asked "why are you allowing this to happen your just going to bring attention to yourselves if not more " An even younger lad stepped up and said "What you on about? I Can't wait till my dogs up so it can do it to " Now don't go down the road they don't feel pain, as all things feel pain to some extent , f**k if the antis had there way fishing would be banned!! But you get my drift.... It seams to be more and more of a status thing more than a capability thing to have the Bull blood introduced to a lurcher . Not for me , though just my opinion as most working lurchers I have seen that are good at there job have never needed this hyped up cross. Again just my opinion and general observation !!! Admittedly of youngsters mostly but were are they getting there idols from or there ideas???? Hope I'm not offending any one . atb SS Your first line, though stated, 'your' opinion, is IMO complete bollocks, as their is no such thing as a 'true' lurcher and collie crosses are no more 'true' than any other type! Your second line is one of 'the' most damning things I have read on this site, all crosses have their place, all crosses have their uses and that shouldn't matter if that cross is of no use to you! To use a slanderous media term in the context of 'our' hunting dogs on this site is fecking bang out of order!!!! Quote Link to post
phil_h 53 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 This little minshaw bitch, owned by my cousin has a splash of bull in her....(not sure of the exact percentage though)but she has constantly proved herself on everything single handed over the last 3-4 years...........undoubtably one of the best grafters I've ever seen..or perhaps likely to see. She is certainly impressive........Shame I cant take credit for her! like her mate Quote Link to post
mad-mouse 11 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 i have a 3 quarter bull not the fastest but perfect for me also a 1 quarter bull all os perfect for me Quote Link to post
nicola1804 114 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Mad-Mouse that dog in the top pic is gorgeous!!!!!! Quote Link to post
tag 29 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 i think theres different areas of graft mate , ive a good honest bitch on the lamp , and very single handed , takes her nocks and gets on with it , and never lets me down ,a quick killing bitch , she,s less than a quarter bull in fact she,s got more saluki in her than bull , but around a hole its different story , she still does her job but seems to be a bit less wreckless in her method , ive seen and owned bull xs that just seem to { destroy} for want of a better word whatever their hunting and nothing would stand in the way , the keen ness and pray drive is just something different it may come across as wreckless but its the sort of working style that never stops amazing me i think that this atitude is down to the bull mentality .. or terrier blooded ness in the dog and can only really be seen when the dogs upside down trying to get its head in a 4 inch hole , their are lots of dogs that look well grafted yet will only take quarry.... " on top " but i think the extra terrier blooded dog is more suited for the terrierman type work yet can be left wanting in many other areas atb ....... Quote Link to post
Dunkanon 380 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 (edited) fence hopper is right. it ain't all about the bull, its all about finding the balance.....an finding a dogs calling Hi, Never seen the need to introduce Bull blood to the strain of a lurcher, although there is not a true lurcher ,I like to think the Collie cross is the true ( LURCHER )ie, all rounder day and night. If you want to add such things to a lurcher you just attract attention ie, (DEVIL DOGS) As I think you would agree, this is seen more and more in every day papers.!! Again my opinion. Christ !!!!! (excuse the phrase) I was out a walk the other day (Also with a few others from the site) and saw some youngsters out with there TYSON'S and REX'S ,(bad boy dogs) and so on, there dogs were chasing cows!!! Now I understand all Bull men if not most dog men would hang there head in shame if this had to happen to them !!!!!!!! But again it seams to be a status thing for youngsters any way, if the dog looks like a machine it acts like a machine!!!! Yes true without training and proper entering as I'm sure you will agree it will be stone wall daft ,maybe bite a wean!!!!(Who know it's good to speculate) But the moto seams to be :- (Get the Bull breed, f**k the training ,entering and so on ,just get the dog and it will know it's job cause its a Bull cross) Come on now !!! When I asked "why are you allowing this to happen your just going to bring attention to yourselves if not more " An even younger lad stepped up and said "What you on about? I Can't wait till my dogs up so it can do it to " Now don't go down the road they don't feel pain, as all things feel pain to some extent , f**k if the antis had there way fishing would be banned!! But you get my drift.... It seams to be more and more of a status thing more than a capability thing to have the Bull blood introduced to a lurcher . Not for me , though just my opinion as most working lurchers I have seen that are good at there job have never needed this hyped up cross. Again just my opinion and general observation !!! Admittedly of youngsters mostly but were are they getting there idols from or there ideas???? Hope I'm not offending any one . atb SS ??????????? wtf, the thread is supposed to be about good grafters with bull blood, not somewhere for u to air your opinions. Edited August 19, 2010 by Dunkanon Quote Link to post
richie198 28 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 fence hopper is right. it ain't all about the bull, its all about finding the balance.....an finding a dogs calling Hi, Never seen the need to introduce Bull blood to the strain of a lurcher, although there is not a true lurcher ,I like to think the Collie cross is the true ( LURCHER )ie, all rounder day and night. If you want to add such things to a lurcher you just attract attention ie, (DEVIL DOGS) As I think you would agree, this is seen more and more in every day papers.!! Again my opinion. Christ !!!!! (excuse the phrase) I was out a walk the other day (Also with a few others from the site) and saw some youngsters out with there TYSON'S and REX'S ,(bad boy dogs) and so on, there dogs were chasing cows!!! Now I understand all Bull men if not most dog men would hang there head in shame if this had to happen to them !!!!!!!! But again it seams to be a status thing for youngsters any way, if the dog looks like a machine it acts like a machine!!!! Yes true without training and proper entering as I'm sure you will agree it will be stone wall daft ,maybe bite a wean!!!!(Who know it's good to speculate) But the moto seams to be :- (Get the Bull breed, f**k the training ,entering and so on ,just get the dog and it will know it's job cause its a Bull cross) Come on now !!! When I asked "why are you allowing this to happen your just going to bring attention to yourselves if not more " An even younger lad stepped up and said "What you on about? I Can't wait till my dogs up so it can do it to " Now don't go down the road they don't feel pain, as all things feel pain to some extent , f**k if the antis had there way fishing would be banned!! But you get my drift.... It seams to be more and more of a status thing more than a capability thing to have the Bull blood introduced to a lurcher . Not for me , though just my opinion as most working lurchers I have seen that are good at there job have never needed this hyped up cross. Again just my opinion and general observation !!! Admittedly of youngsters mostly but were are they getting there idols from or there ideas???? Hope I'm not offending any one . atb SS ??????????? wtf, the thread is supposed to be about good grafters with bull blood, not somewhere for u to air your opinions. never a truer word said mate. the thread didnt ask for his opinion so he can keep it to himself. And as for taring all bullx owners with one brush (cause thats what he is doing) pleanty of us have bull crosses that are fully stock broken and will work around any stock without worrying them.so dont be talking shite Quote Link to post
Dunkanon 380 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Best bull x,s i ever seen run were the genuine half x,s from the mid to late ,s...never seen anything like em since...maybe because the bull side of the breeding was untainted with other blood which we see too much of today..atb stabba Simply beautiful words Stabba and 100% right! for the uk perhaps still able to find top class pure bulls if you know where to look. Plenty in UK too if u know the right people..allegedly. Quote Link to post
littletimmy 71 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 this is my bullx that is in my kennel 365 days but you can wank over him if you want ..he is 6% shrt of 3/8 5/8 bull gray ..and ithink that the lads no what graft iam on about ... My post wasn't aim directly at you But putting pictures like the first one up you must feel like you have something to prove .. be wise to take it down .. Quote Link to post
busher 145 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 fence hopper is right. it ain't all about the bull, its all about finding the balance.....an finding a dogs calling Hi, Never seen the need to introduce Bull blood to the strain of a lurcher, although there is not a true lurcher ,I like to think the Collie cross is the true ( LURCHER )ie, all rounder day and night. If you want to add such things to a lurcher you just attract attention ie, (DEVIL DOGS) As I think you would agree, this is seen more and more in every day papers.!!Again my opinion. Christ !!!!! (excuse the phrase) I was out a walk the other day (Also with a few others from the site) and saw some youngsters out with there TYSON'S and REX'S ,(bad boy dogs) and so on, there dogs were chasing cows!!! Now I understand all Bull men if not most dog men would hang there head in shame if this had to happen to them !!!!!!!! But again it seams to be a status thing for youngsters any way, if the dog looks like a machine it acts like a machine!!!! Yes true without training and proper entering as I'm sure you will agree it will be stone wall daft ,maybe bite a wean!!!!(Who know it's good to speculate) But the moto seams to be :- (Get the Bull breed, f**k the training ,entering and so on ,just get the dog and it will know it's job cause its a Bull cross) Come on now !!! When I asked "why are you allowing this to happen your just going to bring attention to yourselves if not more " An even younger lad stepped up and said "What you on about? I Can't wait till my dogs up so it can do it to " Now don't go down the road they don't feel pain, as all things feel pain to some extent , f**k if the antis had there way fishing would be banned!! But you get my drift.... It seams to be more and more of a status thing more than a capability thing to have the Bull blood introduced to a lurcher . Not for me , though just my opinion as most working lurchers I have seen that are good at there job have never needed this hyped up cross. Again just my opinion and general observation !!! Admittedly of youngsters mostly but were are they getting there idols from or there ideas???? Hope I'm not offending any one . atb SS Your first line, though stated, 'your' opinion, is IMO complete bollocks, as their is no such thing as a 'true' lurcher and collie crosses are no more 'true' than any other type! Your second line is one of 'the' most damning things I have read on this site, all crosses have their place, all crosses have their uses and that shouldn't matter if that cross is of no use to you! To use a slanderous media term in the context of 'our' hunting dogs on this site is fecking bang out of order!!!! bang on mate :clapping: Quote Link to post
Guest D.F.K Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 this is my bullx that is in my kennel 365 days but you can wank over him if you want ..he is 6% shrt of 3/8 5/8 bull gray ..and ithink that the lads no what graft iam on about ... My post wasn't aim directly at you But putting pictures like the first one up you must feel like you have something to prove .. be wise to take it down .. leys see your dog timmithy, ive heard its got abar 1 tooth left lol Quote Link to post
Paul in North Lincs 15 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 this is my bullx that is in my kennel 365 days but you can wank over him if you want ..he is 6% shrt of 3/8 5/8 bull gray ..and ithink that the lads no what graft iam on about ... My post wasn't aim directly at you But putting pictures like the first one up you must feel like you have something to prove .. be wise to take it down .. I put the first photo up.............and i've nothing to prove at all....its not even mine as stated Also I run a collie/grey on scutts only........I've no need for a bull cross for the work I do........... but I do appreciate that they have their place.............. There are advocates for all varieties, but it seems all too easy to tar everyone with the same brush. Quote Link to post
bowenl 0 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 years ago there was no bull x and the collie x dogs done the job ok but the bull puts more power to do the job easyer Quote Link to post
littletimmy 71 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 this is my bullx that is in my kennel 365 days but you can wank over him if you want ..he is 6% shrt of 3/8 5/8 bull gray ..and ithink that the lads no what graft iam on about ... My post wasn't aim directly at you But putting pictures like the first one up you must feel like you have something to prove .. be wise to take it down .. I put the first photo up.............and i've nothing to prove at all....its not even mine as stated Also I run a collie/grey on scutts only........I've no need for a bull cross for the work I do........... but I do appreciate that they have their place.............. There are advocates for all varieties, but it seems all too easy to tar everyone with the same brush. Some confusion on this post I was talking to x38 in regardeds to his first photo, which he has now changed to a lovely picture of jesus Quote Link to post
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